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[Funkdrspot]

Now, granted, I don't like Starchild either. I thought the crucible would be more of a conventional weapon that would be like a super laser but I don't get everyone who obsesses over this idea of being able to tell the starchild off. The options he describes aren't HIS options, they're the triggers for firing the crucible. The crucible isn't an Improbability Drive so it's not going to give you the option to turn reapers into bowls of petunias and sperm whales. It's primary design is to kill off all synthetic life in the galaxy but you get some other options if you understand the tech behind it better.

So yes, the options between control, synth (we just spent 3 games fighting against these options and just talked TIM into an hero b/c it was too risky ) and destroy( we just brokered peace between the geth and quarians and have EDI ), do kinda suck, but sometimes life is complicated. I dislike having to kill my new geth buddies or EDI but I appreciate a game that can incorporate a moral delimma.

If you're that turned off by having to decide and you think you should be able to 'defy' the starchild, then don't pick anything. Shepard bleeds out on the Citadel, the fleets lose to the reapers and the current cycle ends. Simple as that.

[KingZayd]

the way to defy the starchild is to pick destroy. It's the only option it doesn't like.

[Flidget]

Funkdrspot wrote...

If you're that turned off by having to decide and you think you should be able to 'defy' the starchild, then don't pick anything. Shepard bleeds out on the Citadel, the fleets lose to the reapers and the current cycle ends. Simple as that.

Which would be fine, except you don't get a newgame+ save for it.  It's one of the things I'm hoping Extended Cut adds, so it does become a proper fourth ending.

[The Angry One]

Because extinction is preferable to submission.

And no, non-standard game overs don't count. Stop pretending they do.

Modifié par The Angry One, 16 avril 2012 - 12:22 .

[The Protheans]

OP I would tell you where to go after that post.

but **** you

[Funkdrspot]

The Angry One wrote...

Because extinction is preferable to submission.

And no, non-standard game overs don't count. Stop pretending they do.

But who is being placed in submission? No one. You're just dramaticizing the outcome because you don't like it.

[The Protheans]

Funkdrspot wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Because extinction is preferable to submission.

And no, non-standard game overs don't count. Stop pretending they do.

But who is being placed in submission? No one. You're just dramaticizing the outcome because you don't like it.

Keep doing it, give me more reasons to hate you.

[The Angry One]

KingZayd wrote...

the way to defy the starchild is to pick destroy. It's the only option it doesn't like.

It doesn't appear to like control either seeing as it feels the need to obfuscate just how you'll control them by claiming you will die.
Funnily enough the only option where he doesn't say you will die is the one where you do in fact die with no ambiguity (synthesis).

Lying little creep that he is.

[cogsandcurls]

Funkdrspot wrote...

If you're that turned off by having to decide and you think you should be able to 'defy' the starchild, then don't pick anything. Shepard bleeds out on the Citadel, the fleets lose to the reapers and the current cycle ends. Simple as that.

Honestly if they gave me a twenty-second cutscene of that actually happenning instead of a sign that goes "WE'RE NOT GOING TO SHOW YOU BUT THE CRUCIBLE IS DESTROYED WOULD YOU LIKE TO TRY AGAIN?", then I would be happy to do this. As it stands, it's no more an "ending" than getting shot down by Mr. Shields.

ME2 did this right. You get Shep killed at the end, you get a different ending sequence with Joker. Not just a sign that says "Shepard has died! Restart mission?"

[Eire Icon]

I don't get it either OP

The Reapers are on the verge of victory, earth is getting destroyed, and Shepard is simply not in a position to bargin or negotiate

For me (and its purely my own opinion) were Shepard to refuse to choose the starchild would simply say

"Very well then the cycle will continue"

What possible motivation would Shepard have not to choose? His mission is to stop the reapers at all costs, he has now been given that option.

People complain that the ending goes against the themes of the ME series. One constant is that Shepard is determined to fight the Reapers, the player has no choice here (Logically enough). For Shepard to turn around and refuse to end the Reaper threat to me at least is completely illogical

[GiarcYekrub]

Synthsis wins for me, everytime.

[The Angry One]

Funkdrspot wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Because extinction is preferable to submission.

And no, non-standard game overs don't count. Stop pretending they do.

But who is being placed in submission? No one. You're just dramaticizing the outcome because you don't like it.

You are submitting to the will and agenda of the Reaper commander. I'm not dramaticising anything.
He controls the Reapers. They are his solution. His own words. You are doing what he says.

[The Angry One]

GiarcYekrub wrote...

Synthsis wins for me, everytime.

You should've just let Saren kill you and save yourself a whole lot of work then.

[The Angry One]

Eire Icon wrote...

I don't get it either OP

The Reapers are on the verge of victory, earth is getting destroyed, and Shepard is simply not in a position to bargin or negotiate

For me (and its purely my own opinion) were Shepard to refuse to choose the starchild would simply say

"Very well then the cycle will continue"

What possible motivation would Shepard have not to choose? His mission is to stop the reapers at all costs, he has now been given that option.

People complain that the ending goes against the themes of the ME series. One constant is that Shepard is determined to fight the Reapers, the player has no choice here (Logically enough). For Shepard to turn around and refuse to end the Reaper threat to me at least is completely illogical

Because Shepard would end the Reaper threat ON THEIR TERMS, not the Reaper's.
The real Shepard would put their faith in the fleet to defeat the Reapers conventionally, not Reaper space magic to maybe end the Reaper threat (because the lying Reaper king in front of you says so?).

Modifié par The Angry One, 16 avril 2012 - 12:28 .

[cogsandcurls]

Eire Icon wrote...

What possible motivation would Shepard have not to choose? His mission is to stop the reapers at all costs, he has now been given that option.

Integrity?

You may not agree with that but thing is, everybody's Shep is different, and at least some of them ARE going to be about death-before-compromise.

[xxskyshadowxx]

Funkdrspot wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Because extinction is preferable to submission.

And no, non-standard game overs don't count. Stop pretending they do.

But who is being placed in submission? No one. You're just dramaticizing the outcome because you don't like it.

Just because your Shepard is the kind of person who would just blindly follow the advice of a Reaper and choose one of it's "solutions," despite the many, many problems with all three of the choices doesn't mean that everyone's Shepard should have to be that weak and mindless. The developers themselves said it's all about player choice after all. There should be a "B.S." response choice as well.

[Funkdrspot]

cogsandcurls wrote...

Funkdrspot wrote...

If you're that turned off by having to decide and you think you should be able to 'defy' the starchild, then don't pick anything. Shepard bleeds out on the Citadel, the fleets lose to the reapers and the current cycle ends. Simple as that.

Honestly if they gave me a twenty-second cutscene of that actually happenning instead of a sign that goes "WE'RE NOT GOING TO SHOW YOU BUT THE CRUCIBLE IS DESTROYED WOULD YOU LIKE TO TRY AGAIN?", then I would be happy to do this. As it stands, it's no more an "ending" than getting shot down by Mr. Shields.

ME2 did this right. You get Shep killed at the end, you get a different ending sequence with Joker. Not just a sign that says "Shepard has died! Restart mission?"

I can respect your POV to the point that I wish they had included it too, if only for lulz to see Shepard & co die like in ME 2.

[Funkdrspot]

xxskyshadowxx wrote...

Funkdrspot wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Because extinction is preferable to submission.

And no, non-standard game overs don't count. Stop pretending they do.

But who is being placed in submission? No one. You're just dramaticizing the outcome because you don't like it.

Just because your Shepard is the kind of person who would just blindly follow the advice of a Reaper and choose one of it's "solutions," despite the many, many problems with all three of the choices doesn't mean that everyone's Shepard should have to be that weak and mindless. The developers themselves said it's all about player choice after all. There should be a "B.S." response choice as well.

I take it reading isn't your strong suit...it choices aren't the starchild's solutions, they're literally built into the citadel/crucible. It's how the machine was meant to work. Period.

Next you'll be telling me it's weak willed to expect guns to work by pulling the trigger.

[The Angry One]

Funkdrspot wrote...

I can respect your POV to the point that I wish they had included it too, if only for lulz to see Shepard & co die like in ME 2.

You appear to have convinced yourself that fighting the Reapers is impossible. That there's no other way.
That submission is preferable to extinction.

You may enjoy playing as Saren, but I got ME3 to play as Commander Shepard.

[Jassu1979]

Here's B5's version of the "reject" option:




You are trapped in this cycle as much as we are.
But we don't need it, and we don't need you:
We've learned how to stand on our own.
We'll make mistakes; but they'll be our mistakes.
We can find our own way between order and chaos. It's over because we decided it's over.

NOW GET THE HELL OUT OF OUR GALAXY!!!

*That* would have been in line with Shepard's character, regardless of whether you're paragon or renegade.
What Shepard did in ME3's conclusion was more along the line of what Saren intended all along.

[Tsantilas]

The Angry One wrote...

GiarcYekrub wrote...

Synthsis wins for me, everytime.

You should've just let Saren kill you and save yourself a whole lot of work then.

Except that Saren was being controlled by the reapers, and I don't think letting Saren have his way with things would have the same result as the synthesis option in ME3.  It's supposedly an "ascension" option on your own terms, not being controlled by the reapers.

People need to stop being so self righteous and acting like anyone who doesn't choose destroy is wrong.  There is no "evil" choice.

Modifié par Tsantilas, 16 avril 2012 - 12:34 .

[The Angry One]

Jassu1979 wrote...

Here's B5's version of the "reject" option:




You are trapped in this cycle as much as we are.
But we don't need it, and we don't need you:
We've learned how to stand on our own.
We'll make mistakes; but they'll be our mistakes.
We can find our own way between order and chaos. It's over because we decided it's over.

NOW GET THE HELL OUT OF OUR GALAXY!!!

*That* would have been in line with Shepard's character, regardless of whether you're paragon or renegade.
What Shepard did in ME3's conclusion was more along the line of what Saren intended all along.

+9000

[Funkdrspot]

The Angry One wrote...

Eire Icon wrote...

I don't get it either OP

The Reapers are on the verge of victory, earth is getting destroyed, and Shepard is simply not in a position to bargin or negotiate

For me (and its purely my own opinion) were Shepard to refuse to choose the starchild would simply say

"Very well then the cycle will continue"

What possible motivation would Shepard have not to choose? His mission is to stop the reapers at all costs, he has now been given that option.

People complain that the ending goes against the themes of the ME series. One constant is that Shepard is determined to fight the Reapers, the player has no choice here (Logically enough). For Shepard to turn around and refuse to end the Reaper threat to me at least is completely illogical

Because Shepard would end the Reaper threat ON THEIR TERMS, not the Reaper's.
The real Shepard would put their faith in the fleet to defeat the Reapers conventionally, not Reaper space magic to maybe end the Reaper threat (because the lying Reaper king in front of you says so?).

Why would Shepard put faith in a conventional victory when we've already been told throughout the whole game that it's not an option. Period, point blank. The reapers are too strong even with all the galaxy's militaries.

And what was the point of building the crucible in the first place if a conventional victory was possible? 

[The Angry One]

Tsantilas wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

GiarcYekrub wrote...

Synthsis wins for me, everytime.

You should've just let Saren kill you and save yourself a whole lot of work then.

Except that saren was being controlled by the reapers, and I don't letting saren have his way with things would have the same result as the synthesis option in ME3.  It's supposedly an "ascension" option on your own terms, not being controlled by the reapers.

People need to stop being so self righteous and acting like anyone who doesn't choose destroy is wrong.  There is no "evil" choice.

You know what? You take any of those options, then so are you.

[mbr.to]

word up op.
absolutely true.

people are asking for the "sacrifice everyone (except me)" option
what a hero xD