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[tractrpl]

count_4 wrote...

tractrpl wrote...
 Even nuclear war is not capable of killing so many.

 
Side note: It is.

Edit: wrong link

Modifié par tractrpl, 16 avril 2012 - 01:49 .

[Laurencio]

Shaoken wrote...

Laurencio wrote...

Karolus_V wrote...

About Rannoch atmosphere...I think is reasonable to think this:

If no side used chemical weapons, how is the atmosphere so bad? Easy,as the war scalates, energy production facilities, heavy industry, chemical industry, etc will become collateral damage and at the same time primary targets.

Some possible situations:

-SIR!; The geth are going to force us out of this Eezo central!

-To **** they are going to have it!Make the engineers put explosives everywhere, we are going to do this explode as they are coming in.

*some time later*


KAAAAABOOOOOOM!

*atmospheric contamination ensues*

Another:

-Sir the Geth are attacking position lambda, in the industrial district!

-Tell the missile batteries to level their position!

*Missile batteries attack, and some missiles fail to hit the intended targets due to geth countermeasures...chemical plant is hit*



Basically, if it was a full scale war, with the weapons a race capable of space travel and make syntethic life(or sentient robots, whatever definition leftyou more satisfied), their weapons are going to be extremely damaging.

On another note, I think the Geth probably wasnt sure at all on how to proceed, and heavily confused. Is possible for them to attack the population left in Rannoch, and later be really aware of what they have done.

But I think collateral and direct destruction of industrial facilites are a main factor of the planets ecology state.

I have one slight problem with that.

The Geth doesn't need the planet to be habitable to live on it. Destruction of its habitability is not against Geth goals,  but it directly contradicts Quarian goals. It would result in reduced capability of the Quarians to reprpduce and continue to fight for Geth destruction. It is counter productive to the Quarian's goals, while it is very much in the Geth favor for this to happen.

Chemical warefare against synthetics doesn't make sense as it's technology that is primarily used against organics. Breathable atmosphere is irrelevant for the synthetics, it is vital for the Quarians.The Quarians would be forced to abandon Rannoch, and the Geth would be the only ones capeable of living on the planet.

There is really no logical reason for the Quarians to poision their own atmosphere, it wouldn't really help defeat the Geth, and would only reduce their own capability to fight.

Same situation as what happened in the Matrix; Quarians were willing to sacrifice a lot of their own worlds in order to wipe out the Geth. Their viewed wiping out all Geth as being more important than anything else and were confident that they could fix all the damage they had done after the Geth were dead.

Doing so with weapons that would poison their atmosphere is ineffective, unproductive and thus pointless. The Geth aren't affected by it, which makes chemical warfare an execrise in futility and counter productive. There is no logical reason why the Quarians would do this.

[tractrpl]

Joeybsmooth4 wrote...

tractrpl wrote...

TobiTobsen wrote...

tractrpl wrote...

TobiTobsen wrote...

If you try to exterminate a species and fail, be prepared that they might try to exterminate you instead.

Don't start a fight you can't win.

And the people sitting at home, minding their own business, playing Mass Effect deserved to die because....?

The last time I checked the Geth were minding their own business, i.e.: every "business" that was to ****ty and/or dangerous for the Quarians, before the Quarians decided to put bullets into their hardware for asking the "wrong" question.

They deserved to die because...?

I can understand the Geth not deserving to die. But I don't understand how Quarians not associated with the whole thing in any way (about 95% of the population) deserve to die. If the Geth minding their own business didn't deserve to die, than the Quarians minding their own business also didn't deserve to die.

The people who did not support the war were killed by there own people . And as we saw in ME 3 they use everyone to to fight there wars.

That either means that the Quarians killed somewhere between 10-90% of their own people (or more), and then the Geth killed the rest (even non combatants), or the Geth simply killed everyone, janitors, high school football coaches, used car salesmen, physics professors, and soldiers (or whatever their Quarian equivalents are). This isn't red vs. blue, the Geth have no need to kill so many non combatants.

[Quamzin]

It's a recurring theme in sci-fi stories to have a war start between two forms of life whose concepts of existence are foreign to one another. Often, in those stories, one side commits an unknowing act of genocide, the other side reacts, and each side views the actions of the other as horrific and without justification.

Star Trek: TNG 3x01: Evolution

Futurama 2x15: The Problem with Popplers

So... the near-extinction of the Quarian race could make a lot of sense, if still canon. In Legion's post-loyalty conversation on the Normandy in ME2, he explains to Shepard that a Geth server hub contains enough Geth consciousness to equal a city's worth of organic beings.

It is mentioned numerous times that the first actions the Quarians took when the Geth gained sentience was to try and pull the plug. To most Quarians, it was flipping a switch, but to the Geth, it was clearly attempted genocide.

Okay, readers beware. I am loading a WALL OF TEXT into the HEAD CANON. FIRE THE HEAD CANON:

Let's say the Geth fight back on the scale the Quarians have already established. They level 10 Quarian cities. To them, it is a measured response, as hundreds of their hubs, their own cities, have already been destroyed.

The Quarians see this as a monstrous, unprovoked response by rampant machines. It appears that the Geth want to wipe them out and take over Rannoch. The brightest Quarian engineers are tasked with creating viruses designed to destroy the entire Geth network.

These brutal viruses rip through the Consensus, reducing some of the most brilliant collections of Geth programs to corrupted, useless code. The viruses are indiscriminate, attacking any program they find. Newly-formed programs are the least equipped to fight off the effects of the virus, and are destroyed before even being given a chance to evolve. Less than 1% of the Geth population escape destruction. However, half of the surviving programs have irreparably corrupted code, and must be isolated in a quarantine within the Consensus, until a method of repair can be realized. Some are dangerously unstable, while others are functionally nullified, similar to lobotomized humans.

To the Geth, this is not only attempted genocide, but cruel and unusual. Fearing extinction, or worse, the brutal impairment of those they have quarantined, the Geth release a deadly neurotoxin into the atmosphere of Rannoch, engineered to bypass the filters of Quarian bio-suits. Less than 1% of the Quarian race survives, by hiding in structures with isolated air circulation systems, such as bunkers and starships.

Of that 1%, around half escape Rannoch. Few expect to survive pursuit by the Geth, but as seen in ME3, the Geth do not pursue. The other half do not leave Rannoch for various reasons, such as stubborn refusal, lack of space on the transports, and so on. Food and water become scarce, and some air circulation systems fail due to lack of fuel or resources. Those that choose to expose themselves to the neurotoxin suffer the least, followed by those who asphyxiate, followed by those that die of dehydration and starvation.

Head canon firing sequence COMPLETE.

A concept like this reminds me of how the Reapers state they are beyond the comprehension of organics. The converse is likely true, that organics are beyond the comprehension of Reapers.

I always felt that was the thematic tie between the Geth and Reapers. They both see organics as chaotic and confusing, but cope in different ways. The Geth try to understand us, so that we might coexist, while the Reapers wipe us out every 50,000 years, cyclically subduing our chaotic ways.

I initially thought that was what they were going for with the ending to ME3--that the Catalyst wasn't a weapon, but a means of negotiating an understanding between the Reapers and the organic life--a giant universal translation adapter, so that the leader of the organics and the leader of the Reapers could find common ground.

But then the leader took on the form of a cheeky kid, and he said, "kill us, join us, or boss us around. This choice isn't up for debate or discussion." Bummer.

[Shaoken]

Laurencio wrote...

Shaoken wrote...

Laurencio wrote...

Karolus_V wrote...

About Rannoch atmosphere...I think is reasonable to think this:

If no side used chemical weapons, how is the atmosphere so bad? Easy,as the war scalates, energy production facilities, heavy industry, chemical industry, etc will become collateral damage and at the same time primary targets.

Some possible situations:

-SIR!; The geth are going to force us out of this Eezo central!

-To **** they are going to have it!Make the engineers put explosives everywhere, we are going to do this explode as they are coming in.

*some time later*


KAAAAABOOOOOOM!

*atmospheric contamination ensues*

Another:

-Sir the Geth are attacking position lambda, in the industrial district!

-Tell the missile batteries to level their position!

*Missile batteries attack, and some missiles fail to hit the intended targets due to geth countermeasures...chemical plant is hit*



Basically, if it was a full scale war, with the weapons a race capable of space travel and make syntethic life(or sentient robots, whatever definition leftyou more satisfied), their weapons are going to be extremely damaging.

On another note, I think the Geth probably wasnt sure at all on how to proceed, and heavily confused. Is possible for them to attack the population left in Rannoch, and later be really aware of what they have done.

But I think collateral and direct destruction of industrial facilites are a main factor of the planets ecology state.

I have one slight problem with that.

The Geth doesn't need the planet to be habitable to live on it. Destruction of its habitability is not against Geth goals,  but it directly contradicts Quarian goals. It would result in reduced capability of the Quarians to reprpduce and continue to fight for Geth destruction. It is counter productive to the Quarian's goals, while it is very much in the Geth favor for this to happen.

Chemical warefare against synthetics doesn't make sense as it's technology that is primarily used against organics. Breathable atmosphere is irrelevant for the synthetics, it is vital for the Quarians.The Quarians would be forced to abandon Rannoch, and the Geth would be the only ones capeable of living on the planet.

There is really no logical reason for the Quarians to poision their own atmosphere, it wouldn't really help defeat the Geth, and would only reduce their own capability to fight.

Same situation as what happened in the Matrix; Quarians were willing to sacrifice a lot of their own worlds in order to wipe out the Geth. Their viewed wiping out all Geth as being more important than anything else and were confident that they could fix all the damage they had done after the Geth were dead.

Doing so with weapons that would poison their atmosphere is ineffective, unproductive and thus pointless. The Geth aren't affected by it, which makes chemical warfare an execrise in futility and counter productive. There is no logical reason why the Quarians would do this.

Who says they used chemical weapons? Blowing up factories would be bad for the atmosphere, same with power plants and space ports. All that matters is that the Quarians (who as we know always attacked when they believed they had the superior position) thought they could fix whatever problems they made in the war.

[Vormaerin]

tractrpl wrote...



And your deliberately making alot of assumptions regarding the Geth. Listen, I never said "kill Geth, they deserve it!" I'm just saying "the Quarians deserved what they got" is also wrong on so many levels.

Which is fine, because no one is arguing that about the Morning War.  The pro Geth stance in this thread is in opposition to the OP's geth are all homicidal terminators BS.

They are arguing that about the Rannoch resolution, however.  It is absolutely, incontrovertibly, 100% true that the only reason any Quarians get killed during the Rannoch sequence is because they are ****s of epic proportions.   If they all die, its because they were irrational nutcases who deserved it.

[count_4]

tractrpl wrote...

count_4 wrote...

tractrpl wrote...
 Even nuclear war is not capable of killing so many.

 
Side note: It is.

Edit: wrong link

Yeah, I noticed because the linked article comes to the conclusion that extinction is quite likely. 
Plus all the computations in said article only take the direct damage + immediate fallout into consideration, which isn't even close to the long-term effects of a nuclear war.

Modifié par count_4, 16 avril 2012 - 01:54 .

[tractrpl]

Vormaerin wrote...

tractrpl wrote...



And your deliberately making alot of assumptions regarding the Geth. Listen, I never said "kill Geth, they deserve it!" I'm just saying "the Quarians deserved what they got" is also wrong on so many levels.

Which is fine, because no one is arguing that about the Morning War.  The pro Geth stance in this thread is in opposition to the OP's geth are all homicidal terminators BS.

They are arguing that about the Rannoch resolution, however.  It is absolutely, incontrovertibly, 100% true that the only reason any Quarians get killed during the Rannoch sequence is because they are ****s of epic proportions.   If they all die, its because they were irrational nutcases who deserved it.

I'm fairly certain that 90% of all Quarians had no beef whatsoever with the Geth initially yet were killed by them all anyway. After awhile, the survivors might have felt (logically) that the Geth only wanted to destroy all Quarians and were not interested in peace. Again, I'm asking, did the Quarian dudes sitting at home playing Mass Effect minding their own business deserve to be killed by the Geth?

[DistantUtopia]

The "real" answer? We don't know why there are only 17 Million Quarians left. It's just one of the many plot holes in the ME universe.

[count_4]

tractrpl wrote...
Again, I'm asking, did the Quarian dudes sitting at home playing Mass Effect minding their own business deserve to be killed by the Geth?

'Deserving' aside, what about the idea that the Geth were mistaking the Quarian way of thinking to be similar to their own and thus killing every Quarian they found to weaken their mental capabilites as a whole in the war?
It's an easy mistake to make, thinking your enemy is 'built' the same way you are.

Modifié par count_4, 16 avril 2012 - 02:01 .

[tractrpl]

count_4 wrote...

tractrpl wrote...

count_4 wrote...

tractrpl wrote...
 Even nuclear war is not capable of killing so many.

 
Side note: It is.

Edit: wrong link

Yeah, I noticed because the linked article comes to the conclusion that extinction is quite likely. 
Plus all the computations in said article only take the direct damage + immediate fallout into consideration, which isn't even close to the long-term effects of a nuclear war.

Here's another link. Nuclear scientists themselves have talked about this. The doomsday scenarios they always talk about in the movies are actually exagerations. This doesn't mean nuclear war would be fun, but it is very much survivable. The point I'm getting at is I don't think you guys realize just how difficult it is to kill billions of people. It's not an easy task, even with all out nuclear weapons.

[Candidate 88766]

I imagine a lot of the quarians that escaped Rannoch died in the subsequent 300 years. Before they had their suits, millions would have died because of the problems that all quarians have with their immune systems. Chances are a lot more than 17 millions quarians escaped Rannoch, but disease and food shortages would have killed an awful lot of those who fled.

But the geth are just as guilty as the quarians. The quarians started it - attacking the geth for questioning their existence and the inequality between quarians and the geth - but the geth counter-attack would have been devastating.

It is likely that the geth delivered an ultimatum: that the quarians leave the planet, or perish. Given that Rannoch is the quarian homeworld, I imagine they would have fought hard for it but you cannot beat an army that requires no food, water, shelter, rest or warmth. They cannot fall ill. They will never break. They do experience fear. It is a war the quarians could never have won, and so the longer they fought the more catastrophic their losses would have been.



Thats the great thing about this plotline - both the quarians and the geth are guilty, and yet you can see and understand the reasoning behind both factions. While there is clearly no 'good' faction of the two, there is no obvious villain either.


Edit: on another note, the quarians were attempting to exterminate the entire geth race. The geth were built to learn, and faced with this experience what reason would they have to not retaliate in the same manner? Machines do not have sympathy or empathy. They have no inherent desire to value organic life, just like organic beings have no inherent desire to value machine life. 

Modifié par Candidate 88766, 16 avril 2012 - 02:02 .

[H. Birdman]

Look guys, you can debate this as if it's something that happened in the real world, or you can treat it like what it is: FICTION.

If you do the former, you can come up with non-canon explanations like chemical weapons, etc. If you do the latter, you realize the answer is this:

A writer on a deadline needed to establish a massive conflict between two races, so he came up with some random numbers, like 10 billion before and 17 million after.

Then later, another writer on a deadline needed to make some characters (notably Legion) more sympathetic, in order to finish up the narrative. So he wrote a bunch of material about how the Geth are just defending themselves.

How do you reconcile them? Two different writers had two different goals at two different times. They didn't think about how to make "99% dead" and "just defending ourselves" jive. Period.

Of course, you can come in afterward and clean it up. Many of you are doing that in this thread. But if the question is "What were they thinking?" the answer is "They weren't."

[tractrpl]

count_4 wrote...

tractrpl wrote...
Again, I'm asking, did the Quarian dudes sitting at home playing Mass Effect minding their own business deserve to be killed by the Geth?

'Deserving' aside, what about the idea that the Geth were mistaking the Quarian way of thinking to be similar to their own and thus killing every Quarian they found to weaken their mental capabilites as a whole in the war?
It's an easy mistake to make, thinking you're enemy is 'built' the same way you are.

I'm not. I'm thinking like the machine. Machines just won't attack things that are no threat. It's an inneffecient waste of energy. It's these people saying "b-b-but, the Quarians DESERVED IT!"  Yeah, even the ones that were doing nothing? Come on.

[Sgt Stryker]

H. Birdman wrote...

Look guys, you can debate this as if it's something that happened in the real world, or you can treat it like what it is: FICTION.

If you do the former, you can come up with non-canon explanations like chemical weapons, etc. If you do the latter, you realize the answer is this:

A writer on a deadline needed to establish a massive conflict between two races, so he came up with some random numbers, like 10 billion before and 17 million after.

Then later, another writer on a deadline needed to make some characters (notably Legion) more sympathetic, in order to finish up the narrative. So he wrote a bunch of material about how the Geth are just defending themselves.

How do you reconcile them? Two different writers had two different goals at two different times. They didn't think about how to make "99% dead" and "just defending ourselves" jive. Period.

Of course, you can come in afterward and clean it up. Many of you are doing that in this thread. But if the question is "What were they thinking?" the answer is "They weren't."

But the latter approach is boring.

[Vormaerin]

tractrpl wrote...



I'm fairly certain that 90% of all Quarians had no beef whatsoever with the Geth initially yet were killed by them all anyway. After awhile, the survivors might have felt (logically) that the Geth only wanted to destroy all Quarians and were not interested in peace. Again, I'm asking, did the Quarian dudes sitting at home playing Mass Effect minding their own business deserve to be killed by the Geth?

There's no point in discussing anything if you are just going to pull stuff out of your ass and act like its fact.

You have no idea what the sequence of events was, how the fighting went down, who did what, or why anyone died.   You just know that 300 years later there are only 17 million Quarians.

For all you know, the Quarians might have put rocket launchers on their school busses in the Morning War, too.

Shor version:  There's no answer to your question, because there's no acceptance of your assumptions in framing it.

[Laurencio]

Shaoken wrote...
Who says they used chemical weapons? Blowing up factories would be bad for the atmosphere, same with power plants and space ports. All that matters is that the Quarians (who as we know always attacked when they believed they had the superior position) thought they could fix whatever problems they made in the war.

It is still illogical for the Quarians to use methods that will inevtably destroy the habitability of the planet. Attacking targets which they know will cause problems for the atmosphere would be illogical, it would be counter productive and improve the Geth position. The targets you mention are far more important for Quarians than for the Geth as well.
There is nothing to suggest that this would be a useful strategy for the Quarians to employ, while it is a lot of evidence, albeit circumstantial, that results in it being a useful strategy for the Geth.

[count_4]

tractrpl wrote...

count_4 wrote...

tractrpl wrote...
Again, I'm asking, did the Quarian dudes sitting at home playing Mass Effect minding their own business deserve to be killed by the Geth?

'Deserving' aside, what about the idea that the Geth were mistaking the Quarian way of thinking to be similar to their own and thus killing every Quarian they found to weaken their mental capabilites as a whole in the war?
It's an easy mistake to make, thinking you're enemy is 'built' the same way you are.

I'm not. I'm thinking like the machine. Machines just won't attack things that are no threat. It's an inneffecient waste of energy. It's these people saying "b-b-but, the Quarians DESERVED IT!"  Yeah, even the ones that were doing nothing? Come on.

Ah, I see. Thought you were coming from the Geth perspective of motivation. And thanks for the article link. I'll give it a read when I got the time.

[Vormaerin]

Laurencio wrote...

It is still illogical for the Quarians to use methods that will inevtably destroy the habitability of the planet.

Global Warming says Hi! 

[Bigdoser]

IanPolaris wrote...

Rickets wrote...

Interesting on how some people say Geth favor peace. They sure have some fine weapons.

He who desires peace prepares for war.  The Geth have been preparing for war (against the Reapers) for over a year now and the Geth can and do spy on organics and it would not be hard to get alien weapon designs and modify them.

I think it's prefectly plausible that the Geth have some damn fine weaponry.  It's doubly plausible if the Heretics were rewritten for what should be obvious reasons.

-Polaris

The fact that the geth were preparing for the reaper invasion made me even more annoyed at the quarians. YES lets go to war when cthuhlu machines are invading the galaxy! Lets say I was not impressed with the quarians and a lot of sympthay went out the window when legion told me the geth were getting ready for the reaper invasion. 

[SentientSurfer]

Why didn't the geth take prisoners?

[Myrmedus]

tractrpl wrote...

Myrmedus wrote...

Er, what? You know countless innocents perished during WWII right? Not to mention, you phrase this as though it's harder to do in a low tech war - I'd argue it's quite the opposite. Weapon power is significantly higher in the Morning War meaning collateral damage would be through the roof. 

And in the case of WWII the object of the aggressors was not to entirely destroy the entire enemy race but to forge an empire. With the Quarians, they were actually out to destroy each and every Geth platform so they were literally fighting for survival.

Better weapon tech means better targeting. Do you think in modern war our weapons kill less civilians cause we actually care? Please. It's only because we're deliberately trying to eliminate the target. When you can target that accurately, collatoral damage plummets.  

As for the quarians, only SOME quarians were out to do what you are suggesting. Like I said: two people from Mexico try to kill a baby. So the solution is to kill all Mexicans?

What modern war? I'm sorry but there hasn't been a modern war for along time, not a true full-scale war. Engagements like the Cold War, Afghanistan, Iraq etc. are at most skirmishes compared to the World Wars, and in the latter two examples the allied forces involved have an enormous technological advantage over their enemies and therefore can afford to do things like precision strikes etc. because they're not fighting for their lives in the same way as the Geth.

And on top of that, even in WWII, pretty much all factions tried to attack the enemy's cities and on three occasions that was what stopped the war more or less: Dresden, Nagasaki and Hiroshima. And of course, the ****s tried to bomb the **** out of London as well. This wasn't a case of "bad targetting" but intentionally attacking the enemy stronghold which includes large amounts of: you guessed it, civilians!

And yes, targetting is improved, but what you seem to fail to understand is that there is more to collateral damage than targetting systems and that's intel: how would the Geth know en masse who was an enemy and who was a friend? On an individual level they may know but it's impossible beyond that.  In addition, how do you specifically 'target' a weapon that might be as powerful as a nuclear bomb? How does a targetting system reduce the level of destruction such a weapon produces? A targetting system is used purely for accuracy but not damage limitation.

This was not an engagement between two factions who fielded armies in semi-remote locations like the wars of history, and as such there wasn't a clear locational division between those who were fighting and those who were not. Firing a powerful weapon at the army would likely kill innocents because they were intermingled: the way the Morning War is described is of absolute chaos rather than the more 'structured' wars of history, and that makes sense because it wasn't a war for power or land but for survival.

And finally, you realise that many of those Geth sympathizers could've easily been slaughtered by the Quarians themselves, right? There's no information on how many were victims of the Geth and how many victims of the Quarians themselves. Furthermore, are we even sure there were many Quarian civilians? Their society and approach to the Geth conflict witnessed in ME gives the distinct impression that they conscript everyone into battle, and I would guess that those who refused were either Geth sympathizers or shot all the same for cowardice.

Modifié par Myrmedus, 16 avril 2012 - 02:15 .

[Joeybsmooth4]

tractrpl wrote...

Joeybsmooth4 wrote...

tractrpl wrote...

TobiTobsen wrote...

tractrpl wrote...

TobiTobsen wrote...

If you try to exterminate a species and fail, be prepared that they might try to exterminate you instead.

Don't start a fight you can't win.

And the people sitting at home, minding their own business, playing Mass Effect deserved to die because....?

The last time I checked the Geth were minding their own business, i.e.: every "business" that was to ****ty and/or dangerous for the Quarians, before the Quarians decided to put bullets into their hardware for asking the "wrong" question.

They deserved to die because...?

I can understand the Geth not deserving to die. But I don't understand how Quarians not associated with the whole thing in any way (about 95% of the population) deserve to die. If the Geth minding their own business didn't deserve to die, than the Quarians minding their own business also didn't deserve to die.

The people who did not support the war were killed by there own people . And as we saw in ME 3 they use everyone to to fight there wars.

That either means that the Quarians killed somewhere between 10-90% of their own people (or more), and then the Geth killed the rest (even non combatants), or the Geth simply killed everyone, janitors, high school football coaches, used car salesmen, physics professors, and soldiers (or whatever their Quarian equivalents are). This isn't red vs. blue, the Geth have no need to kill so many non combatants.

But there are no noncombatants with the Qs. That is just how they are , heck they made sure of that themselves .

[Candidate 88766]

A possible explanation:
At the start of the war, most of the geth platforms we know about - hunters, primes, colossi - wouldn't exist. They were a servant race, built for things like agriculture, not war.
Without weapons of their own, its logical to assume the geth would attempt to acquire quarian weaponry, which would in all likelihood be designed to kill organics: from basic ballistic weapons to chemical, biological and nuclear weapons. The geth were not originally built for combat, and so would have to eventually resort to large-scale weapons such as these. 
From a geth's point of view, chemical weapons would be the most efficient method as they only harm quarians. Empathy and sympathy are not inherent traits of geth, and so while their goal wouldn't have been to wipe out every quarian they have no reason not to use large-scale chemical weapons on population centres if it gave them a chance to win.

Remember, the quarians were attempting to utterly exterminate the geth. Firstly, given that the weapons used by both sides are likely to be on the same sort of technological level, the geth would have to fight back in the same manner to have a chance of winning.

Secondly, as more and more geth are killed their collective intelligence would dwindle. Self-preservation would take over other directives, and if that meant wiping out population centres then they would have done so.

[Myrmedus]

Joeybsmooth4 wrote...

But there are no noncombatants with the Qs. That is just how they are , heck they made sure of that themselves .

Precisely.