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[Laurencio]

The initial reaction to the Geth's self awareness was pretty reasonable to be fair. It's not until after the Quarians realise the true extent for their "mistake" that they really start acting beyond reason.

If your mechanical building droid suddenly starts to do things outside its parameters. It's fairly reasonable for the mechanic to think this is an error in the programing and something that needs to be fixed.

[ImperatorMortis]

Laurencio wrote...

The initial reaction to the Geth's self awareness was pretty reasonable to be fair. It's not until after the Quarians realise the true extent for their "mistake" that they really start acting beyond reason.

If your mechanical building droid suddenly starts to do things outside its parameters. It's fairly reasonable for the mechanic to think this is an error in the programing and something that needs to be fixed.

This. You can be your ass if humans found out one of the robots they made(out of potentially thousands of units) suddenly decided to become "sentient", you can bet your ass they'd want to shut them down. Of course there would be stubborn idiots trying to defend the rights of a toy, but who cares.. There are idiots everywhere. 

Modifié par ImperatorMortis, 16 avril 2012 - 04:20 .

[Serp86]

ImperatorMortis wrote...

Geth are just dumb machines to me, the equivalent of a toaster. I only kept them "alive" because it would be stupid to have the Geth, and Quarians kill each other, when I can have them work together.

Though if I had to choose I would pick Quarians every time. Organics b4 Synthetics.

Pretty much this.  Would you guys accept your freezer , toaster , PC , TV etc. as an equal if he started becoming self-aware ?

I seriously doubt that. Now that doesn't mean i would destroy it but my educated guess is alot of people would.
As long as the machines still do what they were build for or at least give me something new that does what they did i'm still fine with them beeing self-aware , other people may be not but oh well.

The Geth are not people , they are machines that can be produced in mass production even copied exactly the same . Hell even if you destroy their bodies their conscience can still be salvaged.

I'm taking Peace 10/10 times but that doesn't mean i see the Geth as equal. What the Quarians did was wrong but to be perfectly honest its understandable if you think about it.

Modifié par Serp86, 16 avril 2012 - 04:22 .

[Tom Lehrer]

tractrpl wrote...

Scientists have discussed what the affects of total nuclear war would be. The conclusion is that it WOULD NOT destroy all life. The US would be most hardly hit, because we're smaller than Russia and our population not so widely spread, so somewhere between 50-70% of all Americans would die, maybe 30-50% of all Russians would die. The rest of the world would be economically and environentally devastated, but otherwise unaffected. So, the world would not end. The majority of the population would continue living as normal, no where near 99.83% of all human life being exterminated, even after fallout is considered.

If it was just an exchange between the US and Russia sure but both nation have auto locked nukes set to fire at targests all over the world if they get hit be a nuke. China, India, Turkey, Germany, UK, Mongolia just about every nation that allied with the USA or USSR still has a few nukes pointed at it. 

The Human race would live but the world population would suffer the loss of Billions of people from the actual explosions and fallout, a few billion more will starve to death since most of the farmland would become wasteland.

Modifié par Tom Lehrer, 16 avril 2012 - 04:30 .

[111987]

Let's also not forget that even the Geth that did not side with Sovereign made zero attempt to warn the galaxy about the Reapers. Even if they didn't help Sovereign, they stepped aside to allow a galactic genocide.

This, and the fact that even if people try to make up lame excuses defending the Geth annihilation of the Quarians (the Quarians started it! If the Quarians weren't such meanies the Geth wouldn't have done it. The Quarians probably used WMD's against themselves because they are stupid!), they still killed the vast, vast majority of the Quarian population, makes me think the whole Geth storyline wasn't totally worked out until ME2.

[InsaneAzrael]

SentientSurfer wrote...

I agree. That was what I was trying to say. The geth are more like one entity than a race of beings. Killing the geth is more akin to killing one person than an entire race of people. They're all cells in the geth organism.  

Okay, cool. But bare in mind that you can actually scale up the geth system unlike you can with an individual. Interesting this applies to the problem neatly via network theory. If you destroy a node in the network, the overall system may still function. But if you destroy a sufficient number of nodes the network ceases to function. Even if you were to destroy one platform, or a thousand. So long as the network is still operational you do not destroy the geth.

My analogies really were poor, but seeing as we both at least agree that geth(programs) are cells in the organism, then geth(organism gestalt) are actually a culture or a "species". There still remains the ordeal faced when the variance of programs can be imposed into new platforms and form a new network. Which is what happened with the heretics. Although geth in design, the network creates a unique organism. Not unlike genetic variation in organics.

I do love this dilemma. Applying organic principles and constructs to a very alien synthetic culture (both culture like bacteria and culture civilisation meanings applying equally).

Modifié par InsaneAzrael, 16 avril 2012 - 04:34 .

[Baronesa]

*sighs*

http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/AI
http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Geth
http://masseffect.wi...iki/Morning_War

"By repeatedly tweaking the geth's systems, the quarians had inadvertently allowed the geth to evolve into an Artificial Intelligence, thus becoming sentient. In response, the quarian government ordered an immediate termination of all geth programs. However, a number of quarians opposed such rash action, reasoning that their society needed the geth and that it was no crime for them to be questioning their existence."

They were AI, therefore sentient BEFORE when the Morning War started, the Reaper code only allowed them to achieve individuality, rather than remain as a consensus.

"The quarians placed their worlds under martial law, hunting down even those geth not participating in the hostilities, which was opposed by a large portion of the quarian people. They sheltered geth from the authorities, and were detained or killed as a result. Eventually, the opposition became an outnumbered minority unable to prevent the outbreak of all-out war. "

Seems like a Genocide among Quarians rather than one performed by the Geth... from LARGE population to minority... speaks volumes... The Quarian leadership was not only aiming to destroy the Geth, they didn't cared to kill their own to achieve their goal.

Oh and in no place at all it is stated that the Geth were the majority of the military or even part of it.

Modifié par Baronesa, 16 avril 2012 - 04:36 .

[cerberus1701]

ImperatorMortis wrote...

Geth are just dumb machines to me, the equivalent of a toaster. I only kept them "alive" because it would be stupid to have the Geth, and Quarians kill each other, when I can have them work together.

Though if I had to choose I would pick Quarians every time. Organics b4 Synthetics.

Also the Quarians made the geth. They had every right to shut them down. Do you shed a tear when you throw out a fridge, or outdated computer? 

I might if I had the slightest inkling that my fridge was conscious.

[78stonewobble]

ImperatorMortis wrote...

Geth are just dumb machines to me, the equivalent of a toaster. I only kept them "alive" because it would be stupid to have the Geth, and Quarians kill each other, when I can have them work together.

Though if I had to choose I would pick Quarians every time. Organics b4 Synthetics.

Also the Quarians made the geth. They had every right to shut them down. Do you shed a tear when you throw out a fridge, or outdated computer? 

Right on...

50 % of humans are dumber than average... I don't cry when they get themselves killed either...

[Laurencio]

Baronesa wrote...

*sighs*

http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/AI
http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Geth
http://masseffect.wi...iki/Morning_War

"By repeatedly tweaking the geth's systems, the quarians had inadvertently allowed the geth to evolve into an Artificial Intelligence, thus becoming sentient. In response, the quarian government ordered an immediate termination of all geth programs. However, a number of quarians opposed such rash action, reasoning that their society needed the geth and that it was no crime for them to be questioning their existence."

They were AI, therefore sentient BEFORE when the Morning War started, the Reaper code only allowed them to achieve individuality, rather than remain as a consensus.

"The quarians placed their worlds under martial law, hunting down even those geth not participating in the hostilities, which was opposed by a large portion of the quarian people. They sheltered geth from the authorities, and were detained or killed as a result. Eventually, the opposition became an outnumbered minority unable to prevent the outbreak of all-out war. "

Seems like a Genocide among Quarians rather than one performed by the Geth... from LARGE population to minority... speaks volumes... The Quarian leadership was not only aiming to destroy the Geth, they didn't cared to kill their own to achieve their goal.

Oh and in no place at all it is stated that the Geth were the majority of the military or even part of it.

You can't know if the entire opposition was killed, or if the opinion of the Quarians changed. It is unlikely that the Quarians could have enacted such a protocol if 99% of the population was against it.

[78stonewobble]

Tom Lehrer wrote...

tractrpl wrote...

Scientists have discussed what the affects of total nuclear war would be. The conclusion is that it WOULD NOT destroy all life. The US would be most hardly hit, because we're smaller than Russia and our population not so widely spread, so somewhere between 50-70% of all Americans would die, maybe 30-50% of all Russians would die. The rest of the world would be economically and environentally devastated, but otherwise unaffected. So, the world would not end. The majority of the population would continue living as normal, no where near 99.83% of all human life being exterminated, even after fallout is considered.

If it was just an exchange between the US and Russia sure but both nation have auto locked nukes set to fire at targests all over the world if they get hit be a nuke. China, India, Turkey, Germany, UK, Mongolia just about every nation that allied with the USA or USSR still has a few nukes pointed at it. 

The Human race would live but the world population would suffer the loss of Billions of people from the actual explosions and fallout, a few billion more will starve to death since most of the farmland would become wasteland.

I don't think they're "autolocked" anymore. Presumably atleast the US have plans ranging from allmost tactical strikes to massive retaliation.

In any case. If I remember correctly there's no more than 10.000 nuclear weapons around totally today versus up to 70.000 ones at the height of the cold war.

[Chaoswind]

Baronesa wrote...

*sighs*

http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/AI
http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Geth
http://masseffect.wi...iki/Morning_War

"By repeatedly tweaking the geth's systems, the quarians had inadvertently allowed the geth to evolve into an Artificial Intelligence, thus becoming sentient. In response, the quarian government ordered an immediate termination of all geth programs. However, a number of quarians opposed such rash action, reasoning that their society needed the geth and that it was no crime for them to be questioning their existence."

They were AI, therefore sentient BEFORE when the Morning War started, the Reaper code only allowed them to achieve individuality, rather than remain as a consensus.

"The quarians placed their worlds under martial law, hunting down even those geth not participating in the hostilities, which was opposed by a large portion of the quarian people. They sheltered geth from the authorities, and were detained or killed as a result. Eventually, the opposition became an outnumbered minority unable to prevent the outbreak of all-out war. "

Seems like a Genocide among Quarians rather than one performed by the Geth... from LARGE population to minority... speaks volumes... The Quarian leadership was not only aiming to destroy the Geth, they didn't cared to kill their own to achieve their goal.

Oh and in no place at all it is stated that the Geth were the majority of the military or even part of it.

+1

[OchreJelly]

Baronesa wrote...

*Snip*

Seems like a Genocide among Quarians rather than one performed by the Geth... from LARGE population to minority... speaks volumes...

Legion states that the geth killed massive amounts of quarians, and that they regret doing so. It was not the quarians who killed their own population.

[ImperatorMortis]

78stonewobble wrote...

ImperatorMortis wrote...

Geth are just dumb machines to me, the equivalent of a toaster. I only kept them "alive" because it would be stupid to have the Geth, and Quarians kill each other, when I can have them work together.

Though if I had to choose I would pick Quarians every time. Organics b4 Synthetics.

Also the Quarians made the geth. They had every right to shut them down. Do you shed a tear when you throw out a fridge, or outdated computer? 

Right on...

50 % of humans are dumber than average... I don't cry when they get themselves killed either...

This. I don't hate humans, but if I'm not gonna cry just because some dude on the other side of the country gets killed you can bet your ass I won't give a **** if some synthetic gets torn apart. 

cerberus1701 wrote...

ImperatorMortis wrote...

Geth are just dumb machines to me, the equivalent of a toaster. I only kept them "alive" because it would be stupid to have the Geth, and Quarians kill each other, when I can have them work together.

Though if I had to choose I would pick Quarians every time. Organics b4 Synthetics.

Also the Quarians made the geth. They had every right to shut them down. Do you shed a tear when you throw out a fridge, or outdated computer? 

I might if I had the slightest inkling that my fridge was conscious.

 

Right. Just keep telling yourself that. Sure you might be able to have some nice conversations with your fridge, but in the end its just an appliance to you. If it stops doing its job(keeping your food cold), you would toss that hunk of metal in the trash where it belongs. 

I'm all for equality, and rights, but for organic rights. Aliens, and humans, but for robots? **** that ****.  Hell I value a bloody Batarians life over a geths. 

Modifié par ImperatorMortis, 16 avril 2012 - 04:49 .

[Serp86]

cerberus1701 wrote...

ImperatorMortis wrote...

Geth are just dumb machines to me, the equivalent of a toaster. I only kept them "alive" because it would be stupid to have the Geth, and Quarians kill each other, when I can have them work together.

Though if I had to choose I would pick Quarians every time. Organics b4 Synthetics.

Also the Quarians made the geth. They had every right to shut them down. Do you shed a tear when you throw out a fridge, or outdated computer? 

I might if I had the slightest inkling that my fridge was conscious.

Then just upload then Fridges program into something else ?

Talk to me again when thats possible to do so with an organic lifeform.   Synthethic lifeform like the Geth aren't bound by their bodies .  Bodies are just their hardware that can be replaced like cloths can for example .  Hell if the exact specifications of the program are known it can be re-build exactly the same as before.

Meaning = Machines are way more replaceable because of that.  You can allways copy them if needed .

Which is also why they aren't equal . 

Modifié par Serp86, 16 avril 2012 - 04:53 .

[Baronesa]

OchreJelly wrote...

Baronesa wrote...

*Snip*

Seems like a Genocide among Quarians rather than one performed by the Geth... from LARGE population to minority... speaks volumes...

Legion states that the geth killed massive amounts of quarians, and that they regret doing so. It was not the quarians who killed their own population.

Yes the Geth fought the war, but they were NOT alone... there were Quarians also on their side, something peopel seems to conveniently ignore... furthermore they basically idol worship those quarians and even after 300 years they refered to the quarians as "creators" and they cared and cleaned the planets not even for their own use, but in case the Quarians would return.. since Geth have no use for planets, they mine asteroids and prefer space stations.


Als, considering the actions of the Quarian leadership against their own civilians BEFORE the all out war started, just for protecting their geth units, it is very reasonable to asume that they had no qualms on killing those siding with the Geth.

[cerberus1701]

ImperatorMortis wrote...

78stonewobble wrote...

ImperatorMortis wrote...

Geth are just dumb machines to me, the equivalent of a toaster. I only kept them "alive" because it would be stupid to have the Geth, and Quarians kill each other, when I can have them work together.

Though if I had to choose I would pick Quarians every time. Organics b4 Synthetics.

Also the Quarians made the geth. They had every right to shut them down. Do you shed a tear when you throw out a fridge, or outdated computer? 

Right on...

50 % of humans are dumber than average... I don't cry when they get themselves killed either...

This. I don't hate humans, but if I'm not gonna cry just because some dude on the other side of the country gets killed you can bet your ass I won't give a **** if some synthetic gets torn apart. 

cerberus1701 wrote...

ImperatorMortis wrote...

Geth are just dumb machines to me, the equivalent of a toaster. I only kept them "alive" because it would be stupid to have the Geth, and Quarians kill each other, when I can have them work together.

Though if I had to choose I would pick Quarians every time. Organics b4 Synthetics.

Also the Quarians made the geth. They had every right to shut them down. Do you shed a tear when you throw out a fridge, or outdated computer? 

I might if I had the slightest inkling that my fridge was conscious.

 

Right. Just keep telling yourself that. Sure you might be able to have some nice conversations with your fridge, but in the end its just an appliance to you, and if it stops doing its job(keeping your food cold), you would toss that hunk of metal in the trash where it belongs. 

I'm all for equality, and rights, but for organic rights. Aliens, and humans, but for robots? **** that ****.  Hell I value a bloody Batarians life over a geths. 

Not if it were "alive." That's what someone like you doeesn't grasp and never will. A concious AI is not a toaster. It's not JUST a machine.

It's life. It's just different life. No better or worse. No more worthy of existence than an organic, but no LESS, either.

Organic doesn't equal "better" by default.

[78stonewobble]

ImperatorMortis wrote...

78stonewobble wrote...

ImperatorMortis wrote...

Geth are just dumb machines to me, the equivalent of a toaster. I only kept them "alive" because it would be stupid to have the Geth, and Quarians kill each other, when I can have them work together.

Though if I had to choose I would pick Quarians every time. Organics b4 Synthetics.

Also the Quarians made the geth. They had every right to shut them down. Do you shed a tear when you throw out a fridge, or outdated computer? 

Right on...

50 % of humans are dumber than average... I don't cry when they get themselves killed either...

This. I don't hate humans, but if I'm not gonna cry just because some dude on the other side of the country gets killed you can bet your ass I won't give a **** if some synthetic gets torn apart. 

cerberus1701 wrote...

ImperatorMortis wrote...

Geth are just dumb machines to me, the equivalent of a toaster. I only kept them "alive" because it would be stupid to have the Geth, and Quarians kill each other, when I can have them work together.

Though if I had to choose I would pick Quarians every time. Organics b4 Synthetics.

Also the Quarians made the geth. They had every right to shut them down. Do you shed a tear when you throw out a fridge, or outdated computer? 

I might if I had the slightest inkling that my fridge was conscious.

 

Right. Just keep telling yourself that. Sure you might be able to have some nice conversations with your fridge, but in the end its just an appliance to you, and if it stops doing its job(keeping your food cold), you would toss that hunk of metal in the trash where it belongs. 

I'm all for equality, and rights, but for organic rights. Aliens, and humans, but for robots? **** that ****.  Hell I value a bloody Batarians life over a geths. 

In reality though ... I find consciousness (and a certain amount of intelligence) a practical line to draw for the right to self determination and to existance.

Which is why I am FOR eg. having guardians taking decisions of mentally handicapped person.

What a person is MADE OF ... eg. blood/meat vs. metal vs. software... or eg. skin pigmentation levels (black/white anyone?) I consider arbitrary distinctions.

[Serp86]

cerberus1701 wrote...

ImperatorMortis wrote...

78stonewobble wrote...

ImperatorMortis wrote...

Geth are just dumb machines to me, the equivalent of a toaster. I only kept them "alive" because it would be stupid to have the Geth, and Quarians kill each other, when I can have them work together.

Though if I had to choose I would pick Quarians every time. Organics b4 Synthetics.

Also the Quarians made the geth. They had every right to shut them down. Do you shed a tear when you throw out a fridge, or outdated computer? 

Right on...

50 % of humans are dumber than average... I don't cry when they get themselves killed either...

This. I don't hate humans, but if I'm not gonna cry just because some dude on the other side of the country gets killed you can bet your ass I won't give a **** if some synthetic gets torn apart. 

cerberus1701 wrote...

ImperatorMortis wrote...

Geth are just dumb machines to me, the equivalent of a toaster. I only kept them "alive" because it would be stupid to have the Geth, and Quarians kill each other, when I can have them work together.

Though if I had to choose I would pick Quarians every time. Organics b4 Synthetics.

Also the Quarians made the geth. They had every right to shut them down. Do you shed a tear when you throw out a fridge, or outdated computer? 

I might if I had the slightest inkling that my fridge was conscious.

 

Right. Just keep telling yourself that. Sure you might be able to have some nice conversations with your fridge, but in the end its just an appliance to you, and if it stops doing its job(keeping your food cold), you would toss that hunk of metal in the trash where it belongs. 

I'm all for equality, and rights, but for organic rights. Aliens, and humans, but for robots? **** that ****.  Hell I value a bloody Batarians life over a geths. 

Not if it were "alive." That's what someone like you doeesn't grasp and never will. A concious AI is not a toaster. It's not JUST a machine.

It's life. It's just different life. No better or worse. No more worthy of existence than an organic, but no LESS, either.

Organic doesn't equal "better" by default.

No but harder to 1-1 replace . Its that simple.  I destroy a machine i can rebuild it if i have the know how. With organic life it ain't that simple.   Now if i can chose to not kill anyone hell yes i won't but if i have to thats not even a question .  I destroy the machine and afterwards look if i can repair it.

If something is harder to replace its more valueable.  Thats not even a discussion. 

Modifié par Serp86, 16 avril 2012 - 04:59 .

[Baronesa]

Serp86 wrote...

cerberus1701 wrote...

ImperatorMortis wrote...

Geth are just dumb machines to me, the equivalent of a toaster. I only kept them "alive" because it would be stupid to have the Geth, and Quarians kill each other, when I can have them work together.

Though if I had to choose I would pick Quarians every time. Organics b4 Synthetics.

Also the Quarians made the geth. They had every right to shut them down. Do you shed a tear when you throw out a fridge, or outdated computer? 

I might if I had the slightest inkling that my fridge was conscious.

Then just upload then Fridges program into something else ?

Talk to me again when thats possible to do so with an organic lifeform.   Synthethic lifeform like the Geth aren't bound by their bodies .  Bodies are just their hardware that can be replaced like cloths can for example .  Hell if the exact specifications of the program are known it can be re-build exactly the same as before.

Meaning = Machines are way more replaceable because of that.  You can allways copy them if needed .

Which is also why they aren't equal . 

As per the codex information on AI... you can't copy an AI program into another blue box, because the quantum fluctuations would create a complete and different personality, even if the same data nd history is kept intact.

AI are just as unique as any other form of life

"An AI cannot be transmitted across a communication channel or computer network. Without its blue box, an AI is no more than data files. Loading these files into a new blue box will create a new personality, as  variations in the quantum hardware and runtime results create unpredictable variations."

Modifié par Baronesa, 16 avril 2012 - 05:00 .

[ImperatorMortis]

Man I wish Admiral Xen was a romance option.. She would have been an awesome option for my manshep. Way better than Liara.

Serp86 wrote...

cerberus1701 wrote...

ImperatorMortis wrote...

78stonewobble wrote...

ImperatorMortis wrote...

Geth are just dumb machines to me, the equivalent of a toaster. I only kept them "alive" because it would be stupid to have the Geth, and Quarians kill each other, when I can have them work together.

Though if I had to choose I would pick Quarians every time. Organics b4 Synthetics.

Also the Quarians made the geth. They had every right to shut them down. Do you shed a tear when you throw out a fridge, or outdated computer? 

Right on... 

50 % of humans are dumber than average... I don't cry when they get themselves killed either...

This. I don't hate humans, but if I'm not gonna cry just because some dude on the other side of the country gets killed you can bet your ass I won't give a **** if some synthetic gets torn apart. 

cerberus1701 wrote...

ImperatorMortis wrote...

Geth are just dumb machines to me, the equivalent of a toaster. I only kept them "alive" because it would be stupid to have the Geth, and Quarians kill each other, when I can have them work together.

Though if I had to choose I would pick Quarians every time. Organics b4 Synthetics.

Also the Quarians made the geth. They had every right to shut them down. Do you shed a tear when you throw out a fridge, or outdated computer? 

I might if I had the slightest inkling that my fridge was conscious.

 

Right. Just keep telling yourself that. Sure you might be able to have some nice conversations with your fridge, but in the end its just an appliance to you, and if it stops doing its job(keeping your food cold), you would toss that hunk of metal in the trash where it belongs. 

I'm all for equality, and rights, but for organic rights. Aliens, and humans, but for robots? **** that ****.  Hell I value a bloody Batarians life over a geths. 

Not if it were "alive." That's what someone like you doeesn't grasp and never will. A concious AI is not a toaster. It's not JUST a machine.

It's life. It's just different life. No better or worse. No more worthy of existence than an organic, but no LESS, either.

Organic doesn't equal "better" by default.

Not but harder to 1-1 replace . Its that simple.  I destroy a machine i can rebuild it if i have the know how. With organic life it ain't that simple.   Now if i can chose to not kill anyone hell yes i won't but if i have to thats not even a question .  I destroy the machine and afterwards look if i can repair it.

 

This. Machines are expendable, organic life? Not so much. Also if you guys love the Geth soooo much. Just keep Quarians alive, they can make as many psuedo life forms as you want. 

Thats another difference. Organics can make synthetics, but can synthetics make organics(from scratch)? 

Modifié par ImperatorMortis, 16 avril 2012 - 05:02 .

[Jayleia]

Seboist wrote...

Neutral Ground wrote...

It's almost as though they didn't think through the geth being any more than boogeymen until ME2.

They didn't think things through on a whole number of things not just the Geth. Another issue with them is that they had absolutely no issues with their Heretic cousins helping Sovereign try to unleash armageddon in ME1.

As I understood it, they let their cousins out of the network.  They may have known about Nazara, but they may not have truly understood its purpose (OK...you're a Reaper?  meh...you're just an old machine, and we're not interested in what you're selling, we're going to go make our own future.  The Mass Relay is 11 AU behind you, +7 degrees X axis, -2 degrees Y.  Bye."  "But I haven't even told you my pl" "Communications ended"

[G Kevin]

In the end of the day, both Quarians and Geth slaughtered each other for whatever reason.

Why does everyone keep saying "these people deserve to die!"

Nobody deserves to die, not Geth, not Quarians. Nobody also has the right to determine who lives and who dies. I am all for discussions and all but every time I see a topic on Quarian vs Geth, everyone starts arguing about who is right and who is wrong and it personally annoys the crap outta me.

So please, stop hating on each other.

[Serp86]

Baronesa wrote...

Serp86 wrote...

cerberus1701 wrote...

ImperatorMortis wrote...

Geth are just dumb machines to me, the equivalent of a toaster. I only kept them "alive" because it would be stupid to have the Geth, and Quarians kill each other, when I can have them work together.

Though if I had to choose I would pick Quarians every time. Organics b4 Synthetics.

Also the Quarians made the geth. They had every right to shut them down. Do you shed a tear when you throw out a fridge, or outdated computer? 

I might if I had the slightest inkling that my fridge was conscious.

Then just upload then Fridges program into something else ?

Talk to me again when thats possible to do so with an organic lifeform.   Synthethic lifeform like the Geth aren't bound by their bodies .  Bodies are just their hardware that can be replaced like cloths can for example .  Hell if the exact specifications of the program are known it can be re-build exactly the same as before.

Meaning = Machines are way more replaceable because of that.  You can allways copy them if needed .

Which is also why they aren't equal . 

As per the codex information on AI... you can't copy an AI program into another blue box, because the quantum fluctuations would create a complete and different personality, even if the same data nd history is kept intact.

AI are just as unique as any other form of life

"An AI cannot be transmitted across a communication channel or computer
network. Without its blue box, an AI is no more than data files. Loading
these files into a new blue box will create a new personality, as
variations in the quantum hardware and runtime results create
unpredictable variations."

Considering what the Casino  AI in ME1 told us that i can upload itsself anywhere without losing anything. Or that the Geth can just upload themselves into a suit and than return to their physical platforms i think this Codex is just flatout non-sense.   Hell when you fight Geth Legions in ME2 even tells you you don't really kill Geth their conscience just return to the consensus and can be re-uploaded again. Even Legion did so after the returned to the Geth and afterwards was still himself.

[cerberus1701]

ImperatorMortis wrote...

Man I wish Admiral Xen was a romance option.. She would have been an awesome option for my manshep. Way better than Liara.

Serp86 wrote...

cerberus1701 wrote...

ImperatorMortis wrote...

78stonewobble wrote...

ImperatorMortis wrote...

Geth are just dumb machines to me, the equivalent of a toaster. I only kept them "alive" because it would be stupid to have the Geth, and Quarians kill each other, when I can have them work together.

Though if I had to choose I would pick Quarians every time. Organics b4 Synthetics.

Also the Quarians made the geth. They had every right to shut them down. Do you shed a tear when you throw out a fridge, or outdated computer? 

Right on... 

50 % of humans are dumber than average... I don't cry when they get themselves killed either...

This. I don't hate humans, but if I'm not gonna cry just because some dude on the other side of the country gets killed you can bet your ass I won't give a **** if some synthetic gets torn apart. 

cerberus1701 wrote...

ImperatorMortis wrote...

Geth are just dumb machines to me, the equivalent of a toaster. I only kept them "alive" because it would be stupid to have the Geth, and Quarians kill each other, when I can have them work together.

Though if I had to choose I would pick Quarians every time. Organics b4 Synthetics.

Also the Quarians made the geth. They had every right to shut them down. Do you shed a tear when you throw out a fridge, or outdated computer? 

I might if I had the slightest inkling that my fridge was conscious.

 

Right. Just keep telling yourself that. Sure you might be able to have some nice conversations with your fridge, but in the end its just an appliance to you, and if it stops doing its job(keeping your food cold), you would toss that hunk of metal in the trash where it belongs. 

I'm all for equality, and rights, but for organic rights. Aliens, and humans, but for robots? **** that ****.  Hell I value a bloody Batarians life over a geths. 

Not if it were "alive." That's what someone like you doeesn't grasp and never will. A concious AI is not a toaster. It's not JUST a machine.

It's life. It's just different life. No better or worse. No more worthy of existence than an organic, but no LESS, either.

Organic doesn't equal "better" by default.

Not but harder to 1-1 replace . Its that simple.  I destroy a machine i can rebuild it if i have the know how. With organic life it ain't that simple.   Now if i can chose to not kill anyone hell yes i won't but if i have to thats not even a question .  I destroy the machine and afterwards look if i can repair it.

 

This. Machines are expendable, organic life? Not so much. Also if you guys love the Geth soooo much. Just keep Quarians alive, they can make as many psuedo life forms as you want. 

Thats another difference. Organics can make synthetics, but can synthetics make organics(from scratch)? 

With the proper materials, ummm.....yes.

Same as with an organic creating a synthetic. With the right materials.

Try again.