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[sH0tgUn jUliA]

I pull the trigger all three times just because it is so Shakespearean.

[Drummernate]

G Kevin wrote...


If you wanted to stop someone from doing something quickly, what would be the best response? Legion needed to be disabled but what did Tali have at the time that could have done that?

Show him dat booty.

[FatalX7.0]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Drummernate wrote...


But Tali also stabs one of the long time friends of yours in the back... literally.

Legion isn't a long time friend. Legion happened to be part of the squad for the suicide mission. Legion made contact with Shepard so Shepard could solve the heretic problem. In return it helped with the Suicide Mission. Quid pro quo. Legion is a machine that talks and can do complex reasoning. It is sapient. Sentient? I don't know if it can have subjective experiences. It is capable of logical thinking only. It doesn't have emotions, not until it has reaper code running in it in ME3 (but it disguises that from you).

Legion != long time friend. Garrus, Tali and you are long-time friends. Liara? :wub:

Legion's donation to Eden Prime and using your armor to fix a "hole" suggest that he was guided by "emotions". His evasiveness when questioned about the armor suggests that it was an irrational decision.

And stuff.

Legion is a bro.

[Ender Ghost]

Sparatus wrote...

Basically, both sides are going to have to learn that neither side is right, neither side is wrong, and both have valid reasons to do what they did.

But I don't trust Reaper augmented geth. Since Reaper technology usually backfires.

Drummernate wrote...
I have done it too... it seems like the Geth VI is more agressive than Legion.

Legion leaves like 5 feet to the edge, the Geth VI leaves like 2.

Also the Geth VI says it was right to not trust organics, while Legion just says no, I won't let you decide our fate.

Either way, being a jerk and not letting them upload it would make me mad too.

Yeah, the VI is probably a better sign of how you can't really trust the geth in the long run if you let it upload itself (I assume normal Legion makes them more trusting of organics, while the VI makes them wary.) But I don't really have a save with the VI.

The geth were going to be that smart without the upgrades from the reapers.

But one thing I don't get, if the Geth fleet was bigger/as big as, then why do they have just about half the amount of EMS points that the Quarians do? I mean we know that Geth ships, and they are built to withstand combat, so whats up with that?

[KingZayd]

Ender Ghost wrote...

Sparatus wrote...

Basically, both sides are going to have to learn that neither side is right, neither side is wrong, and both have valid reasons to do what they did.

But I don't trust Reaper augmented geth. Since Reaper technology usually backfires.

Drummernate wrote...
I have done it too... it seems like the Geth VI is more agressive than Legion.

Legion leaves like 5 feet to the edge, the Geth VI leaves like 2.

Also the Geth VI says it was right to not trust organics, while Legion just says no, I won't let you decide our fate.

Either way, being a jerk and not letting them upload it would make me mad too.

Yeah, the VI is probably a better sign of how you can't really trust the geth in the long run if you let it upload itself (I assume normal Legion makes them more trusting of organics, while the VI makes them wary.) But I don't really have a save with the VI.

The geth were going to be that smart without the upgrades from the reapers.

But one thing I don't get, if the Geth fleet was bigger/as big as, then why do they have just about half the amount of EMS points that the Quarians do? I mean we know that Geth ships, and they are built to withstand combat, so whats up with that?

did you destroy or reprogram? i imagine it's to make the geth and quarian the same, so that your choice (if you choose) isn't based on that number. i think for me they were about the same. i reprogrammed. killing them seemed a waste, even though it felt as  bad as indoctrination.

[G Kevin]

KingZayd wrote...

if she can just accept that, then that's a character flaw, not something to be lauded.

I think I am not getting the point across here.

She did not try to KILL Shepard. Legion on the other hand did.

Both of those characters were loyal to you. One of them decided to kill you because you betrayed them.

I don't know about anyone else but in that situation, I would rather protect the person that decided not to kill me. Killing someone because they opted to not help you is not right.

[KingZayd]

G Kevin wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

if she can just accept that, then that's a character flaw, not something to be lauded.

I think I am not getting the point across here.

She did not try to KILL Shepard. Legion on the other hand did.

Both of those characters were loyal to you. One of them decided to kill you because you betrayed them.

I don't know about anyone else but in that situation, I would rather protect the person that decided not to kill me. Killing someone because they opted to not help you is not right.

Legion was right to try and kill me. like i said, her not trying to defend her people says something bad about her, not good.

[FatalX7.0]

G Kevin wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

if she can just accept that, then that's a character flaw, not something to be lauded.

I think I am not getting the point across here.

She did not try to KILL Shepard. Legion on the other hand did.

Both of those characters were loyal to you. One of them decided to kill you because you betrayed them.

I don't know about anyone else but in that situation, I would rather protect the person that decided not to kill me. Killing someone because they opted to not help you is not right.

Geth software =/= organic with emotions

I'm just not sure how to specify that, as Legion had also shown signs of "emotions"...but...

Meh, whatever.

Modifié par FatalX7.0, 18 avril 2012 - 02:16 .

[Ender Ghost]

KingZayd wrote...

Ender Ghost wrote...

Sparatus wrote...

Basically, both sides are going to have to learn that neither side is right, neither side is wrong, and both have valid reasons to do what they did.

But I don't trust Reaper augmented geth. Since Reaper technology usually backfires.

Drummernate wrote...
I have done it too... it seems like the Geth VI is more agressive than Legion.

Legion leaves like 5 feet to the edge, the Geth VI leaves like 2.

Also the Geth VI says it was right to not trust organics, while Legion just says no, I won't let you decide our fate.

Either way, being a jerk and not letting them upload it would make me mad too.

Yeah, the VI is probably a better sign of how you can't really trust the geth in the long run if you let it upload itself (I assume normal Legion makes them more trusting of organics, while the VI makes them wary.) But I don't really have a save with the VI.

The geth were going to be that smart without the upgrades from the reapers.

But one thing I don't get, if the Geth fleet was bigger/as big as, then why do they have just about half the amount of EMS points that the Quarians do? I mean we know that Geth ships, and they are built to withstand combat, so whats up with that?

did you destroy or reprogram? i imagine it's to make the geth and quarian the same, so that your choice (if you choose) isn't based on that number. i think for me they were about the same. i reprogrammed. killing them seemed a waste, even though it felt as  bad as indoctrination.

Doesn't matter, total number for Geth is about 530, total number possible for Quarians is 830, I mean wtf?

[Mr. Big Pimpin]

Ender Ghost wrote...

Doesn't matter, total number for Geth is about 530, total number possible for Quarians is 830, I mean wtf?

You're mistaken; the geth can be worth a lot more than that.

[KingZayd]

Ender Ghost wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

Ender Ghost wrote...

Sparatus wrote...

Basically, both sides are going to have to learn that neither side is right, neither side is wrong, and both have valid reasons to do what they did.

But I don't trust Reaper augmented geth. Since Reaper technology usually backfires.

Drummernate wrote...
I have done it too... it seems like the Geth VI is more agressive than Legion.

Legion leaves like 5 feet to the edge, the Geth VI leaves like 2.

Also the Geth VI says it was right to not trust organics, while Legion just says no, I won't let you decide our fate.

Either way, being a jerk and not letting them upload it would make me mad too.

Yeah, the VI is probably a better sign of how you can't really trust the geth in the long run if you let it upload itself (I assume normal Legion makes them more trusting of organics, while the VI makes them wary.) But I don't really have a save with the VI.

The geth were going to be that smart without the upgrades from the reapers.

But one thing I don't get, if the Geth fleet was bigger/as big as, then why do they have just about half the amount of EMS points that the Quarians do? I mean we know that Geth ships, and they are built to withstand combat, so whats up with that?

did you destroy or reprogram? i imagine it's to make the geth and quarian the same, so that your choice (if you choose) isn't based on that number. i think for me they were about the same. i reprogrammed. killing them seemed a waste, even though it felt as  bad as indoctrination.

Doesn't matter, total number for Geth is about 530, total number possible for Quarians is 830, I mean wtf?

hmm that's odd. let's put it down to Shepard temporarily helping the stupid Quarians.

EDIT: nvm

i'm pretty sure both are like 750 for me

Modifié par KingZayd, 18 avril 2012 - 02:18 .

[G Kevin]

KingZayd wrote...

G Kevin wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

if she can just accept that, then that's a character flaw, not something to be lauded.

I think I am not getting the point across here.

She did not try to KILL Shepard. Legion on the other hand did.

Both of those characters were loyal to you. One of them decided to kill you because you betrayed them.

I don't know about anyone else but in that situation, I would rather protect the person that decided not to kill me. Killing someone because they opted to not help you is not right.

Legion was right to try and kill me. like i said, her not trying to defend her people says something bad about her, not good.

Then is Legion worth saving if he would easily betray anyone that endagered his species? Would he be a better member to galactic society? I treat Legion as a person and he decided that his people were more important that galactic civilization. Any person who puts his needs first over the galaxy is fundamentally flawed. Just like the stupid Quarian admirall Geral. But unlike Legion, Geral stepped down after I tried to negotiate a cease fire.

[Drummernate]

The Geth get about 530-600 after talking to Diana Allers about them.

(Which updates the codex saying that Geth now TRUST HUMANS and give them materials for the Crucible.)

[FatalX7.0]

FatalX7.0 wrote...

G Kevin wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

if she can just accept that, then that's a character flaw, not something to be lauded.

I think I am not getting the point across here.

She did not try to KILL Shepard. Legion on the other hand did.

Both of those characters were loyal to you. One of them decided to kill you because you betrayed them.

I don't know about anyone else but in that situation, I would rather protect the person that decided not to kill me. Killing someone because they opted to not help you is not right.

Geth software =/= organic with emotions

I'm just not sure how to specify that, as Legion had also shown signs of "emotions"...but...

Meh, whatever.

Point is, Legion is made of thousands of Geth programs, Legion processes and analyzes much quicker than an organic ever could. Legion didn't have organic emotions to get in his way of his decision, he based it entirely on logic and preservation.

Tali, on the other hand, she's an organic governed by emotions. She's shy and slightly naive, she really, really looks up to you.. When you choose the Geth over her people, she's stunned, shocked, she doesn't know what to do or think.

Two different beings, two completely different "thought" processes.

Modifié par FatalX7.0, 18 avril 2012 - 02:22 .

[ticklefist]

Sigh Allers.

[Ender Ghost]

Mr. Big Pimpin wrote...

Ender Ghost wrote...

Doesn't matter, total number for Geth is about 530, total number possible for Quarians is 830, I mean wtf?

You're mistaken; the geth can be worth a lot more than that.

Wait nevermind, geth get 820 and the quarians get 830 (Still a little odd...)

[KingZayd]

G Kevin wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

G Kevin wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

if she can just accept that, then that's a character flaw, not something to be lauded.

I think I am not getting the point across here.

She did not try to KILL Shepard. Legion on the other hand did.

Both of those characters were loyal to you. One of them decided to kill you because you betrayed them.

I don't know about anyone else but in that situation, I would rather protect the person that decided not to kill me. Killing someone because they opted to not help you is not right.

Legion was right to try and kill me. like i said, her not trying to defend her people says something bad about her, not good.

Then is Legion worth saving if he would easily betray anyone that endagered his species? Would he be a better member to galactic society? I treat Legion as a person and he decided that his people were more important that galactic civilization. Any person who puts his needs first over the galaxy is fundamentally flawed. Just like the stupid Quarian admirall Geral. But unlike Legion, Geral stepped down after I tried to negotiate a cease fire.

he puts his needs over a galaxy that would have his race dead. if i was in his position? screw the rest of the galaxy. you didn't have to doom his race. you made that decision. why should he accept that?

[KingZayd]

FatalX7.0 wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

G Kevin wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

if she can just accept that, then that's a character flaw, not something to be lauded.

I think I am not getting the point across here.

She did not try to KILL Shepard. Legion on the other hand did.

Both of those characters were loyal to you. One of them decided to kill you because you betrayed them.

I don't know about anyone else but in that situation, I would rather protect the person that decided not to kill me. Killing someone because they opted to not help you is not right.

Geth software =/= organic with emotions

I'm just not sure how to specify that, as Legion had also shown signs of "emotions"...but...

Meh, whatever.

Point is, Legion is made of thousands of Geth programs, Legion processes and analyzes much quicker than an organic ever could. Legion didn't have organic emotions to get in his way of his decision, he based it entirely on logic and preservation.

Tali, on the other hand, she's an organic governed by emotions. She's shy and slightly naive, she really, really looks up to you.. When you choose the Geth over her people, she's stunned, shocked, she doesn't know what to do or think.

Two different beings, two completely different "thought" processes.

that's what i thought.. she froze.. and then she killed herself in regret. Given enough time, i have faith that she WOULD fight. Tali is no coward.

[G Kevin]

FatalX7.0 wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

G Kevin wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

if she can just accept that, then that's a character flaw, not something to be lauded.

I think I am not getting the point across here.

She did not try to KILL Shepard. Legion on the other hand did.

Both of those characters were loyal to you. One of them decided to kill you because you betrayed them.

I don't know about anyone else but in that situation, I would rather protect the person that decided not to kill me. Killing someone because they opted to not help you is not right.

Geth software =/= organic with emotions

I'm just not sure how to specify that, as Legion had also shown signs of "emotions"...but...

Meh, whatever.

Point is, Legion is made of thousands of Geth programs, Legion processes and analyzes much quicker than an organic ever could. Legion didn't have organic emotions to get in his way of his decision, he based it entirely on logic and preservation.

Tali, on the other hand, she's an organic governed by emotions. She's shy and slightly naive, she really, really looks up to you.. When you choose the Geth over her people, she's stunned, shocked, she doesn't know what to do or think.

Then is Legion going to be able to fit in galactic society governed by organics who think emotionally. Why is it bad to think emotionally. Heck, Legion showed signs of thinking outside of logic. I know what you mean and Tali did have emotions filling in. I am not sure how to explain what I am thinking here. Maybe I should have been an english major.

[Mr. Big Pimpin]

Sparatus wrote...

rewriting the heretics adds 150 points to the geth and subtracts 150 points from the quarians.

But I think you can get more points for the quarians if you play your cards right. So they are technically worth more.

I found out later that I made all the wrong choices with those mini Admiral arguments. Apparently siding with the nicer, peace-friendly admirals turns out to lose you War Assets.

[KingZayd]

G Kevin wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

G Kevin wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

if she can just accept that, then that's a character flaw, not something to be lauded.

I think I am not getting the point across here.

She did not try to KILL Shepard. Legion on the other hand did.

Both of those characters were loyal to you. One of them decided to kill you because you betrayed them.

I don't know about anyone else but in that situation, I would rather protect the person that decided not to kill me. Killing someone because they opted to not help you is not right.

Geth software =/= organic with emotions

I'm just not sure how to specify that, as Legion had also shown signs of "emotions"...but...

Meh, whatever.

Point is, Legion is made of thousands of Geth programs, Legion processes and analyzes much quicker than an organic ever could. Legion didn't have organic emotions to get in his way of his decision, he based it entirely on logic and preservation.

Tali, on the other hand, she's an organic governed by emotions. She's shy and slightly naive, she really, really looks up to you.. When you choose the Geth over her people, she's stunned, shocked, she doesn't know what to do or think.

Then is Legion going to be able to fit in galactic society governed by organics who think emotionally. Why is it bad to think emotionally. Heck, Legion showed signs of thinking outside of logic. I know what you mean and Tali did have emotions filling in. I am not sure how to explain what I am thinking here. Maybe I should have been an english major.

the point wasn't that emotions are bad, but that in the situation, her conflicting emotions stopped her from making the right decision in time. Legion was not so impaired.

[Mandalorian9]

 There are a few things to take into account:
1.There was a civil war going on between the Quarians over the Geth
2. Geth are synthetics, and in their conscious infancy they likely felt no remorse in doing what they needed to do to survive, any means necessary.
3. We don't know what exactly happened on the planet to begin with.