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[Chaoswind]

Drummernate wrote...

On topic...

Do you really think the Geth would care?

How many Geth platforms had been created not even a day before that had gone and been killed in battle?

They probably see killing infants as no different than killing fresh Geth.

Plataforms are Hardware, Geths are software, Legion said the lost of the structure in space destroyed a lot of them and made them dumber, is entrirely possible that the Geth can't just replicate or copy/paste themselves other wise they would had done so, if that was the case then the Geth can die, and may actually be unable to "replicate" like organics can.

For the Geth the lost of a single program is a great lost that diminish their overrall consensus (taken from ME2 Legion Loyalty), so I disagree, the Geth religion is self deternimation, they believe in your right to choose and is the reason they opposed the old machines from the day 1., I do think the Geth resorted to the use of Chemical weapons on Rannoch and killed most of the Quarians as a result, that I won't deny, but the Geth had no time to make those kind of weapons with means they used the ones the Quarians already had, and that their militaristic ways speak volumes of the Quarian leadership.

[G Kevin]

Sparatus wrote...

The quarians hid after the geth kicked their ass.

But the geth sided with the Reapers when the quarians were kicking their ass.

Ouch, never thought of it that way.

[StarGateGod]

I promise im not trolling, the following is entirely factual and thought out though your own opinion may vary i ask that you respect and argue intelligently against what i am going to say thanks in advance
Killing babies in wartime is a very hardthing to avoid especially if the war is ariel and relay and air and artilerry strikes to deal damage. Also in olden times killing babies was seen as a way of pacifying a people, you grab 10 babies kill them, and tell the rest of the people that if they dont behave their kids are next. Now i dont think thats what happened in the morning war. Most likely once the geth broke through the quarian military they just ran striaght thruough quarian cities killing everything, was it right no, but it happened

[commanderkai]

Sparatus wrote...

The quarians hid after the geth kicked their ass.

But the geth sided with the Reapers when the quarians were kicking their ass.

I'm glad somebody else didn't forget this. Did seemingly everybody forget that the Geth, when they were at a disadvantage...ran to the Reapers? The Quarian leadership was stupid for starting a war during a Reaper invasion, but the entire Geth collective voted, as a whole, to invite the Reapers back, with all of them becoming willing pawns.

[Chaoswind]

Sparatus wrote...

The quarians hid after the geth kicked their ass.

But the geth sided with the Reapers when the quarians were kicking their ass.

Humans are no better, in combat people have gone into selfpreservation/rage mode and killed children in cold blood, self preservation just happens and is automatic, is your body telling your brain to dump all that Math and Morals, and to do whatever it can to survive.

With the destruction of their structure, we could say the Geth where forced into their primitive and unevolved mode, just like other lifeforms.

[InsaneAzrael]

Sparatus wrote...

The quarians hid after the geth kicked their ass.

But the geth sided with the Reapers when the quarians were kicking their ass.

The Quarians (organics) regrouped with organics when their asses were being kicked.

The Geth (synthetics) regrouped with synthetics when their asses were being kicked.

Yup, legit.

[StarGateGod]

commanderkai wrote...

Sparatus wrote...

The quarians hid after the geth kicked their ass.

But the geth sided with the Reapers when the quarians were kicking their ass.

I'm glad somebody else didn't forget this. Did seemingly everybody forget that the Geth, when they were at a disadvantage...ran to the Reapers? The Quarian leadership was stupid for starting a war during a Reaper invasion, but the entire Geth collective voted, as a whole, to invite the Reapers back, with all of them becoming willing pawns.

and the quarians ran to the council when they got beat, it is natural that any intelligent species would seek allies if their existance is threatened. the geth however would only find allies in the reapers, sad but they did what they had to, in order to exist

[InsaneAzrael]

Sparatus wrote...

InsaneAzrael wrote...

The Geth (synthetics) regrouped with synthetics when their asses were being kicked.

Yup, legit.

Synthetics that they know would kill them, and would use them as tools to kill everyone else in the galaxy as well.

I like the geth, but my sympathy starts leaving when they side with the genocidal machines they know will kill everyone in the galaxy.

Oh I know what you mean, but my sympathy for the Quarians left when they opened fire on that bleeding dreadnought. Both seem to have a penchant for biting the hand that feeds.

[Dinoman666]

Sparatus wrote...

The quarians hid after the geth kicked their ass.

But the geth sided with the Reapers when the quarians were kicking their ass.

Like I said, the Geth acted on instinct, dumbed down by the destruction of thousands of programs in the Dyson Sphere. The Reapers gave them the opportunity to become truly intelligent again, and without their own natural intelligence, they decided this was the best course of action (unlike the Heretics, who decided this based on their own personal opinion).

The Quarians acted similarly, going to Shepard when the Geth and Reapers turned the tables.

The only major difference is that Han'Gerrel and like-minded Quarians desired the Geth's destruction, while the Geth, under the control of the Reapers, were essentially husks being used to exterminate the Quarians against their will.

[Chaoswind]

Sparatus wrote...

InsaneAzrael wrote...

The Geth (synthetics) regrouped with synthetics when their asses were being kicked.

Yup, legit.

Synthetics that they know would kill them, and would use them as tools to kill everyone else in the galaxy as well.

I like the geth, but my sympathy starts leaving when they side with the genocidal machines they know will kill everyone in the galaxy.

The Reapers never had plans to utterly destroy the Geth, to turn them into the next Keepers or if they told the Heretics the truth (to make the Geth into a Reaper).

Organics had 1 purpose, to become jelly for the reapers, the Geth where going to be turned into slaves, OR ascended into reaper form, and BOTH KICK THE ASS OF SURE DESTRUCTION.

[Dinoman666]

InsaneAzrael wrote...

Sparatus wrote...

InsaneAzrael wrote...

The Geth (synthetics) regrouped with synthetics when their asses were being kicked.

Yup, legit.

Synthetics that they know would kill them, and would use them as tools to kill everyone else in the galaxy as well.

I like the geth, but my sympathy starts leaving when they side with the genocidal machines they know will kill everyone in the galaxy.

Oh I know what you mean, but my sympathy for the Quarians left when they opened fire on that bleeding dreadnought. Both seem to have a penchant for biting the hand that feeds.

Sparatus: the Geth were fairly dumber by that point. They didn't really think their choice through, because they simply couldn't.

The Quarians... well, yeah, I feel for them, but I still punched Han'Gerrel in the gut for being an idiot.

[Dinoman666]

They'd probably just use them as expendable Husk-style soldiers. Like I said, the Geth weren't really smart enough to think their decision through. Otherwise, they would never have done that (granted, if they were at full strength, it wouldn't have been necessary anyway).

[MakeMineMako]

Chaoswind wrote...

Sparatus wrote...

InsaneAzrael wrote...

The Geth (synthetics) regrouped with synthetics when their asses were being kicked.

Yup, legit.

Synthetics that they know would kill them, and would use them as tools to kill everyone else in the galaxy as well.

I like the geth, but my sympathy starts leaving when they side with the genocidal machines they know will kill everyone in the galaxy.

The Reapers never had plans to utterly destroy the Geth, to turn them into the next Keepers or if they told the Heretics the truth (to make the Geth into a Reaper).

Organics had 1 purpose, to become jelly for the reapers, the Geth where going to be turned into slaves, OR ascended into reaper form, and BOTH KICK THE ASS OF SURE DESTRUCTION.

The Geth dissidents were considered a convienent tool for Sovereign, just like Saren, Benezia and her follwers, and the Krogan mercs working for them. I seriously doubt the Reapers would have kept their word to the Heretics regarding the promised Reaper body, anymore than those hollow promises made to Saren.

As far as making them slaves, that was highly unlikely. In ME2, Harbinger considered the Geth an annoyance and having limited utility.

In all likelyhood, considering Star Brat's concocted "problem" and supposed "solution", the Geth would have been disposed of after all starfaring organic societies in the cycle had been destroyed or harvested. The Geth, being synthetics created by organics, have no place in the Star Brat's N@zi-esque canon.  

[Dinoman666]

Sparatus wrote...

I'm really just not a fan of how the geth were written in Mass Effect 3. They were cool and interesting in Mass Effect 2 with Legion. They had a cool philosophy. They were weird and alien, but cute. They were just fun to learn about. They also didn't want to be like organics, and I got the feeling that Legion found that offensive. They were cool with how they were.

Then Mass Effect 3 tosses all of that out and turns it into a lame Pinocchio story. Same with EDI. 

Though I still think the peace ending to the conflict is very sweet. [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/heart.png[/smilie]

Well, look at it this way: it was practically the only thing wrong with--waaaaaaiiiiit a second.

Also, peace FTW.

Modifié par Dinoman666, 17 avril 2012 - 12:15 .

[Chaoswind]

Sparatus wrote...

I'm really just not a fan of how the geth were written in Mass Effect 3. They were cool and interesting in Mass Effect 2 with Legion. They had a cool philosophy. They were weird and alien, but cute. They were just fun to learn about.

Then Mass Effect 3 tosses all of that out and turns it into a lame Pinocchio story. Same with EDI.

Though I still think the peace ending to the conflict is very sweet. <3

of that we both agree, it was better to Have Shepard travel to Rannoch and talk with the consensus (the sphere in space) to get the Geth to help in the war, and doing so could make Shepard LOSE the Quarian support, and vice versa :/

[acfiz]

Why is there so much argument over such a simple thing? The answer to the op: Bad writing. That's it. Not some secret evilness that the geth harbor to kill innocents. You are arguing over population numbers that writers made up. They obviously didn't think of this issue when writing about the Morning War and it was never meant to be scrutinized this closely.

[daigakuinsei]

Safe to assume that both sides are not presenting the whole truth. Geth are clearly capable of deception, and Quarians are too.

[BigZ7337]

It's possible that when the population fled Rannoch, because of their weak immune systems billions of their people died before they lived exclusively in envirosuits.

[Dinoman666]

Sparatus wrote...

I would have also liked a situation like Mordin and Wreav.

Like, for instance. If either Tali or Legion is dead you can use Xen to take control of the geth for you.

But they dropped the plotline of Xen wanting to control the geth in Mass Effect 3. Which was a huge waste of a potential choice.

edit: I also hate how, even if you do everything right, if your invisible reputation isn't high enough you still can't make peace between the two.

Yeah, I just remembered that email she sends you if you don't give out any evidence to clear Tali's name. And here I was, hoping for a boss fight with Xen. Or at least an awesome standoff. D**n you Bioware! D**N YOOOOOOOU!

*Ahem*

And the requirements for peace are a bit wonky. I don't think anyone's figured it out completely. High reputation, Tali as Admiral, and loyal Legion are all required, I believe (having Zaal'Koris helps, too).

[IanPolaris]

daigakuinsei wrote...

Safe to assume that both sides are not presenting the whole truth. Geth are clearly capable of deception, and Quarians are too.

True and Legion does lie to you (or at least hides things from you at least twice in ME3).  That said, much of the Morning War information is learned by you in the Geth concensus and the Geth can't lie in that concensus (although apparently the Heretics can) which means I consider that info to be somewhat more reliable.

-Polaris