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[DJBare]

136th wrote...

Ethics and morality irrevelant, coward, and traitors, useless for the war effort.

That term cannot even be applied to the geth, that implies emotion, just as you cannot apply the same emotion to ants, their survival is a programmed mechanism, and besides, I don't believe there are such things as cowards, there are sentients with fight or flight mechanism where one can overpower the other, the shooting of "supposed" cowards in the past was a wasted resource, those who did not want to fight could have been used in other areas such as medical, factories and so on.

Modifié par DJBare, 22 avril 2012 - 06:42 .

[136th]

Averdi wrote...

The quarians began the extermination of the geth; they picked the fight, twice.
Some unknown number of quarians died at the hands of their own during the civil war that accompanied said extermination.
I suspect both the geth and quarians used at least tactical nuclear weapons, with subsequent radiation.
It appears that the geth were relied upon for agriculture production. Without them, the quarians may have faced food shortages and malnutrition, or even outright starvation.

My guess is that as the war progressed the quarians became more desperate; more females died in action, cratering birth rates; civilians already environmentally sensitive and suffering from malnutrition succumbed in large numbers to disease, radiation, or direct action (the quarians don't seem shy about integrating military and civilian infrastructure); and the quarians figuratively smashed themselves to death in a futile attempt to turn the tide. Only when they were hanging by a thread did they abandon the war and flee.

I can't recall anthing, but did even the quarians suggest that their ancestors had tried to surrender to the geth?

No doubt the geth killed a large number of quarian civilians either directly or indirectly, but no evidence that they specifically targeted them. Geth behavior since the war, apart from the heretics, has been non-aggressive and generally noble. Overall, I have an easier time giving them the benefit of the doubt in whom to ascribe the quarians' casualty rate to.

They did turn to the reapers, but only when they were once again faced with extermination at the hands of the quarians if they did not do so. Also, my interpretation was that the geth didn't know the level of control the reapers would seize over them. There were foolish and naive perhaps, but fear of complete annihilation can do that.

The idea that the fact that they did chose reaper help instead of dying in the face of quarian aggression is somehow evidence of evil reminds me of the old drowning test for witches - toss 'em into the water and if they float they're witches for burning, if they drown they were innocent, too bad they're dead.

All the factor you mentioned can only account for less than 25% of the population loss of the quarian the 75% others can only explained by the deliberate extermiantion of the quarians population. Go talk to a biologist or ecologist if you don't believe me.

you analog is irrevalent: we are talking about a race people who care nothing else than self preservation.
What we lose agians the reapers? The most logical choice for the geth would be to betray everyone justt for their own survivial.

Modifié par 136th, 22 avril 2012 - 06:46 .

[136th]

DJBare wrote...

136th wrote...

Ethics and morality irrevelant, coward, and traitors, useless for the war effort.

That term cannot even be applied to the geth, that implies emotion, just as you cannot apply the same emotion to ants, their survival is a programmed mechanism, and besides, I don't believe there are such things as cowards, there are sentients with fight or flight mechanism where one can overpower the other, the shooting of "supposed" cowards in the past was a wasted resource, those who did not want to fight could have been used in other areas such as medical, factories and so on.

You are maken them even more useless, so if they are just animal why bother?  kill'em all, they are not usefull, only a liability for this war.

[136th]

Sparatus wrote...

I was always kind of wondered how the geth would have reacted if the Reapers attacked them first. If they destroyed the Dyson sphere like the quarians than I assume the same scenario would happen.

The Geth are pathetic. They are dedicated to nothing but self-preservation.

[DJBare]

136th wrote...

You are maken them even more useless, so if they are just animal why bother?  kill'em all, they are not usefull, only a liability for this war.

Well, at the risk of lessening the importance of the geth, are you implying horses were useless in war?

[136th]

DJBare wrote...

136th wrote...

You are maken them even more useless, so if they are just animal why bother?  kill'em all, they are not usefull, only a liability for this war.

Well, at the risk of lessening the importance of the geth, are you implying horses were useless in war?

What that has to do with horses

Trait the geth with their actual value, a tool to be used, just like any other races.
Organics, sythetics who cares, you are Shepard, all the races are tools before you for this war.

[136th]

Sparatus wrote...

136th wrote...
The Geth are pathetic. They are dedicated to nothing but self-preservation.

So is organic life.

Geth:  1 species
organics: a catherogie of species

your comparison is irrevalent, stop generalising.

synthetics and organics are catergories of life, you compare a species with a groups of species

Modifié par 136th, 22 avril 2012 - 07:04 .

[Averdi]

136th wrote...

All the factor you mentioned can only account for less than 25% of the population loss of the quarian the 75% others can only explained by the deliberate extermiantion of the quarians population. Go talk to a biologist or ecologist if you don't believe me.

I don't believe you.  You're extrapolating from the end number alone.  You've no idea about the details of how the war was prosecuted.  But more or less dismissing other possible reasons as substantial causes of the quarians' casualtlies and simply ascribing the remainder to deliberate geth murder is just bad science.  I can't unequivocly say you're wrong, but there's no reason to believe you're correct and, given subsequent geth behavior, I'm inclined towards their side.

you analog is irrevalent: we are talking about a race people who care nothing else than self preservation.
What we lose agians the reapers? The most logical choice for the geth would be to betray everyone justt for their own survivial.

There's ample evidence against the idea the geth's only motivation is self preservation.  Why did the geth in the collective memory offer to surrender itself?  Why did the geth spare the last quarians?  Why didn't they launch a war on other organics after they expelled the quarians.  Why did the geth assist the quarians at the end of this recent war, rather than wiping them out once they all had the reaper-enhanced sentience?  They care more about more than just self preservation; you're just wrong about that.

Modifié par Averdi, 22 avril 2012 - 07:22 .

[Mr_Byddy]

Alright, so I don't know if this has been mentioned but this is just a thought that I had. Now, for the disclaimer part, I must admit that I just got back from the bars and I am somewhat intoxicated, so take whatever comes next with a big grain of salt, or logic, whatever.

So what I'm thinking is that the Quarians made the Geth and then got driven off their planet by the Geth. I'm sure there was a good amount of losses in the battle that occurred on the planet, before the Quarians were forced to leave. However, we know that the Quarians are extremely sensitive to anything other than their environment on Rannoch. If they had to leave in a hurry, due to the war, then it is likely that they would not have been prepared to evacuate most of their civilization. Thus, without the proper suits or antibiotics, a lot of the population that fleed Rannoch would have been subject to the conditions outside of the planet. Given that they are so sensitive to foreign environments, the change may have proved fatal for many until they could provide protective suits for everyone.

I don't know if this makes sense, but it did to Drunk Me. So whatever.

[DJBare]

Mr_Byddy wrote...

Alright, so I don't know if this has been mentioned but this is just a thought that I had. Now, for the disclaimer part, I must admit that I just got back from the bars and I am somewhat intoxicated, so take whatever comes next with a big grain of salt, or logic, whatever.

So what I'm thinking is that the Quarians made the Geth and then got driven off their planet by the Geth. I'm sure there was a good amount of losses in the battle that occurred on the planet, before the Quarians were forced to leave. However, we know that the Quarians are extremely sensitive to anything other than their environment on Rannoch. If they had to leave in a hurry, due to the war, then it is likely that they would not have been prepared to evacuate most of their civilization. Thus, without the proper suits or antibiotics, a lot of the population that fleed Rannoch would have been subject to the conditions outside of the planet. Given that they are so sensitive to foreign environments, the change may have proved fatal for many until they could provide protective suits for everyone.

I don't know if this makes sense, but it did to Drunk Me. So whatever.

The quarians lose their immunity to disease because of the time spent living aboard the flotilla.

[136th]

Geth's logic: "We commit genocide by killing more than 99.9% of the quarian and let our splinter group bring back Reapers without taking any action. We did it in the name of self-defense and isolationism; therefore, you cannot blame us for anything, it's all the organics' fault."

[goose2989]

This topic deserves to be discussed again

[136th]

Geth fan-boys don't what to see the flaw of their logic