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[KingZayd]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

ScaredPeach wrote...

I haven't had a single Quarian shoot me yet, nor attempt to assassinate the counsel, nor work for the reapers. The shear existence of the Geth is just as threatening to the Quarians (and many other races) as a full scale war with their entire species. Its like the danger the Krogans gave before the Genophage, but worse since they can build themselves, be revived from the dead and turn enemy corpses into soldiers; all while Reaper pawns. NO EXCUSES. If this was a single person doing this, they would be executed for treason and war crimes. The Geth have a collective mind, so thus must be eliminated.

Gerrel and his subordinates shot at you while you were on the dreadnought. and the Quarians drove the Geth to the Reapers.

If the Reapers demanded the extinction of synthetics instead of organics, the Quarians would have allied with them just the same. 

Gerrel gave the order to fire on the dreadnought while you were on board. He did not fire at you. He was impatient, and thus he gets a kick in the 'nads and ordered off the Normandy, but I don't condemn the entire Quarian race because of the acts of one aging warhorse. If he'd waited a couple minutes longer for Shepard to be clear, then it would have been fine. Even Xen doesn't like him.

Some people (perhaps not you, but some) will use this as an excuse.

he knew i was on board. therefore firing at it=firing at me. I didn't condemn them either, but then i didn't condemn the geth because of the ones that shot at me. Every single geth that shot at me, died by my hands, or the hands of my comrades. Obviously i've been more merciful to the Quarians. The way i see it though, I was within my rights to execute Gerrel.

[TheLostGenius]

KingZayd wrote...

ScaredPeach wrote...

I haven't had a single Quarian shoot me yet, nor attempt to assassinate the counsel, nor work for the reapers. The shear existence of the Geth is just as threatening to the Quarians (and many other races) as a full scale war with their entire species. Its like the danger the Krogans gave before the Genophage, but worse since they can build themselves, be revived from the dead and turn enemy corpses into soldiers; all while Reaper pawns. NO EXCUSES. If this was a single person doing this, they would be executed for treason and war crimes. The Geth have a collective mind, so thus must be eliminated.

Gerrel and his subordinates shot at you while you were on the dreadnought. and the Quarians drove the Geth to the Reapers.

If the Reapers demanded the extinction of synthetics instead of organics, the Quarians would have allied with them just the same. 

Basically the Geth trusted in the Quarians to lay down their arms, and not only did the Quarians betray the peace, they endangered the life of the only person that could stop the Reapers. Therefore killing the Quarians is a very reasonable step to take. 

[KingZayd]

TheLostGenius wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

ScaredPeach wrote...

I haven't had a single Quarian shoot me yet, nor attempt to assassinate the counsel, nor work for the reapers. The shear existence of the Geth is just as threatening to the Quarians (and many other races) as a full scale war with their entire species. Its like the danger the Krogans gave before the Genophage, but worse since they can build themselves, be revived from the dead and turn enemy corpses into soldiers; all while Reaper pawns. NO EXCUSES. If this was a single person doing this, they would be executed for treason and war crimes. The Geth have a collective mind, so thus must be eliminated.

Gerrel and his subordinates shot at you while you were on the dreadnought. and the Quarians drove the Geth to the Reapers.

If the Reapers demanded the extinction of synthetics instead of organics, the Quarians would have allied with them just the same. 

Basically the Geth trusted in the Quarians to lay down their arms, and not only did the Quarians betray the peace, they endangered the life of the only person that could stop the Reapers. Therefore killing the Quarians is a very reasonable step to take. 

i wouldn't say VERY reasonable (unless it's an either/or choice) ... but i want my renegade interrupt to execute Gerrel. If we can gun down Mordin and Wrex, why can't we gun down someone who at least partially deserves it?

Modifié par KingZayd, 18 avril 2012 - 01:22 .

[G Kevin]

From what we know, both sides are right with their reasoning and wrong galactically.

In the end, you either make peace or are a monster. Every time I see a Quarian/Geth conflict discussion, it goes nowhere. Rather, Everyone just starts arguing with each other over who deserves to live. Maybe there would have been a discussion if peace was not an option but it is. So why the hate?

[KingZayd]

G Kevin wrote...

From what we know, both sides are right with their reasoning and wrong galactically.

In the end, you either make peace or are a monster. Every time I see a Quarian/Geth conflict discussion, it goes nowhere. Rather, Everyone just starts arguing with each other over who deserves to live. Maybe there would have been a discussion if peace was not an option but it is. So why the hate?

because Gerrel and I? we have unfinished business.

[Ender Ghost]

TheLostGenius wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

ScaredPeach wrote...

I haven't had a single Quarian shoot me yet, nor attempt to assassinate the counsel, nor work for the reapers. The shear existence of the Geth is just as threatening to the Quarians (and many other races) as a full scale war with their entire species. Its like the danger the Krogans gave before the Genophage, but worse since they can build themselves, be revived from the dead and turn enemy corpses into soldiers; all while Reaper pawns. NO EXCUSES. If this was a single person doing this, they would be executed for treason and war crimes. The Geth have a collective mind, so thus must be eliminated.

Gerrel and his subordinates shot at you while you were on the dreadnought. and the Quarians drove the Geth to the Reapers.

If the Reapers demanded the extinction of synthetics instead of organics, the Quarians would have allied with them just the same. 

Basically the Geth trusted in the Quarians to lay down their arms, and not only did the Quarians betray the peace, they endangered the life of the only person that could stop the Reapers. Therefore killing the Quarians is a very reasonable step to take. 

Not really, the main reason why the Quarians took the Geth by surprise was because the Geth were waiting for them to return (thats why they had cleaned Rannoch for them, even buried the dead) and they were not expecting the Quarians to come back guns blazing.

But I agree with the rest.

[G Kevin]

Ender Ghost wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

ScaredPeach wrote...

I haven't had a single Quarian shoot me yet, nor attempt to assassinate the counsel, nor work for the reapers. The shear existence of the Geth is just as threatening to the Quarians (and many other races) as a full scale war with their entire species. Its like the danger the Krogans gave before the Genophage, but worse since they can build themselves, be revived from the dead and turn enemy corpses into soldiers; all while Reaper pawns. NO EXCUSES. If this was a single person doing this, they would be executed for treason and war crimes. The Geth have a collective mind, so thus must be eliminated.

Gerrel and his subordinates shot at you while you were on the dreadnought. and the Quarians drove the Geth to the Reapers.

If the Reapers demanded the extinction of synthetics instead of organics, the Quarians would have allied with them just the same. 

Gerrel gave the order to fire on the dreadnought while you were on board. He did not fire at you. He was impatient, and thus he gets a kick in the 'nads and ordered off the Normandy, but I don't condemn the entire Quarian race because of the acts of one aging warhorse. If he'd waited a couple minutes longer for Shepard to be clear, then it would have been fine. Even Xen doesn't like him.

Some people (perhaps not you, but some) will use this as an excuse.

Do you remember the dialog between Gerrel and Koris? The entire Quarian race (Except for tali) were working together to shoot at you (and surprise surprise, they they almost killed you too). Now what if Shepard died from that? The Reapers would have won. Geth aint looking that bad now are they?

And what if you sided with the Geth and Legion DID kill you?  Quarians aint looking that bad now are they?

[136th]

The geth are a liability they only care about self preservation, is the Sword fleet id losing the geth would not hesitate to re-ally with the reaper.

[KingZayd]

Ender Ghost wrote...

TheLostGenius wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

ScaredPeach wrote...

I haven't had a single Quarian shoot me yet, nor attempt to assassinate the counsel, nor work for the reapers. The shear existence of the Geth is just as threatening to the Quarians (and many other races) as a full scale war with their entire species. Its like the danger the Krogans gave before the Genophage, but worse since they can build themselves, be revived from the dead and turn enemy corpses into soldiers; all while Reaper pawns. NO EXCUSES. If this was a single person doing this, they would be executed for treason and war crimes. The Geth have a collective mind, so thus must be eliminated.

Gerrel and his subordinates shot at you while you were on the dreadnought. and the Quarians drove the Geth to the Reapers.

If the Reapers demanded the extinction of synthetics instead of organics, the Quarians would have allied with them just the same. 

Basically the Geth trusted in the Quarians to lay down their arms, and not only did the Quarians betray the peace, they endangered the life of the only person that could stop the Reapers. Therefore killing the Quarians is a very reasonable step to take. 

Not really, the main reason why the Quarians took the Geth by surprise was because the Geth were waiting for them to return (thats why they had cleaned Rannoch for them, even buried the dead) and they were not expecting the Quarians to come back guns blazing.

But I agree with the rest.

this is referring the the dreadnought. Legion lowered the shields as a sign of good faith.

[KingZayd]

G Kevin wrote...

Ender Ghost wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

ScaredPeach wrote...

I haven't had a single Quarian shoot me yet, nor attempt to assassinate the counsel, nor work for the reapers. The shear existence of the Geth is just as threatening to the Quarians (and many other races) as a full scale war with their entire species. Its like the danger the Krogans gave before the Genophage, but worse since they can build themselves, be revived from the dead and turn enemy corpses into soldiers; all while Reaper pawns. NO EXCUSES. If this was a single person doing this, they would be executed for treason and war crimes. The Geth have a collective mind, so thus must be eliminated.

Gerrel and his subordinates shot at you while you were on the dreadnought. and the Quarians drove the Geth to the Reapers.

If the Reapers demanded the extinction of synthetics instead of organics, the Quarians would have allied with them just the same. 

Gerrel gave the order to fire on the dreadnought while you were on board. He did not fire at you. He was impatient, and thus he gets a kick in the 'nads and ordered off the Normandy, but I don't condemn the entire Quarian race because of the acts of one aging warhorse. If he'd waited a couple minutes longer for Shepard to be clear, then it would have been fine. Even Xen doesn't like him.

Some people (perhaps not you, but some) will use this as an excuse.

Do you remember the dialog between Gerrel and Koris? The entire Quarian race (Except for tali) were working together to shoot at you (and surprise surprise, they they almost killed you too). Now what if Shepard died from that? The Reapers would have won. Geth aint looking that bad now are they?

And what if you sided with the Geth and Legion DID kill you?  Quarians aint looking that bad now are they?

what? but this never happened?

[G Kevin]

KingZayd wrote...

G Kevin wrote...

From what we know, both sides are right with their reasoning and wrong galactically.

In the end, you either make peace or are a monster. Every time I see a Quarian/Geth conflict discussion, it goes nowhere. Rather, Everyone just starts arguing with each other over who deserves to live. Maybe there would have been a discussion if peace was not an option but it is. So why the hate?

because Gerrel and I? we have unfinished business.

Personally, I did not punch him. I wanted too but It was not worth a political crapfest with the rest of the admirals on board watching.

What Gerrel did was wrong but having a grudge against him makes you no better. It's not like he was the only one who endangered Shepard here. Anyone remember Mars and James' ramming?

KingZayd wrote...

what? but this never happened?

 

Oops. Meant to say, saving the Quarians leading to Legion killing you.

My bad.

Modifié par G Kevin, 18 avril 2012 - 01:28 .

[Skirata129]

Vapaä wrote...



Exactly, because all of what you mentioned it NOT as stupid as fighting synthetics with chemical weapons

You actually aren't accounting for the fact that chemical weapons do not have to be targeted towards organics. A corrosive agent to destroy Geth circuitry or their chassis would qualify as such, and it wouldn't be a stretch to say that it might have had the unintended sideeffect of destroying Rannoch's biosphere.

[ScaredPeach]

Ender Ghost wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

ScaredPeach wrote...

I haven't had a single Quarian shoot me yet, nor attempt to assassinate the counsel, nor work for the reapers. The shear existence of the Geth is just as threatening to the Quarians (and many other races) as a full scale war with their entire species. Its like the danger the Krogans gave before the Genophage, but worse since they can build themselves, be revived from the dead and turn enemy corpses into soldiers; all while Reaper pawns. NO EXCUSES. If this was a single person doing this, they would be executed for treason and war crimes. The Geth have a collective mind, so thus must be eliminated.

Gerrel and his subordinates shot at you while you were on the dreadnought. and the Quarians drove the Geth to the Reapers.

If the Reapers demanded the extinction of synthetics instead of organics, the Quarians would have allied with them just the same. 

Gerrel gave the order to fire on the dreadnought while you were on board. He did not fire at you. He was impatient, and thus he gets a kick in the 'nads and ordered off the Normandy, but I don't condemn the entire Quarian race because of the acts of one aging warhorse. If he'd waited a couple minutes longer for Shepard to be clear, then it would have been fine. Even Xen doesn't like him.

Some people (perhaps not you, but some) will use this as an excuse.

Do you remember the dialog between Gerrel and Koris? The entire Quarian race (Except for tali) were working together to shoot at you (and surprise surprise, they they almost killed you too). Now what if Shepard died from that? The Reapers would have won. Geth aint looking that bad now are they?

The ENTIRE Quarian Race concentratedley fired at you for extended periods of time and didnt even singe your armor. Doesn't seem like a threat to me

The Geth on the other hand...

[KingZayd]

G Kevin wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

G Kevin wrote...

From what we know, both sides are right with their reasoning and wrong galactically.

In the end, you either make peace or are a monster. Every time I see a Quarian/Geth conflict discussion, it goes nowhere. Rather, Everyone just starts arguing with each other over who deserves to live. Maybe there would have been a discussion if peace was not an option but it is. So why the hate?

because Gerrel and I? we have unfinished business.

Personally, I did not punch him. I wanted too but It was not worth a political crapfest with the rest of the admirals on board watching.

What Gerrel did was wrong but having a grudge against him makes you no better. It's not like he was the only one who endangered Shepard here. Anyone remember Mars and James' ramming?

i wanted to click the renegade interrupt and see what happened, but I was doing a paragon, always forgiving playthrough. (occasionally i disagreed on what was the true paragon option, and so selected that instead)

my next playthrough was going to be "paragon with a temper" but then the endings..

Modifié par KingZayd, 18 avril 2012 - 01:28 .

[Ender Ghost]

G Kevin wrote...

Ender Ghost wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

ScaredPeach wrote...

I haven't had a single Quarian shoot me yet, nor attempt to assassinate the counsel, nor work for the reapers. The shear existence of the Geth is just as threatening to the Quarians (and many other races) as a full scale war with their entire species. Its like the danger the Krogans gave before the Genophage, but worse since they can build themselves, be revived from the dead and turn enemy corpses into soldiers; all while Reaper pawns. NO EXCUSES. If this was a single person doing this, they would be executed for treason and war crimes. The Geth have a collective mind, so thus must be eliminated.

Gerrel and his subordinates shot at you while you were on the dreadnought. and the Quarians drove the Geth to the Reapers.

If the Reapers demanded the extinction of synthetics instead of organics, the Quarians would have allied with them just the same. 

Gerrel gave the order to fire on the dreadnought while you were on board. He did not fire at you. He was impatient, and thus he gets a kick in the 'nads and ordered off the Normandy, but I don't condemn the entire Quarian race because of the acts of one aging warhorse. If he'd waited a couple minutes longer for Shepard to be clear, then it would have been fine. Even Xen doesn't like him.

Some people (perhaps not you, but some) will use this as an excuse.

Do you remember the dialog between Gerrel and Koris? The entire Quarian race (Except for tali) were working together to shoot at you (and surprise surprise, they they almost killed you too). Now what if Shepard died from that? The Reapers would have won. Geth aint looking that bad now are they?

And what if you sided with the Geth and Legion DID kill you?  Quarians aint looking that bad now are they?

But he didn't, if he did I'd reconsider, but consider we've seen nothing but good will from Legion whereas the Quarians are jumping in and almost killing you, your squad, and destroying the Normandy?

What if there hadn't been any fighters left? What if shepard was killed from the ship exploding? The Geth always engaged you on fair (Or close to it) terms, the Quarians had every ship in the largest fleet in the galaxcy shooting at you. Seems like a threat to me.

Modifié par Ender Ghost, 18 avril 2012 - 01:31 .

[G Kevin]

Ender Ghost wrote...
But he didn't, if he did I'd reconsider, but consider we've seen nothing but good will from Legion whereas the Quarians are jumping in and almost killing you, your squad, and destroying the Normandy then... yeah...

Yea, I screwed up there. Meant to say, what if Legion killed you because you opted to side with the Quarians.

[KingZayd]

ScaredPeach wrote...

Ender Ghost wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

ScaredPeach wrote...

I haven't had a single Quarian shoot me yet, nor attempt to assassinate the counsel, nor work for the reapers. The shear existence of the Geth is just as threatening to the Quarians (and many other races) as a full scale war with their entire species. Its like the danger the Krogans gave before the Genophage, but worse since they can build themselves, be revived from the dead and turn enemy corpses into soldiers; all while Reaper pawns. NO EXCUSES. If this was a single person doing this, they would be executed for treason and war crimes. The Geth have a collective mind, so thus must be eliminated.

Gerrel and his subordinates shot at you while you were on the dreadnought. and the Quarians drove the Geth to the Reapers.

If the Reapers demanded the extinction of synthetics instead of organics, the Quarians would have allied with them just the same. 

Gerrel gave the order to fire on the dreadnought while you were on board. He did not fire at you. He was impatient, and thus he gets a kick in the 'nads and ordered off the Normandy, but I don't condemn the entire Quarian race because of the acts of one aging warhorse. If he'd waited a couple minutes longer for Shepard to be clear, then it would have been fine. Even Xen doesn't like him.

Some people (perhaps not you, but some) will use this as an excuse.

Do you remember the dialog between Gerrel and Koris? The entire Quarian race (Except for tali) were working together to shoot at you (and surprise surprise, they they almost killed you too). Now what if Shepard died from that? The Reapers would have won. Geth aint looking that bad now are they?

The ENTIRE Quarian Race concentratedley fired at you for extended periods of time and didnt even singe your armor. Doesn't seem like a threat to me

The Geth on the other hand...

in that case, it was only geth superiority that protected your life. yes this is an issue i want to correct at once! /sarcasm

[KingZayd]

G Kevin wrote...

Ender Ghost wrote...
But he didn't, if he did I'd reconsider, but consider we've seen nothing but good will from Legion whereas the Quarians are jumping in and almost killing you, your squad, and destroying the Normandy then... yeah...

Yea, I screwed up there. Meant to say, what if Legion killed you because you opted to side with the Quarians.

fair enough, by picking the Quarians, you're dooming the Geth. Why shouldn't he do what is necessary to protect his kind? I knew he was loyal, but that's asking a bit much isn't it?

Modifié par KingZayd, 18 avril 2012 - 01:32 .

[G Kevin]

KingZayd wrote...

G Kevin wrote...

Ender Ghost wrote...
But he didn't, if he did I'd reconsider, but consider we've seen nothing but good will from Legion whereas the Quarians are jumping in and almost killing you, your squad, and destroying the Normandy then... yeah...

Yea, I screwed up there. Meant to say, what if Legion killed you because you opted to side with the Quarians.

fair enough, by picking the Quarians, you're dooming the Geth. Why shouldn't he do what is necessary to protect his kind? I knew he was loyal, but that's asking a bit much isn't it?

In the same light, look at Tali. She did not try and stop you or Legion of the upload when you sided with the Geth. She just stood there and watched. She was just as loyal as Legion yet she allowed you to condemn her race. However, Legion tried to forcefully stop you.

ScaredPeach wrote...
Tali doesn't grap you by the neck and hang you over a cliff when her species is doomed. Food for thought:?

 

That's one way of putting it.

Modifié par G Kevin, 18 avril 2012 - 01:38 .

[ScaredPeach]

KingZayd wrote...

G Kevin wrote...

Ender Ghost wrote...
But he didn't, if he did I'd reconsider, but consider we've seen nothing but good will from Legion whereas the Quarians are jumping in and almost killing you, your squad, and destroying the Normandy then... yeah...

Yea, I screwed up there. Meant to say, what if Legion killed you because you opted to side with the Quarians.

fair enough, by picking the Quarians, you're dooming the Geth. Why shouldn't he do what is necessary to protect his kind? I knew he was loyal, but that's asking a bit much isn't it?

Tali doesn't grap you by the neck and hang you over a cliff when her species is doomed. Food for thought:?

[FatalX7.0]

moater boat wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Or the Quarian leadership used chemical weapons to kill the rebels who supported the Geth, inadvertantly poisoning their own world and killing millions due to their belligerence and stupidity.

/thread

I don't remember this in the codex...

You didn't see the part in game where Quarians killed other Quarians who defended the Geth?

[FatalX7.0]

Sparatus wrote...

Legion is a machine. A sex machine. He doesn't have emotions like we do. It's pure self-preservation no matter what. If you threaten him, no matter who you are, he will kill you without hesitation. That is why the geth are scary. They don't have a flight response. Only fight.

This is kinda contradicted in ME 2 and 3.

Modifié par FatalX7.0, 18 avril 2012 - 01:39 .