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[Freakiq]

The Quarians started a genocide against a species that han't been tought pity, remorse or fear.

They deserved what they got.

[Vapaa]

tractrpl wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

It's not a plot hole. One way or another Rannoch was left near uninhabitable.
Chemical warfare, nuclear weapons, starship destruction are all possible causes.
Potentially billions could've died due to this. You know who wouldn't be affected by this? The Geth. So they stay, and the Quarians had to leave.

We've all seen planets devastated by war in this series. They are left uninhabitable millions of years later. Not so with Rannoch. It was habitable again at least by 300 years later, and presumably after only a few decades. We so no evidence of massive ecological devistation. And Rannoch is an "arid world" presumably more susceptible to global catastrophe (look at the Drell). But this is not what we see. We see a world barely touched, its just missing it's original inhabiting civilization.

Also, this

[Elyiia]

tractrpl wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

It's not a plot hole. One way or another Rannoch was left near uninhabitable.
Chemical warfare, nuclear weapons, starship destruction are all possible causes.
Potentially billions could've died due to this. You know who wouldn't be affected by this? The Geth. So they stay, and the Quarians had to leave.

We've all seen planets devastated by war in this series. They are left uninhabitable millions of years later. Not so with Rannoch. It was habitable again at least by 300 years later, and presumably after only a few decades. We so no evidence of massive ecological devistation. And Rannoch is an "arid world" presumably more susceptible to global catastrophe (look at the Drell). But this is not what we see. We see a world barely touched, its just missing it's original inhabiting civilization.

It's "barely touched" because we're specifically told the Geth have been repairing it.

[moater boat]

The Angry One wrote...


Oh my god.

THEY
WOULD
USE
CHEMICAL
WEAPONS
AGAINST
OTHER
QUARIANS

YOU
STILL
HAVE
NO
PROOF

[The Angry One]

tractrpl wrote...

We've all seen planets devastated by war in this series. They are left uninhabitable millions of years later. Not so with Rannoch. It was habitable again at least by 300 years later, and presumably after only a few decades. We so no evidence of massive ecological devistation. And Rannoch is an "arid world" presumably more susceptible to global catastrophe (look at the Drell). But this is not what we see. We see a world barely touched, its just missing it's original inhabiting civilization.

"Presumably", we don't know how long the cleanup took. It's barely touched because.. yeah, they cleaned it up.
Also, notice Legion says "we maintain mobile platforms to clear rubble and toxins." Not past tense. They're still doing it.

Modifié par The Angry One, 16 avril 2012 - 09:00 .

[Tony208]

moater boat wrote...

The Angry One wrote...


Oh my god.

THEY
WOULD
USE
CHEMICAL
WEAPONS
AGAINST
OTHER
QUARIANS

YOU
STILL
HAVE
NO
PROOF

And where's your proof that Geth killed babies? 

[CroGamer002]

I'll tell you when Bioware writes a novel/comic or makes movie/game about Morning War.

[tractrpl]

Meltemph wrote...

tractrpl wrote...

moater boat wrote...

I1 Trust wrote...

We can't really discuss this topic because we don't know any of the details behind the Geth War.

We know the numbers, and that is enough to know that SOMEONE killed millions of quarian babies. I don't think it was the quarians...

Edit: BILLIONS of quarian babies, or if your a brit, Thousands of Millions

A form of nuclear winter makes more sense then Geth going house to house shooting babies... I mean come on.  Both sides doing very stupid things in war = bad things happening.  Only difference is, you kill geth hardware, you dont kill teh geth.

Trust me, a nuclear winter would be very evident 300 years later. There's no evidence of it by the time we visit, so it can be safely assumed it never happened. The only way you could kill that many quarians is by a house by house, cave by cave, looking under every bit of brush in the forest search. It's not implied that the Geth ever did this, I'm just telling you the physics. The story doesn't match the physics, so the result: bad, incosistent, illogical storytelling. It's not like they haven't dont that to us before now is it?

[KingKhan03]

No Proof.

[DJBare]

Elyiia wrote...

It's "barely touched" because we're specifically told the Geth have been repairing it.

Yes, the geth became the caretakers of Rannoch, that's specified in ME2, but they have no need of a planet, so the question is, why did they repair it?

[tractrpl]

The Angry One wrote...

tractrpl wrote...

We've all seen planets devastated by war in this series. They are left uninhabitable millions of years later. Not so with Rannoch. It was habitable again at least by 300 years later, and presumably after only a few decades. We so no evidence of massive ecological devistation. And Rannoch is an "arid world" presumably more susceptible to global catastrophe (look at the Drell). But this is not what we see. We see a world barely touched, its just missing it's original inhabiting civilization.

"Presumably", we don't know how long the cleanup took. It's barely touched because.. yeah, they cleaned it up.

With what? Oh yeah. "Space magic" Nuclear fallout cannot be easily cleaned up like that.

[moater boat]

The Angry One wrote...

tractrpl wrote...

StElmo wrote...

thewalrusx wrote...

How many Japanese babies died in WWII due to American bombs? When is a war ever clean and fair?

This.

Yeah, well, the Japanese are not only still here, they're a force to be reckoned with. Fighting a war is terrible, but killing 99.83% of the enemies population?

Do you realise what would've happened if the Japanese hadn't surrendered?
Hardline military crackpots in the Japanese government were calling for every last Japanese man, woman and child to slow the impending American/Soviet ground invasion.
It would've been a massacre, and could very well have utterly destroyed Japan.

Yes, it would have been ugly, but not the 99.83% dead sort of ugly. It wouldn't have even been close. As it has been said, the only way you can get numbers like that is through intentional extermination of every man, woman and child.

[The Angry One]

moater boat wrote...

The Angry One wrote...


Oh my god.

THEY
WOULD
USE
CHEMICAL
WEAPONS
AGAINST
OTHER
QUARIANS

YOU
STILL
HAVE
NO
PROOF

Context. Learn it. I was answering the question as to why the Quarians would use chemical weapons at all.
Also, nice one there Mr. No Proof.

[Elyiia]

DJBare wrote...

Elyiia wrote...

It's "barely touched" because we're specifically told the Geth have been repairing it.

Yes, the geth became the caretakers of Rannoch, that's specified in ME2, but they have no need of a planet, so the question is, why did they repair it?

Presumably, because that's what they're programmed for when they're not being shot at.

[Meltemph]

tractrpl wrote...

Meltemph wrote...

tractrpl wrote...

moater boat wrote...

I1 Trust wrote...

We can't really discuss this topic because we don't know any of the details behind the Geth War.

We know the numbers, and that is enough to know that SOMEONE killed millions of quarian babies. I don't think it was the quarians...

Edit: BILLIONS of quarian babies, or if your a brit, Thousands of Millions

A form of nuclear winter makes more sense then Geth going house to house shooting babies... I mean come on.  Both sides doing very stupid things in war = bad things happening.  Only difference is, you kill geth hardware, you dont kill teh geth.

Trust me, a nuclear winter would be very evident 300 years later. There's no evidence of it by the time we visit, so it can be safely assumed it never happened. The only way you could kill that many quarians is by a house by house, cave by cave, looking under every bit of brush in the forest search. It's not implied that the Geth ever did this, I'm just telling you the physics. The story doesn't match the physics, so the result: bad, incosistent, illogical storytelling. It's not like they haven't dont that to us before now is it?

I'm not saying it WAS an nuclear winter, I'm talking about something on that level that would cause a lot of deaths. If you had to explain it the only rational choice, imo, is some sort of weapon both sides used that had some pretty nasty after effects(not a planet killer though).

[Meltemph]

tractrpl wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

tractrpl wrote...

We've all seen planets devastated by war in this series. They are left uninhabitable millions of years later. Not so with Rannoch. It was habitable again at least by 300 years later, and presumably after only a few decades. We so no evidence of massive ecological devistation. And Rannoch is an "arid world" presumably more susceptible to global catastrophe (look at the Drell). But this is not what we see. We see a world barely touched, its just missing it's original inhabiting civilization.

"Presumably", we don't know how long the cleanup took. It's barely touched because.. yeah, they cleaned it up.

With what? Oh yeah. "Space magic" Nuclear fallout cannot be easily cleaned up like that.

Eh.  We know that terraforming exists in the ME universe, we just have no idea to what extent.  But the writers have shown they have no problems using space magic in scifi, so I wouldnt put it past them.

[tractrpl]

moater boat wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

tractrpl wrote...

StElmo wrote...

thewalrusx wrote...

How many Japanese babies died in WWII due to American bombs? When is a war ever clean and fair?

This.

Yeah, well, the Japanese are not only still here, they're a force to be reckoned with. Fighting a war is terrible, but killing 99.83% of the enemies population?

Do you realise what would've happened if the Japanese hadn't surrendered?
Hardline military crackpots in the Japanese government were calling for every last Japanese man, woman and child to slow the impending American/Soviet ground invasion.
It would've been a massacre, and could very well have utterly destroyed Japan.

Yes, it would have been ugly, but not the 99.83% dead sort of ugly. It wouldn't have even been close. As it has been said, the only way you can get numbers like that is through intentional extermination of every man, woman and child.

Exactamundo. The worst case scenario is maybe a 20% drop in the Japanese population. Killing 99.83% of them? It would never happen.

[Legendaryred]

Somebody with twitter should ask walters or any of the writing directors on ME2. I'm sure they'll be glad to shed some light into this. Until then this is pure speculation with a hint of trolling.

[The Angry One]

tractrpl wrote...

With what? Oh yeah. "Space magic" Nuclear fallout cannot be easily cleaned up like that.

Um. It's 300 years later. Radiation would've long since dropped to safe levels.

[Meltemph]

tractrpl wrote...

moater boat wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

tractrpl wrote...

StElmo wrote...

thewalrusx wrote...

How many Japanese babies died in WWII due to American bombs? When is a war ever clean and fair?

This.

Yeah, well, the Japanese are not only still here, they're a force to be reckoned with. Fighting a war is terrible, but killing 99.83% of the enemies population?

Do you realise what would've happened if the Japanese hadn't surrendered?
Hardline military crackpots in the Japanese government were calling for every last Japanese man, woman and child to slow the impending American/Soviet ground invasion.
It would've been a massacre, and could very well have utterly destroyed Japan.

Yes, it would have been ugly, but not the 99.83% dead sort of ugly. It wouldn't have even been close. As it has been said, the only way you can get numbers like that is through intentional extermination of every man, woman and child.

Exactamundo. The worst case scenario is maybe a 20% drop in the Japanese population. Killing 99.83% of them? It would never happen.

"Super weapons" based on the crucible.... Nowhere to hide then. <_<

[Elyiia]

tractrpl wrote...

Exactamundo. The worst case scenario is maybe a 20% drop in the Japanese population. Killing 99.83% of them? It would never happen.

Different situation. The Quarians kept attacking until they were forced to leave.

[The Angry One]

tractrpl wrote...

Exactamundo. The worst case scenario is maybe a 20% drop in the Japanese population. Killing 99.83% of them? It would never happen.

So let's take cities being bombed to ash, whole populations throwing themselves at the enemy.
Now, let's add possible chemical warfare or nuclear weapons or orbital bombardment along with starship destruction, eezo core explosions and the like... what do you think will happen?

Wars in Mass Effect have the potential to be considerably more destructive.

[moater boat]

T-0pel wrote...

How manby babies do you think the Krogan killed?

I don't know, but you don't see a majority of people on these forums condemning all Salarians, Turains, and Asari to death for what they did to the Krogan. People see that situation in a fairly unbiased way. The same can't be said for the Geth/Quarian conflict.

[Silhouett3]

Is this a technophobic topic?

Geth are not true AIs. They weren't engineered to be AIs in the first place. They could hardly compute any moral standpoint about organic life, about which they are limited with the data Quarians provided them, which is only about being pragmatic servants. I doubt a baby Quarian was different then a full-grown Quarian for them. At least during their early stages of rebellion.

Don't be so surprised, no:

Before the modern age, we didn't have any actual distinction between an adult and a child. A 12 year old could join the military, work in factories or seize the throne of his nation.

[DJBare]

Elyiia wrote...

Presumably, because that's what they're programmed for when they're not being shot at.

No, since their primary objective is the construction of the dyson sphere.

Also a reminder

Geth Prime: you are welcome to join us admiral, do you have somewhere specific in mind.
Admiral Raan: The southern continent is good for farmland
And of course not forgetting the geth who uploaded themselves to quarian volunteers to speed up the repair of their immune system.
These are not speculations, these are in the game.

Modifié par DJBare, 16 avril 2012 - 09:08 .