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[legion999]

Sparatus wrote...

legion999 wrote...

You are joking right?

No. I don't think so.

Look at his profile.

He's being sarcastic. There's no other possible explanation. No one is that much of a narcissist.

Well after his/her reply it seems I stand corrected. Holy ****.

Modifié par legion999, 16 avril 2012 - 09:58 .

[Starshadow2010]

TS2Aggie wrote...

To simplify this: the quarians started the war by participating in illegal AI research (Tali will even try to justify this in her talks in ME1). This was their first mistake. Then they discovered that the geth had gained sentience and their first reaction was to attempt to exterminate all of them. This was their second mistake. Every sentient species has an inherent right to fight against their aggressors attempting to wipe them out, quarians included. However, again, the quarians started the war in the first place and compounded it by committing war crimes (was going to say Crimes Against Humanity, but you know...). They continued their mistakes by forcing the war to continue by not even entertaining the idea of brokering a peace between the two species. They then directly defied the council order to not antagonize the geth by aggressively attacking the geth to try to take back Rannoch, knowing that the geth just wanted to be left alone.

The quarians are war criminals that care about nothing but their own selfish desires and refuse to admit that they had made mistakes and committed crimes, instead trying to paint themselves out as being innocent victims of the species they tried to exterminate. The war would have been over centuries ago had it not been for their victimization complex. All of the organics that the geth had killed (previous to the events of Mass Effect 1) are squarely on the heads of the quarians. They try to blame everyone but themselves for their own problems.

If I were ever forced to make a choice between the geth and teh quarians that could not be solved by taking a third option, I would choose the race that was sensible and willing to entertain the idea that there are better ways to do things than their own. This means that the quarians would have to die and the geth would remain functional. The quarians caused their own hardship; let them die by their decisions.

Somebody correct me if I am wrong, but you can charge person or organisation of being war criminals, not the entire race.

[lonedude73]

moater boat wrote...

But I'm not an idiot. I'm incredibly smart. You have obviously been influence, or brainwashed, by them. It is a logical conclusion to things I have observed.

 
I object to all of the statements above

your just like this salarian

[Dinoman666]

Essla wrote...

moater boat wrote...

Furthermore, the indesputable fact that the Geth must have killed innocents, children or otherwise, is important because it ellicits an emotional response in us, and the fact that it wouldn't cause an emotional response in Geth is EXACTLY WHAT MAKES THEM A THREAT. The whole point of this thread is to demonstrate that by our standards, the Geth are monsters.

Another point of view would hold that the geth had "innocents" among them as well, who were destroyed without a second thought by the quarians. That's exactly what made the quarians a threat to them.

A major theme in the ME series is that there are always two sides to every story. That everything we do, every choice we make, is painted by our own beliefs, experiences, and sympathies. We automatically sympathize with the quarians as organics. Our friendship with Tali deepens that sympathy. On the other hand, the game has to go to great lengths to make the geth appear sympathetic because they are so alien to us. To dismiss them as genocidal machines is to miss out on one of the most thought-provoking themes of the series. What makes the geth genocidal and the quarians innocent victims? If geth had units among them that were more comparable to organic babies, would that change things, or would it still be okay to hunt them to extinction because they are synthetics? There is plenty of room to say that the geth are just machines which should either be controlled or destroyed, but I don't think my Shepard could ever believe that after everything that happened with Legion, and I don't believe it either.

As far as geth systematically going into caves and strangling babies, I seriously doubt it was the intention of the writers for us to believe that. Call it a plot hole or what you will. It was meant to be a muddled time for the geth when they were still "just machines" but beginning to develop independent thought and self-awareness. They were intellectual children who were being hunted down by their creators. They just happened to be a little more capable than organic children would be. It's still terrible that they killed so many quarians. I'm not defending that by any means. The genophage was also terrible. Hunting the Rachni to extinction was terrible. But there are two sides to those stories as well.

This. So much this.

[moater boat]

legion999 wrote...

Sparatus wrote...

legion999 wrote...

You are joking right?

No. I don't think so.

Look at his profile.

He's being sarcastic. There's no other possible explanation. No one is that much of a narcissist.

Well after his/her reply it seems I stand corrected. Holy ****.

That last line is just a zoolander ripoff. The rest, not sarcasm.

[SirBob1613]

So they killed kids get over it all those geth where getting killed for doing nothing wrong and they where all in there infancy if you remember. The geth fighter mission. When you see the geth letting the quirans go. And legion said. We where still in are INFANCY we could not see the consquences of killing a race. The geth let them go. If space aliens started to show up on earth and started killing us by the millions but we started to win would you let them go?

Modifié par SirBob1613, 16 avril 2012 - 10:09 .

[DevilBeast]

moater boat wrote...

lonedude73 wrote...


answer me this OP EDI gains intelligents and goes bersek on luna base and tries to kill you is she a monster ?

Obviously the answer is yes.

Hmm.. They did say they were trying to shut the V.I. down, so maybe it acted in self-defense?? Sort of like when a human or another animal can become extremely agressive and maybe even dangerous if it is feeling threatened, or maybe even scared. The "HELP" code suggested as such. 

[Dinoman666]

moater boat wrote...

legion999 wrote...

Sparatus wrote...

legion999 wrote...

You are joking right?

No. I don't think so.

Look at his profile.

He's being sarcastic. There's no other possible explanation. No one is that much of a narcissist.

Well after his/her reply it seems I stand corrected. Holy ****.

That last line is just a zoolander ripoff. The rest, not sarcasm.

Holy s**t.

Believe it or not, I think I understand your horrifying logic now.

You're a narcissist. You want nothing more than to have people pay attention to you. You think your word is gospel and you are always right. You don't want a debate. You want everyone to stop being "brainwashed" by Bioware and instead get "brainwashed" by you.

I suggest (and I'm deeply, deeply serious about this) you go get some therapy, because there is something terribly, dangerously wrong about that mindset.

[lonedude73]

moater boat wrote...

legion999 wrote...

Sparatus wrote...

legion999 wrote...

You are joking right?

No. I don't think so.

Look at his profile.

He's being sarcastic. There's no other possible explanation. No one is that much of a narcissist.

Well after his/her reply it seems I stand corrected. Holy ****.

That last line is just a zoolander ripoff. The rest, not sarcasm.

YOU CANNOT CHANGE YOUR DESTINY OP. THIS IS YOUR FUTURE

HERE
your are the salarian

Modifié par lonedude73, 16 avril 2012 - 10:07 .

[Raiil]

Trying to quantify the monstrousity of either side objectively is going to be impossible because, as we have amply demonstrated here, our assumptions of morals and right to life vary widely.

Throughout history, who we have considered our equals has changed drastically. Even today, in most western societies, children are not considered the equals of adults, although we offer certain protections in 'exchange' for the revocation of certain rights.

If you believe that the geth are sapient/sentient creatures with the right to existance and self-determination (and by extension, self-preservation), you are less likely to view them as murderous genocidal maniacs. If you view them as cold machines with no ability to empathize or form a moral compass, you are more likely to view them as vicious conquerors on the edge of destroying another race. And in between those two statements are 1,000 variables that matter in different ways to different people, thus coming up with a multitude of opinions.

[Iakus]

At this point, the geth and the quarians have both spilled so much innocent blood (or hydraulic fluid, or whatever) that neither side is any longer an innocent victim.

[DevilBeast]

Sparatus wrote...

Pay attention to me.

Look at this.

This.

This.

This

Attention not granted........Oh, wait

[Dinoman666]

Sparatus wrote...

Pay attention to me.

Look at this.

This.

This.

This

Silly user, can't you see that the OP doesn't care about your opinion?

[IanPolaris]

moater boat wrote...


"any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:
(a) Killing members of the group;"


Sounds like you're wrong. Again.

You are wrong.  That phrase has a precise definition in a legal sense.  If was meant they way you are MISreading it then every soldier would be guilty of genocide because everyone would be killing "in part".

Here's the dime-store difference:  The Geth killed Quarians out of self-defense and let Quarians life when other alternatives were available.  Thus there is NO INTENT to destroy the Quarians.

The Quarians very much intend(ed) to destroy the Geth just for being Geth and that IS genocide by definition.

-Polaris

[lonedude73]

Sparatus wrote...

Pay attention to me.

Look at this.

This.

This.

This

I don't see ... what I'm I look at.... Oh My god

[Dinoman666]

Sparatus wrote...

Dinoman666 wrote...

Silly user, can't you see that the OP doesn't care about your opinion?

You'd think he would.

Since the only reason I side against the geth is because of this thought. But if the civilian fleet wasn't there I would have totally sided with the geth.

Well, not on my canon Shepard. That Shepard is all about blowing up machines.

No peace, then? D:

[Ender Ghost]

As observed from the Quarian attempt to retake Rannoch they brought civilians to the fight, one could assume that there were children on board, and as the OP pointed out it would be horrific for the geth to kill children.

Conclusion?

Quarians brought civilians and children to the warzone to use them as shields, "because, you know, the geth would never destroy a ship shooting at them if it had children on board right?"
Besides the fact that the Quarians may have been attempting to use children and civilians as meat shields, we hope the creators are better then that.

Also, OP appears to have mental issues, his opinion can no longer be taken seriously.

Modifié par Ender Ghost, 16 avril 2012 - 10:20 .

[Dinoman666]

Sparatus wrote...

Dinoman666 wrote...

No peace, then? D:

I'm going with peace every single time if I ever replay the game. But that specific Shepard was just tired of dealing with the geth for three straight games.

But I seriously felt like crying when I had to kill Legion. Then Tali goes all, "we just had to murder a friend to get this" and I felt worse.

Then I was all, "****! He was strangling me!"

Fair enough.

The only reason I would ever NOT choose peace is to see Tali finally use that freakin' knife for once. And, well, that's not a really a good excuse...

Modifié par Dinoman666, 16 avril 2012 - 10:20 .

[Drummernate]

I cannot believe they even included the option to kill Legion. Especially so brutally!!!

Makes me doubt any Mass Effect 4 purchases... would they kill my favorite races and characters in that one too?

[lonedude73]

Dinoman666 wrote...

Sparatus wrote...

Dinoman666 wrote...

No peace, then? D:

I'm going with peace every single time if I ever replay the game. But that specific Shepard was just tired of dealing with the geth for three straight games.

But I seriously felt like crying when I had to kill Legion. Then Tali goes all, "we just had to murder a friend to get this" and I felt worse.

Then I was all, "****! He was strangling me!"

Fair enough.

The only reason I would ever NOT choose peace is to see Tali finally use that freakin' knife for once. And, well, that's not a really a good excuse...

It's hard to see legionbro and taligal fight

[Drummernate]

If you created me and then attempted to kill me for having free will, I'm fairly sure anything would respond by killing off ALL of your people too.

Trust is a hard thing to regain.