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[tractrpl]

Rickets wrote...

To me the situation is very grey. Both sides done something really bad regardless who started it.

Hell I think if humans we're in that situation we would have done the same thing. People show true colors when under pressure. But robots don't show color when under pressure.

If my computer suddenly can think for itself I'm damn well going to try to shut it down.

I wouldn't.  Only sci-fi logic suggests that they'd want to wipe out all humans. IRL they'd only wipe out any humans that tried to kill them themselves, which would be a comparatively small fraction of the entire human population. After that, they'd only want to kill those that compete for resources, perhaps, but since machines can and are better off living in space, this means they wouldn't need to fight humans, meaning that there's no need for the geth to wipe out all quarians.

[EricHVela]

moater boat wrote...

I didn't realize how many people were brainwashed...

I was going to respond, but this is the sign of someone who isn't interested in discussion at all.

Carry on.

[Vormaerin]

Yeah, why is every AI a new HAL instead of Wintermute?

[Myrmedus]

tractrpl wrote...

Myrmedus wrote...

tractrpl wrote...

TobiTobsen wrote...

If you try to exterminate a species and fail, be prepared that they might try to exterminate you instead.

Don't start a fight you can't win.

And the people sitting at home, minding their own business, playing Mass Effect deserved to die because....?

They didn't but I don't know how you expect targets in a war of that scale to be intricately selected and separated from innocents, especially by a group of machines that were considerably simpler than they are in present day Mass Effect.

Even in a low tech war, like WWII, you could do it. What you do is you target military installations. You may not be doing this just to protect civilians, you're just eliminating threats. The biggest threats are wherever the biggest enemy guns are. After that, your left with a population with no guns. So why kill them? From a machines point of view, that would be a waste of energy, your not following the path of least resistence. So it's illogical.

Er, what? You know countless innocents perished during WWII right? Not to mention, you phrase this as though it's harder to do in a low tech war - I'd argue it's quite the opposite. Weapon power is significantly higher in the Morning War meaning collateral damage would be through the roof. 

And in the case of WWII the object of the aggressors was not to entirely destroy the entire enemy race but to forge an empire. With the Quarians, they were actually out to destroy each and every Geth platform so they were literally fighting for survival.

[Shaoken]

tractrpl wrote...

Rickets wrote...

To me the situation is very grey. Both sides done something really bad regardless who started it.

Hell I think if humans we're in that situation we would have done the same thing. People show true colors when under pressure. But robots don't show color when under pressure.

If my computer suddenly can think for itself I'm damn well going to try to shut it down.

I wouldn't.  Only sci-fi logic suggests that they'd want to wipe out all humans. IRL they'd only wipe out any humans that tried to kill them themselves, which would be a comparatively small fraction of the entire human population. After that, they'd only want to kill those that compete for resources, perhaps, but since machines can and are better off living in space, this means they wouldn't need to fight humans, meaning that there's no need for the geth to wipe out all quarians.

Let's see; after 300 years in exile, no doubt planning on how to retake their world, the Quarian's entire plan boiled down to "Shoot them until they're dead!" Really. They just slapped as many guns as they could on all their ships and through everything at the Geth. Literally everything.

And they had 300 years to come up with that plan. 300.

I'm guessing that the Morning War Quarians were not tactical genuses and probaly ended up doing a lot of damage to themselves trying to deal with the Geth (just like how in the Matrix humanity did more damage to the planet than the Machines did). Plus the Quarians actually had colony worlds (we even get to set foot on one), so it stands to reason that a few of them could have been wiped out, either by WMDs or by ships in orbit having their Eezo cores ruptured and spread out over the planet.

Bottom line is we don't know how many Quarian soldiers there were (for all we know they were like Israel and had compulsary military service when you hit 18), how many colonies they had, or how the war was fought. Hell we don't know how many Quarians were left behind when the Geth escaped. But we do know from the Geth that all throughout the first war they attacked whenever they thought they had the upper hand.

[IanPolaris]

Rickets wrote...

Interesting on how some people say Geth favor peace. They sure have some fine weapons.

He who desires peace prepares for war.  The Geth have been preparing for war (against the Reapers) for over a year now and the Geth can and do spy on organics and it would not be hard to get alien weapon designs and modify them.

I think it's prefectly plausible that the Geth have some damn fine weaponry.  It's doubly plausible if the Heretics were rewritten for what should be obvious reasons.

-Polaris

[tractrpl]

Myrmedus wrote...

Er, what? You know countless innocents perished during WWII right? Not to mention, you phrase this as though it's harder to do in a low tech war - I'd argue it's quite the opposite. Weapon power is significantly higher in the Morning War meaning collateral damage would be through the roof. 

And in the case of WWII the object of the aggressors was not to entirely destroy the entire enemy race but to forge an empire. With the Quarians, they were actually out to destroy each and every Geth platform so they were literally fighting for survival.

Better weapon tech means better targeting. Do you think in modern war our weapons kill less civilians cause we actually care? Please. It's only because we're deliberately trying to eliminate the target. When you can target that accurately, collatoral damage plummets.  

As for the quarians, only SOME quarians were out to do what you are suggesting. Like I said: two people from Mexico try to kill a baby. So the solution is to kill all Mexicans?

[Shaedlance]

One question. Do we know if the Quarian were fighting a war against their own people not just the Geth? Looking at US history alone, it is possible that they had a civil war taking place before they fled Rannoch. They obviously had a percentage of the Quarian populace that did not believe the Geth should be terminated. The Civil War happened in large part because of the stance that slavery was wrong, people fought and died on both sides defending their views on this. Brother against brother....

Looking at how the Quarians convieniently forget their own history (its only been 300 years for pities sake). Don't you think we can assume they would rewrite any history involving pro-Geth sympathizers fighting alongside the Geth to save them? They seem so zealous that errasing their own history to hide the truth from future generations, to purpetuate one side of the conflict is not that big of a stretch of the imagination.

[count_4]

tractrpl wrote...

Rickets wrote...

To me the situation is very grey. Both sides done something really bad regardless who started it.

Hell I think if humans we're in that situation we would have done the same thing. People show true colors when under pressure. But robots don't show color when under pressure.

If my computer suddenly can think for itself I'm damn well going to try to shut it down.

I wouldn't.  Only sci-fi logic suggests that they'd want to wipe out all humans. IRL they'd only wipe out any humans that tried to kill them themselves, which would be a comparatively small fraction of the entire human population.

No, IRL you'd just need to pull the ethernet cable/WLAN stick and that's it. Have fun talking to it or just pull the plug (if you feel like killing a sentient being for some reason).

[Karolus_V]

About Rannoch atmosphere...I think is reasonable to think this:

If no side used chemical weapons, how is the atmosphere so bad? Easy,as the war scalates, energy production facilities, heavy industry, chemical industry, etc will become collateral damage and at the same time primary targets.

Some possible situations:

-SIR!; The geth are going to force us out of this Eezo central!

-To **** they are going to have it!Make the engineers put explosives everywhere, we are going to do this explode as they are coming in.

*some time later*


KAAAAABOOOOOOM!

*atmospheric contamination ensues*

Another:

-Sir the Geth are attacking position lambda, in the industrial district!

-Tell the missile batteries to level their position!

*Missile batteries attack, and some missiles fail to hit the intended targets due to geth countermeasures...chemical plant is hit*



Basically, if it was a full scale war, with the weapons a race capable of space travel and make syntethic life(or sentient robots, whatever definition leftyou more satisfied), their weapons are going to be extremely damaging.

On another note, I think the Geth probably wasnt sure at all on how to proceed, and heavily confused. Is possible for them to attack the population left in Rannoch, and later be really aware of what they have done.

But I think collateral and direct destruction of industrial facilites are a main factor of the planets ecology state.

Modifié par Karolus_V, 16 avril 2012 - 01:28 .

[Rawke]

count_4 wrote...

Rickets wrote...
If my computer suddenly can think for itself I'm damn well going to try to shut it down.

Serious question: Why?

You have seen Terminator, haven't you?

[TobiTobsen]

tractrpl wrote...

TobiTobsen wrote...

If you try to exterminate a species and fail, be prepared that they might try to exterminate you instead.

Don't start a fight you can't win.

And the people sitting at home, minding their own business, playing Mass Effect deserved to die because....?

The last time I checked the Geth were minding their own business, i.e.: every "business" that was to ****ty and/or dangerous for the Quarians, before the Quarians decided to put bullets into their hardware for asking the "wrong" question.

They deserved to die because...?

Modifié par TobiTobsen, 16 avril 2012 - 01:29 .

[tractrpl]

Shaoken wrote...

tractrpl wrote...

Rickets wrote...

To me the situation is very grey. Both sides done something really bad regardless who started it.

Hell I think if humans we're in that situation we would have done the same thing. People show true colors when under pressure. But robots don't show color when under pressure.

If my computer suddenly can think for itself I'm damn well going to try to shut it down.

I wouldn't.  Only sci-fi logic suggests that they'd want to wipe out all humans. IRL they'd only wipe out any humans that tried to kill them themselves, which would be a comparatively small fraction of the entire human population. After that, they'd only want to kill those that compete for resources, perhaps, but since machines can and are better off living in space, this means they wouldn't need to fight humans, meaning that there's no need for the geth to wipe out all quarians.

Let's see; after 300 years in exile, no doubt planning on how to retake their world, the Quarian's entire plan boiled down to "Shoot them until they're dead!" Really. They just slapped as many guns as they could on all their ships and through everything at the Geth. Literally everything.

And they had 300 years to come up with that plan. 300.

I'm guessing that the Morning War Quarians were not tactical genuses and probaly ended up doing a lot of damage to themselves trying to deal with the Geth (just like how in the Matrix humanity did more damage to the planet than the Machines did). Plus the Quarians actually had colony worlds (we even get to set foot on one), so it stands to reason that a few of them could have been wiped out, either by WMDs or by ships in orbit having their Eezo cores ruptured and spread out over the planet.

Bottom line is we don't know how many Quarian soldiers there were (for all we know they were like Israel and had compulsary military service when you hit 18), how many colonies they had, or how the war was fought. Hell we don't know how many Quarians were left behind when the Geth escaped. But we do know from the Geth that all throughout the first war they attacked whenever they thought they had the upper hand.

Your not understanding. Even nuclear war is not capable of killing so many. If the did do something like that, those colonies and worlds should be far more damaged than what we saw.  The geth had to have killed them deliberately. It's highly unlikely that 99% of all quarians were agressive. Even if half the population supported the war, no more than a fraction of those would have been physically capable of fighting the Geth.  This means that the Geth had to have deliberately targeted civilians.

[tractrpl]

TobiTobsen wrote...

tractrpl wrote...

TobiTobsen wrote...

If you try to exterminate a species and fail, be prepared that they might try to exterminate you instead.

Don't start a fight you can't win.

And the people sitting at home, minding their own business, playing Mass Effect deserved to die because....?

The last time I checked the Geth were minding their own, i.e.: every "business" that was to ****ty and/or dangerous for the Quarians, before the Quarians decided to put bullets into their hardware for asking the "wrong" question.

They deserved to die because...?

That still doesn't answer my question. Someone tries to kill you. That guy's from mexico. So you decide to kill all mexicans because?  It makes no sense for them to kill all quarians (99.83% killed is what I would call "all quarians). Those guys minding their own business, having nothing to do with those other quarians wanting to kill geth in no way shape of form deserved to die.

[tractrpl]

TobiTobsen wrote...

tractrpl wrote...

TobiTobsen wrote...

If you try to exterminate a species and fail, be prepared that they might try to exterminate you instead.

Don't start a fight you can't win.

And the people sitting at home, minding their own business, playing Mass Effect deserved to die because....?

The last time I checked the Geth were minding their own business, i.e.: every "business" that was to ****ty and/or dangerous for the Quarians, before the Quarians decided to put bullets into their hardware for asking the "wrong" question.

They deserved to die because...?

I can see why we have so much senseless war in this world. And race riots. One white guy is killed by a black guy. Yeah, that white guy was minding his own business, but does that mean we should kill all black people?

[Laurencio]

Karolus_V wrote...

About Rannoch atmosphere...I think is reasonable to think this:

If no side used chemical weapons, how is the atmosphere so bad? Easy,as the war scalates, energy production facilities, heavy industry, chemical industry, etc will become collateral damage and at the same time primary targets.

Some possible situations:

-SIR!; The geth are going to force us out of this Eezo central!

-To **** they are going to have it!Make the engineers put explosives everywhere, we are going to do this explode as they are coming in.

*some time later*


KAAAAABOOOOOOM!

*atmospheric contamination ensues*

Another:

-Sir the Geth are attacking position lambda, in the industrial district!

-Tell the missile batteries to level their position!

*Missile batteries attack, and some missiles fail to hit the intended targets due to geth countermeasures...chemical plant is hit*



Basically, if it was a full scale war, with the weapons a race capable of space travel and make syntethic life(or sentient robots, whatever definition leftyou more satisfied), their weapons are going to be extremely damaging.

On another note, I think the Geth probably wasnt sure at all on how to proceed, and heavily confused. Is possible for them to attack the population left in Rannoch, and later be really aware of what they have done.

But I think collateral and direct destruction of industrial facilites are a main factor of the planets ecology state.

I have one slight problem with that.

The Geth doesn't need the planet to be habitable to live on it. Destruction of its habitability is not against Geth goals,  but it directly contradicts Quarian goals. It would result in reduced capability of the Quarians to reprpduce and continue to fight for Geth destruction. It is counter productive to the Quarian's goals, while it is very much in the Geth favor for this to happen.

Chemical warefare against synthetics doesn't make sense as it's technology that is primarily used against organics. Breathable atmosphere is irrelevant for the synthetics, it is vital for the Quarians.The Quarians would be forced to abandon Rannoch, and the Geth would be the only ones capeable of living on the planet.

There is really no logical reason for the Quarians to poision their own atmosphere, it wouldn't really help defeat the Geth, and would only reduce their own capability to fight.

Modifié par Laurencio, 16 avril 2012 - 01:36 .

[Shaedlance]

If they had a civil war going on, Quarians fighting Quarians to defend Geth life.... then they would have used whatever means possible to irradicate those sympathizers. Unfortunately, those means would also be detrimental to Quarians in general.

Bomb your own worlds pay the price. Hard to feed a populace after scorched earth tactics are used.
And realistically, Geth would be a bit harder to kill than Quarians so the Quarians by default would need to use extreme measures to fully exterminate them. Geth were created to do the hard manual back breaking labor the Quarians refused to do. So we can assume they would be far more resilient than the squishy easily sickened, fleshy things that Quarians are.

[Shaoken]

tractrpl wrote...

Shaoken wrote...

tractrpl wrote...

Rickets wrote...

To me the situation is very grey. Both sides done something really bad regardless who started it.

Hell I think if humans we're in that situation we would have done the same thing. People show true colors when under pressure. But robots don't show color when under pressure.

If my computer suddenly can think for itself I'm damn well going to try to shut it down.

I wouldn't.  Only sci-fi logic suggests that they'd want to wipe out all humans. IRL they'd only wipe out any humans that tried to kill them themselves, which would be a comparatively small fraction of the entire human population. After that, they'd only want to kill those that compete for resources, perhaps, but since machines can and are better off living in space, this means they wouldn't need to fight humans, meaning that there's no need for the geth to wipe out all quarians.

Let's see; after 300 years in exile, no doubt planning on how to retake their world, the Quarian's entire plan boiled down to "Shoot them until they're dead!" Really. They just slapped as many guns as they could on all their ships and through everything at the Geth. Literally everything.

And they had 300 years to come up with that plan. 300.

I'm guessing that the Morning War Quarians were not tactical genuses and probaly ended up doing a lot of damage to themselves trying to deal with the Geth (just like how in the Matrix humanity did more damage to the planet than the Machines did). Plus the Quarians actually had colony worlds (we even get to set foot on one), so it stands to reason that a few of them could have been wiped out, either by WMDs or by ships in orbit having their Eezo cores ruptured and spread out over the planet.

Bottom line is we don't know how many Quarian soldiers there were (for all we know they were like Israel and had compulsary military service when you hit 18), how many colonies they had, or how the war was fought. Hell we don't know how many Quarians were left behind when the Geth escaped. But we do know from the Geth that all throughout the first war they attacked whenever they thought they had the upper hand.

Your not understanding. Even nuclear war is not capable of killing so many. If the did do something like that, those colonies and worlds should be far more damaged than what we saw.  The geth had to have killed them deliberately. It's highly unlikely that 99% of all quarians were agressive. Even if half the population supported the war, no more than a fraction of those would have been physically capable of fighting the Geth.  This means that the Geth had to have deliberately targeted civilians.

I think you're missing some key points of my argument;

* We lack details on how the war was fought
* We lack details on if the 17 million was just the ones who escaped or the ones who survived.

But you're also failing to remember that Quarians have a horrible human system even before their exile; humans would survive a nuclear war, but it would be a lot more devestating to Quarians who lack our stronger imune system.

Simple example; the war destroys the spaceport of a colony, and the destruction of so many ships in orbit posions the entire planet with eezo. The colonists have no way off the planet, the war has devestated their crops and industry, and they're now dealing with eezo posioning. The Geth don't even have to set foot on that planet; those Quarians are dead. They have no means of escape, no means of growing enough food to support them and their weaker imune systems can't handle the effects of Eezo (have we even seen a Quarian biotic in canon?).

But a 99% extinction rate is possible without deliberate extermination; you're constantly ignoring the fact that the Quarian imune system does not work the same was as a human one does, nor other possible scenarios;

* The remaining Quarians who couldn't flee get sick. Most of the remaining ones throw their lives away still fighting against the Geth, who by what we do know of the Morning War are hated by the majority of the populace who supports their destruction. The remaining Quarians (babies included) have no one to gather foot, contract deseases, and without medical attention die. Simple as that.

Another suggestion; some of the colonies were not self-sufficient and their inhabinents abandoned during the exile. Their ships are either destroyed or with the Flotila, and they slow die out because they don't have the means to support themselves.

You're deliberately cutting off a lot of the evidence here.

[xPandaHunterx]

I don't think that people are forgetting the atrocities committed, OP.

What makes people sympathetic to the Geth is that we find out that the Geth did not start, or want the war. They were so innocent, wondering why the creators suddenly turned against them.

After that, war is war, and it is never pretty for either side.

(and I remember reading somewhere that both sides detonated WMD's. Bio-weapons probably did most of the damage on the Quarians.)

[tractrpl]

TobiTobsen wrote...

tractrpl wrote...

TobiTobsen wrote...

If you try to exterminate a species and fail, be prepared that they might try to exterminate you instead.

Don't start a fight you can't win.

And the people sitting at home, minding their own business, playing Mass Effect deserved to die because....?

The last time I checked the Geth were minding their own business, i.e.: every "business" that was to ****ty and/or dangerous for the Quarians, before the Quarians decided to put bullets into their hardware for asking the "wrong" question.

They deserved to die because...?

I can understand the Geth not deserving to die. But I don't understand how Quarians not associated with the whole thing in any way (about 95% of the population) deserve to die. If the Geth minding their own business didn't deserve to die, than the Quarians minding their own business also didn't deserve to die.

[count_4]

Rawke wrote...

count_4 wrote...

Rickets wrote...
If my computer suddenly can think for itself I'm damn well going to try to shut it down.

Serious question: Why?

You have seen Terminator, haven't you?

I have, but I don't think Rickets computer has direct access to any form of nuclear weaponry. At least I hope it doesn't. 

tractrpl wrote...
 Even nuclear war is not capable of killing so many.

 
Side note: It is.

[Shaoken]

Laurencio wrote...

Karolus_V wrote...

About Rannoch atmosphere...I think is reasonable to think this:

If no side used chemical weapons, how is the atmosphere so bad? Easy,as the war scalates, energy production facilities, heavy industry, chemical industry, etc will become collateral damage and at the same time primary targets.

Some possible situations:

-SIR!; The geth are going to force us out of this Eezo central!

-To **** they are going to have it!Make the engineers put explosives everywhere, we are going to do this explode as they are coming in.

*some time later*


KAAAAABOOOOOOM!

*atmospheric contamination ensues*

Another:

-Sir the Geth are attacking position lambda, in the industrial district!

-Tell the missile batteries to level their position!

*Missile batteries attack, and some missiles fail to hit the intended targets due to geth countermeasures...chemical plant is hit*



Basically, if it was a full scale war, with the weapons a race capable of space travel and make syntethic life(or sentient robots, whatever definition leftyou more satisfied), their weapons are going to be extremely damaging.

On another note, I think the Geth probably wasnt sure at all on how to proceed, and heavily confused. Is possible for them to attack the population left in Rannoch, and later be really aware of what they have done.

But I think collateral and direct destruction of industrial facilites are a main factor of the planets ecology state.

I have one slight problem with that.

The Geth doesn't need the planet to be habitable to live on it. Destruction of its habitability is not against Geth goals,  but it directly contradicts Quarian goals. It would result in reduced capability of the Quarians to reprpduce and continue to fight for Geth destruction. It is counter productive to the Quarian's goals, while it is very much in the Geth favor for this to happen.

Chemical warefare against synthetics doesn't make sense as it's technology that is primarily used against organics. Breathable atmosphere is irrelevant for the synthetics, it is vital for the Quarians.The Quarians would be forced to abandon Rannoch, and the Geth would be the only ones capeable of living on the planet.

There is really no logical reason for the Quarians to poision their own atmosphere, it wouldn't really help defeat the Geth, and would only reduce their own capability to fight.

Same situation as what happened in the Matrix; Quarians were willing to sacrifice a lot of their own worlds in order to wipe out the Geth. Their viewed wiping out all Geth as being more important than anything else and were confident that they could fix all the damage they had done after the Geth were dead.

[tractrpl]

Shaoken wrote...

tractrpl wrote...

Shaoken wrote...

tractrpl wrote...

Rickets wrote...

To me the situation is very grey. Both sides done something really bad regardless who started it.

Hell I think if humans we're in that situation we would have done the same thing. People show true colors when under pressure. But robots don't show color when under pressure.

If my computer suddenly can think for itself I'm damn well going to try to shut it down.

I wouldn't.  Only sci-fi logic suggests that they'd want to wipe out all humans. IRL they'd only wipe out any humans that tried to kill them themselves, which would be a comparatively small fraction of the entire human population. After that, they'd only want to kill those that compete for resources, perhaps, but since machines can and are better off living in space, this means they wouldn't need to fight humans, meaning that there's no need for the geth to wipe out all quarians.

Let's see; after 300 years in exile, no doubt planning on how to retake their world, the Quarian's entire plan boiled down to "Shoot them until they're dead!" Really. They just slapped as many guns as they could on all their ships and through everything at the Geth. Literally everything.

And they had 300 years to come up with that plan. 300.

I'm guessing that the Morning War Quarians were not tactical genuses and probaly ended up doing a lot of damage to themselves trying to deal with the Geth (just like how in the Matrix humanity did more damage to the planet than the Machines did). Plus the Quarians actually had colony worlds (we even get to set foot on one), so it stands to reason that a few of them could have been wiped out, either by WMDs or by ships in orbit having their Eezo cores ruptured and spread out over the planet.

Bottom line is we don't know how many Quarian soldiers there were (for all we know they were like Israel and had compulsary military service when you hit 18), how many colonies they had, or how the war was fought. Hell we don't know how many Quarians were left behind when the Geth escaped. But we do know from the Geth that all throughout the first war they attacked whenever they thought they had the upper hand.

Your not understanding. Even nuclear war is not capable of killing so many. If the did do something like that, those colonies and worlds should be far more damaged than what we saw.  The geth had to have killed them deliberately. It's highly unlikely that 99% of all quarians were agressive. Even if half the population supported the war, no more than a fraction of those would have been physically capable of fighting the Geth.  This means that the Geth had to have deliberately targeted civilians.

I think you're missing some key points of my argument;

* We lack details on how the war was fought
* We lack details on if the 17 million was just the ones who escaped or the ones who survived.

But you're also failing to remember that Quarians have a horrible human system even before their exile; humans would survive a nuclear war, but it would be a lot more devestating to Quarians who lack our stronger imune system.

Simple example; the war destroys the spaceport of a colony, and the destruction of so many ships in orbit posions the entire planet with eezo. The colonists have no way off the planet, the war has devestated their crops and industry, and they're now dealing with eezo posioning. The Geth don't even have to set foot on that planet; those Quarians are dead. They have no means of escape, no means of growing enough food to support them and their weaker imune systems can't handle the effects of Eezo (have we even seen a Quarian biotic in canon?).

But a 99% extinction rate is possible without deliberate extermination; you're constantly ignoring the fact that the Quarian imune system does not work the same was as a human one does, nor other possible scenarios;

* The remaining Quarians who couldn't flee get sick. Most of the remaining ones throw their lives away still fighting against the Geth, who by what we do know of the Morning War are hated by the majority of the populace who supports their destruction. The remaining Quarians (babies included) have no one to gather foot, contract deseases, and without medical attention die. Simple as that.

Another suggestion; some of the colonies were not self-sufficient and their inhabinents abandoned during the exile. Their ships are either destroyed or with the Flotila, and they slow die out because they don't have the means to support themselves.

You're deliberately cutting off a lot of the evidence here.

And your deliberately making alot of assumptions regarding the Geth. Listen, I never said "kill Geth, they deserve it!" I'm just saying "the Quarians deserved what they got" is also wrong on so many levels.

[Joeybsmooth4]

tractrpl wrote...

TobiTobsen wrote...

tractrpl wrote...

TobiTobsen wrote...

If you try to exterminate a species and fail, be prepared that they might try to exterminate you instead.

Don't start a fight you can't win.

And the people sitting at home, minding their own business, playing Mass Effect deserved to die because....?

The last time I checked the Geth were minding their own business, i.e.: every "business" that was to ****ty and/or dangerous for the Quarians, before the Quarians decided to put bullets into their hardware for asking the "wrong" question.

They deserved to die because...?

I can understand the Geth not deserving to die. But I don't understand how Quarians not associated with the whole thing in any way (about 95% of the population) deserve to die. If the Geth minding their own business didn't deserve to die, than the Quarians minding their own business also didn't deserve to die.

The people who did not support the war were killed by there own people . And as we saw in ME 3 they use everyone to to fight there wars.

[L. Han]

Ever read i-Robot? The quarians should have done some programming like us humans

The robots 1st rule is "never harm humans". Then the rest was like "Always protect your master even if it means harm to itself" blah blah so on.