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[Vlad_The_Impaler]

I really want to like DA3. I'm still aggravated that I bought DA2 at launch for full price (I had never bought a game at launch for full price) so I'm hoping they redeem themselves.

* If I'm running around the same maps over and over, it's a no go.
* If there is more focus on hack and slash vs. tactics and a great story line, forget about it.
* If there are any ugly to look at characters (Anders' big tall forehead annoyed me to no end) I might not buy it.
* If I can't even have a real inventory system, with freedom of weapons and armor choice, that's a deal breaker.
* The story line was so uninteresting, I can't even remember anything about it except wanting to finish the game.  There has to be something better for DA3.
* If there is any talk from developers of improving the gameplay through "streamlining" or "simplifying" anything else, I'll just move on to something else.

Modifié par Vlad_The_Impaler, 16 avril 2012 - 04:49 .

[Mmw04014]

I will more than likely buy it. I ain't even going to try and pretend that I won't. However, whether I pre order it is another story.

Right now, I'm cautiously pessimistic. I agree with you on a lot of your points about why we should be worried. However, I'm still going to stick around and see if it gets better. Right now, I'm just going to assume it's going to be disappointing, and hope that I'm proven wrong as development moves along.

[LolaLei]

I'll buy it, unless for some reason I play the demo and absolutely hate it, but to make that sort of decision based on a short demo would have to be something really bloody awful.

[daniel_schold]

LolaLei wrote...

I'll buy it, unless for some reason I play the demo and absolutely hate it, but to make that sort of decision based on a short demo would have to be something really bloody awful.

Agreed.

I also find it fascinating that people are already judging a game we essentially know nothing about. Now, I'm not saying it most definately will be the best game ever, but if we as fans let them know what we want, through constructive posts rather than "omg this sucks!"-posts - I'm hopeful for what DA3 will bring.

[LolaLei]

daniel_schold wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

I'll buy it, unless for some reason I play the demo and absolutely hate it, but to make that sort of decision based on a short demo would have to be something really bloody awful.

Agreed.

I also find it fascinating that people are already judging a game we essentially know nothing about. Now, I'm not saying it most definately will be the best game ever, but if we as fans let them know what we want, through constructive posts rather than "omg this sucks!"-posts - I'm hopeful for what DA3 will bring.

They certainly seemed to have acknowledged the major flaws in DA2 and have said that they plan to avoid making the same mistakes in DA3, which is something at least. I get the impression that they hadn't expected things like not being able to interact with our companions whenever we wanted etc to cause such an uproar.

I'm not sure DA3 will be as good as DA:O simply because they won't have 5+ years to work on it. BUT I think it'll definitely be a lot better than DA2. I'm kinda under the impression that DA2 was the interlude/filler/story set up for DA3.

[Cultist]

daniel_schold wrote...
I also find it fascinating that people are already judging a game we essentially know nothing about.

Oh, that's a matter of experience. Once, Electronic Arts stated that "there will be no base building" in upcoming C&C4. That 6 words were enough for fandom to give their verdict for C&C4. No one bough this game and it was branded as a stillborn project.

[Zexiv]

KDD-0063 wrote...

After DA2 and ME3, probably you will become a very careful customer if not already.

So, what kind of announcements and signs before DA2 release would make you very alerted worried careful about buying considering to buy DA3, and knock pre-ordering out of question?

For me pre-ordering is already out of the question based on DA2  I'll wait for forum feedback and then decide if I'll pick it up or not.

A few things to consider as bell weathers though:

1) Will Human be the only playable race?  If that's the case how are my choices as an Elf or Dwarf during previous playthroughs going to have an impact on this game.

2) What the outcome of equipping charecters is.  Currently it's slightly better than DA2 but the model doesn't seem to change only the textures for the iconic model.  This makes me think that the user would be hamstrung in their ability to make mods since this would be more along the DA2 texture swap modding lines rather than being able to make new models via the toolset.

3) Short development cycle.  (I'd take this as they cut coners to make a schedule and something was dropped)

4) No news on the toolset (I'd look at this as impacting the long term re-playablity of the game so it would be included as something that I'd be watching for news of if I was border line.)

5) News on Player Agency - What effects do you origins play throughs bring to the game.  The continuality of the story line from DAO to DA2  seemed lacking there didn't seem to be any truely game altering path due to having been out right evil or nobel in DAO to DA2. It wasn’t like you could return to Orzammar to see the effects of which faction you backed etc.  How this resolved or if they even attempt to adress this is something I'm currious about.

Take it easy

Modifié par Zexiv, 16 avril 2012 - 08:08 .

[Maria Caliban]

I, and many others, have asked for a Desire Demon companion.

If there is no Desire Demon companion, I can only conclude that BioWare is out of touch with its fans or believes it understands how to make games better than we do. As such, I will be FORCED to not pre-order and will only pick up the game the Friday that it comes out as opposed to Tuesday.

BioWare, you have been warned!

[Davillo]

We cant expect a decent piece of work out of them these days so I suggest you get used to the sub par crap here. It's like they cant get everything good in a game just one or two aspects of it.

[Zexiv]

Wish granted Desire Demon Companion Mod
http://dragonage.nex...s.com/mods/2356

Modifié par Zexiv, 16 avril 2012 - 08:17 .

[Maria Caliban]

That just replaces the appearance of the summonable dog. Which leads to hillarious results when you talk to her at your house.

[slashthedragon]

I'll wait until someone does a full play through, as $60-$80 isn't easy for me to drop. I would like to know if the dialogue/paraphrasing issue has been fixed, if imports work correctly and the writers don't put in characters that were dead by saying 'oh they miraculously survived!', if the gameplay and maps are good, if the PC is YOUR character or one that you are directing and if it has a true and satisfying ending.

[Pasquale1234]

daniel_schold wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

I'll buy it, unless for some reason I play the demo and absolutely hate it, but to make that sort of decision based on a short demo would have to be something really bloody awful.

Agreed.

I also find it fascinating that people are already judging a game we essentially know nothing about. Now, I'm not saying it most definately will be the best game ever, but if we as fans let them know what we want, through constructive posts rather than "omg this sucks!"-posts - I'm hopeful for what DA3 will bring.

I'm still glued to the fence, but peeking over it to see how they will approach / resolve some of the outstanding issues.  Since they're determined to go with a voiced protag, I am especially interested in whether they will provide a toggle for it, what changes they might make to the dialogue wheel / paraphrase system, how they will deal with auto-dialogue - basically the factors that would either support or deter my ability to feel enough of a connection with the protag to enjoy taking her out adventuring.  Well, that and just who the new protag might be.

I look forward to learning more about their plans.

[LolaLei]

Maria Caliban wrote...

That just replaces the appearance of the summonable dog. Which leads to hillarious results when you talk to her at your house.

LOL!!!

[Zexiv]

LOL didn't realize that one was for DA2 definitely an example of why I'd prefer having a toolset

[bEVEsthda]

Since they're not telling us anything, before they have something to show, as they say, I can't really see anything, beyond what they're already forcing us to be ready to accept (or take our leave), voiced protagonist and dialog wheel.

What motivates me, is that they've said they're looking at making those things work better for those who didn't like them. I'm thinking wait and see. But then I'm also worried they do too much, go too far down a wrong road, burn their ships, without considering feedback. I suppose that's why I'm here, like a thorn. I'm very worried anout getting a DA2:2.

The single recent thing that really, well,.. stinks, is the end of ME3. Luckily, it has nothing directly to do with our DA team and our writers. D.G. is solid. ...Still, what if he's forced? From what I understand, there's nothing through most of ME, ME2, and ME3 that doesn't suggest that the ME writing team wasn't also very solid. And yet it happened. So the scary part is that we're up against a Bioware that can just do things like that... I mean anything can happen now. There's no reality anymore. No logic, no rationale. Not even money or reputation. It's surrealistic.

Modifié par bEVEsthda, 16 avril 2012 - 09:34 .

[Eternal Phoenix]

KDD-0063 wrote...
1) bad DLC from previous game. I did not pre-order DA2 because Awakening was an overpriced and forgettable addon, Witch hunt was bad and Leliana's song was very bugged. Wish I've done the same for ME3--now that I think about it, Arrival did make me a little worried.

Awakening was overpriced but it wasn't a forgettable addon. The quests, story, new enemies, new skills and new characters were pretty good additions to Dragon Age: Origins. All the other DLC's I couldn't care for but didn't most Origin DLC's suck? The only good ones were Return to Ostagar and Warden's Keep...

KDD-0063 wrote... 
2) Annoucements of some out of place characters

Like Fenris, a J-RPG character annouced in the DA universe; or Diana Allers. Now, it's not that Fenris is too badly written; but it's a sign that EA is trying to appeal to fans of other games and/or spending resources on ads/PR/whatever instead of on the game itself.

How is he a J-RPG character? White hair doesn't make a J-RPG character. If that's the case then Geralt from The Witcher series is a J-RPG character. I didn't even see Fenris advertised that much which does away with your theory of EA creating him and then making ads of him to appeal to J-RPG fans.

All your other statements I agree with.

But let's not just look at DA2. Let's look at ME3 for what DA3 could hold:

• Dumbed down dialogue wheel.
• Lots of auto-dialogue.
• Few role playing choices to make.
• LOTS of action.

Hopefully I'm wrong. Bioware are saying they are implementing a system where you can customize companions again (armor just looks different on each companion) and thus Dragon Age 3 could have other features which make it more like Origins and not like Dragon Age 2. I doubt Dragon Age 3 will have the same feel of Origins or even be better but it could end up being a good RPG so long as there's plenty of meaningful choices with consequences. Combine that with more tactical combat and Origins style dialogue (talk to companions anywhere) and DA3 could end up being a great RPG.

Modifié par Elton John is dead, 16 avril 2012 - 10:19 .

[HanErlik]

Elton John is dead wrote...

How is he a J-RPG character? White hair doesn't make a J-RPG character. If that's the case then Geralt from The Witcher series is a J-RPG character. I didn't even see Fenris advertised that much which does away with your theory of EA creating him and then making ads of him to appeal to J-RPG fans.

All your other statements I agree with.

White hair, alone, doesn't make a J-RPG character. Geralt is a fine example; he is white haired but grim, realistic and charismatic.

Fenris, on the other hand, surely is a J-RPG character. If Square Enix had promoted him as a new character in FF series, no one could surprised. He is shiny, animesque, childish.

[Eternal Phoenix]

Fenris:

  
Random FF character I found from the latest game:

 
 
I really don't see how Fenris looks like that FF character.

The way you described Fenris sort of fits Merrill's description is anything. She's the childish one and she even looks childish and sounds childish. Fenris is a brooding character with serious anger problems and his voice is anything but childish.

Here's some more FF characters:

 
Again...I don't think they really look similar. I don't play FF so maybe I'm missing something...

Modifié par Elton John is dead, 17 avril 2012 - 02:27 .

[slashthedragon]

You should have posted pics of FF characters that have Fenris' VA!

[deuce985]

KDD-0063 wrote...

After DA2 and ME3, probably you will become a very careful customer if not already.

Speak for yourself. I enjoyed ME3 a lot and is actually the most personal game I've played this gen, if not ever. DA2 was also enjoyable despite the shortcomings.

The simple and quick answer for me...if they don't listen to fan feedback. Which so far is pointing to a positive direction based on the blog report and PAX interview.

[hussey 92]

I pretty much agree with everything KDD-0063 wrote.

Biowares lost the credablity they once had and are not going in a promising direction

[craigdolphin]

Although preordering for both PC and xbox versions was my default setting for Bioware games, I decided to stop preordering Bioware games after DA2. After the brouhaha over ME3, it turns out that not spending money on ME3 was (surprisingly) a good move. So I have no intention of preordering DA3 or any other Bioware game in the foreseeable future regardless of what they announce.

Whether I buy new, secondhand, or at all, will depend on what they finally release and whether the publishing requirements (i.e. mandatory origin without an opt-out for data gathering) are acceptable or not. I'm not saying I won't buy, I'm just rather sceptical currently. Bioware have a lot to do to convince me to part with my money again. And the odds of me buying copies for more than one platform are pretty much negligible now as my wife also feels similarly unmotivated after the DA2 experience. If we get DA3, we will buy one copy and I will wait for my wife to finish playing it perfectly happily now. Previously, we each wanted to play as soon as the game was released so we always bought two copies.

Now, if DA3 turns out to have the same kind of feel as origins, I may revise that stance for DA4. But given the comments about the art direction continuing from DA2, I really don't see it being likely. On the other hand, the armor customization ideas seem like a good compromise solution IMO. So, I'm trying to temper my negativity somewhat and will wait and see whatever they come up with when they're ready to show it.

[Cantina]

Dragon Age 2 was well uh, a disaster compared to Origins.
Honestly if Anders was not in DA2, I would never have played the damn thing.


What bothered me was
the obvious fact the game was rushed.



***Not being able to speak to your companion when you so chose
to get to know their back-story. I really did not like being told by a quest to
speak to your companion. Then you had to choose between getting a kiss from
them or ask about their day-I hated it. It really did not bother me standing there
for 15 minutes asking my companion about their life story; I enjoyed that part
about Origins.  Getting to know a companion on a face-to-face level is far more
personal then reading it in a Codex.



***Same damn layout of dungeons. I know in Skyrim they reuse
the same dungeon, but that is rare, they try to make sure each dungeon is different.
That is the point of exploring if you already know the layout it takes away the
fun of exploring.


***Lack of spells compared to Origins. I always play a mage and
to see the list of what I can choose from was so damn sad. I do not miss spells
like Earthquake or Grease, but I loved the spell Blizzard. I enjoyed the Force
Mage set but the school used way to much mana, which caused problems. In Origins,
there were different ways to allow your spells not to consume as much mana, but
there was nothing like that in DA2.



***The romances in DA2 were bland. It was a nice build-up from
Act 1 then the climax in Act 2. The problem was then the person you were
romancing stayed the night, the sex scene played out as if you were afraid to
show any skin on skin contact. It boggles my mind to see very racy jokes
mentioned in companion banter and the wiliness to show a Broodmother with a
dozen breasts.

When it comes to two companions in an intimate setting, we do
not get intimacy, we get two people clothed and dry humping each other. To me
that is not very romantic at all. I am not expecting some porno filth but there
is a way to show a sex scene in a romantic way with people being nude and going
overboard.



***Not being able to equip my companions with the armor of my
choice pissed me off. I recall purchasing the Warrior Package and then found
out soon after my companion who could use it, could not be equipped with it or
any other armor then what he/she was wearing. Granted their trying to do
something different in DA3 but I sure the hell hope it does not cause more problems
than it prevents. In addition, I am concerned it may cause issues with the
romance scenes. Aside from that, I also did not like that stupid outfit my
character was defaulted to wearing in her house. If I want my character to be
at home and run around naked, I should have been able to do so.



 

***I hope the expansions (if there are any for DA3) are better
then what was given for DA2. Legacy was not bad, only issue is I wish there was
an option to speak to ALL of the companions you took with you and not just your
brother/sister after it was over. It would have been interesting to hear their
opinions on what happened. As for Mark of the Assassin, the only thing I liked
about the expansion is how your romance (mine is always Anders) seemed to show
more.  This goes kind goes with what I was saying above in a previous comment.
It seems like in Origins your romance  was just as important as the story
but not above the main story. Everyone in the party was curious about it
and it felt like you were in a romance with that character. In DA2 by the time,
Act3 rolled around it felt like tumbleweed rolled past and it left me with the feeling of,
are we in a relationship or what.



***The writing was all over the place and seemed disconnected.
Beyond that, if you pay attention something would be said and then that same
person would say something that contradicted their previous statement. I also
missed the whole being noticed of what I was in Origins. Here I am a mage
running around and thinking at any moment the Templars are going to try to
arrest me during Act 1, but it never happened. Then of course, Cullen not noticing
I am mage (even though I was casting spells in front of him) made me face palm.


 


I just hope Dragon Age 3 fixes the above issues and the
other issues people have pointed out. IF they do not and not make a roaring
come back, I have a feeling the series will be over. I will wait and see when
more information comes out before I make my final choice on if I should buy it
or not. All we have now is tidbits of information and that is nowhere near
enough to make a final opinion.

Modifié par Cantina, 17 avril 2012 - 05:56 .