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[We Tigers]

The forum population is not representative of the larger game pop. Of course people who post on here and are all about multiplayer are going to be fine with low level silver characters. That's probably 1-2% of the actual user base, especially on consoles. A random match consisting of players from BSN would be a far different beast than an ordinary random match.

I can usually beat silver if my team is subpar, but I don't want to be tossed into a "welp, time to solo" situation most matches. When I play with other people, I want them to be helpful, not loads that make a silver match run 30 minutes. If I wanted to go it alone, I would just do that from the outset. That's why I just leave lobbies full of questionable ranks.

[We Tigers]

If a level 1 has Widow X, I'm sure he's fine. Most level 1 silver infiltrators in public games will be rolling with a Mantis III. "Everyone has the best weapons at X and knows how to use them" isn't realistic.

[djshari]

My friends tend to be pickier than I am and they base it on N7 level more than actual char level, if it comes down to it they look at weapons as well.

[KainD]

I start in silver pubs with level 1 characters after I promote. It's fine.

[Bob Garbage]

An experienced player with a highly levelled weapon does not need powers to get kills on silver. I will play silver around level 9 or so usually.

[AldarionnEB]

paincanbefun wrote...

the few rude responses this post received illustrate my point perfectly.

the question has very little to do with what it is possible to accomplish with a low level character and much more to do with how much trust i have in people i don't know that i have anonymous interaction with online, and how much they should expect me to have when they group for a public game.

players who look completely legitimate can still play poorly, or what's worse in my opinion, inconsiderately.  players who look suspicious are asking for extra trust.

especially to elitists who think that i s*ck because i can't win every silver, whatever my teammates' contribution: if your respect for me- not knowing me- is so little, why would you expect my respect for you, not knowing you either, to be any higher, when you want me to group in silver with your level 2 vanguard? 

So here's a situation for you. My buddy does nothing lower than Silver. Ever. He joined a game the other day with his freshly promoted Quarian Infiltrator and two people voted to kick him (his N7 is at 400). He switched to his level 15 adept and they did the match. His score was higher than everyone else combined, and he had multiple revives. The next game, he switched back to the level 1 Quarian Infiltrator and nobody said a thing. In that match, his score was tripple the next highest person and he did both 4-point capture objectives by himself.

Now, my question to you is, do you tolerate level 1's in a match in this situation? You just played a game with the person and saw them in action, and they then switch to a new character that is level 1. The weapon they are using is at level X, and they have an N7 rating of 400+. Do you still vote to kick?

[Bob Garbage]

Not to mention, if you do not wish to play in a match with a low level character, quit and find a new match. It's not up to me to make you happy, or gain your trust. If you're not going to play with friends or find similarly skilled players, you have to deal with what you get. Really don't get the point in complaining about it.

[Unorthodox Monk]

I don't agree with the whole "N7 means nothing" jabber. Plenty of new players have level 20 characters with <100 N7 because they've been playing the same class since they started. They're new and new players do reckless stuff.

I take a look at the classes in the lobby, what they're equipped with (gun levels), then decide what kind of challenge I'm in the mood for - aka how much work I feel like doing.

The only thing I can't stand are people that quit early. I'd rather play with someone who scores 10k points than someone who goes down, blames it on the team, and quits only to immediately join a new game.

[paincanbefun]

frudi wrote...

1 very good player, 2 good players or 3 solid players can carry a silver game, regardless of map or enemy. That means there is at least one spot for a level 1 character on any at least decent team. Don't believe me? Just think about all your silver matches - I'm sure you'll realise the majority of them included that one almost useless character that ends up with like 5% of the total score. And he wasn't even a level 1. So, if you trust yourself and the team, give the level 1 guy a chance, he may just surprise you; and if he doesn't, the rest of you should be able to carry him for that one round.

So, when I read all the complaining about low level characters on silver, specially guys that go to all sorts of extremes (level 12+ miminum!?) all it really spells out to me is 'I think our team already sucks, so we are really looking for someone good to carry us; get your level 1 ass out of here so a level 20 AA can come to make it easy for us'. Your problem with wiping too often isn't the level 1 Vanguard with Widow X or Claymore X or a Valiant - he might just hold his own, even against phantoms and banshees. The problem is the rest of you guys are probably a mix of half-useful classes with poor weapons that can't dish out any proper damage and/or crowd control. Have fun against phantoms and banshees with your arsenal of phaestons, vipers, phalanxes and eviscerators... and as you get skewered by a phantom, spare a thought for the kicked level 1 SI and his faithful Widow X

i picked this dissenting post to respond to because it's articulate and (mostly) polite.

your first paragraph is true, and if you are personally good enough to reliably solo silver, and you don't mind taking 30 min to play your games, then your attitude makes sense.  i can't solo silver.  if i could, i would only be playing in gold.  i can solo bronze, carry sometimes in silver and contribute in gold.  based on the supposed completion rate of gold matches, according to bioware, this puts me significantly above average.

you sound like your general expectations of your teammates are based on playing voiced games with friends.  i'm talking about playing silent games with 3 strangers- each one of them might be afk, or your 5% guy.  there is always a fair chance of at least 1 person who is useless, despite n7, weapons or toon level- as you say.  adding additional people less likely to fully contribute will only make 3 manning harder.

many dissenting posts have said, in essence, low level characters might be better than me.  this is true.  but if what you mean is: character level is no indication whatsoever of contribution, you are wrong.  with a gun class, if you hit every head shot, yes, it will make up for your -20% base damage, but for a caster class, the lack of powerful explosions, aoe and evolved drones means that you are significantly less useful.

you might not consider me a "good" player by your standards.  that's fine.  but "i don't want to carry someone" does not mean "i want to be carried".  it means that wave 10 on silver is challenging for me, and i want three other solid players to ensure completion.  that way, if one goes afk, or is dumb, we still have three left.

my point is not that a lvl1 can't be good.  they might be awesome.  my point is that my expectation of strangers is low.  i have never seen or heard anything from anyone on forums or on mic to make me think that this is not an absolutely unanimous opinion.  if you do not know someone, you will not trust that they are good- if you have any degree of playing experience.

THAT is my point: a low level character is asking to be trusted.  i don't know for a fact that they're not an utter expert.  i just have no reason to believe so in advance.

[paincanbefun]

AldarionnEB wrote...

Now, my question to you is, do you tolerate level 1's in a match in this situation? You just played a game with the person and saw them in action, and they then switch to a new character that is level 1. The weapon they are using is at level X, and they have an N7 rating of 400+. Do you still vote to kick?

first off, i don't vote to kick.  i leave the lobby.  i also don't ever leave any match unless my lag is unplayable or someone is directly insulting on mic, which has only happened once.  this means i'm sellective about teammates.

i have never seen a level one dominate in silver, but i certainly believe that there are some people who are good enough to do it.  if i felt like the person could contribute, then yes, i would play with them.

i degroup to level my toons and use the store, so usually it's 3 strangers every time.  i've never seen the circumstance you describe.

[paincanbefun]

Bob Garbage wrote...

Not to mention, if you do not wish to play in a match with a low level character, quit and find a new match. It's not up to me to make you happy, or gain your trust. If you're not going to play with friends or find similarly skilled players, you have to deal with what you get. Really don't get the point in complaining about it.

see above, or reread OP.

[Creakazoid]

The only time I care when low-levels want to attempt silver with me is when they have crappy guns (usually for people on their first or second toon). If a level 5 or so has a good gun, say a GPS or a Black Widow for instance, they can easily hang in with the big boys on silver. With a point or two in Fitness (or the equivalent), they can easily be regarded as a Soldier-class character while having decent survivability.

Modifié par Creakazoid, 16 avril 2012 - 06:45 .

[AldarionnEB]

If you leave in between matches to level up and buy equipment, that is your prerogative, and you are setting yourself up for this. I only leave a lobby if the people I played with sucked, or I have to take an extended AFK. If the people were reasonable, most of them tolerate the 2-3 minutes it takes me to spend the points I got leveling, or buy a Specter Pack and load up equipment/etc...and I tolerate it when they do the same thing. It doesn't slow us down much, especially when I end up in a group of good players and we are smoothly demolishing match after match.

Perhaps you should try it sometime. You get on a roll when you are working with the same people over and over, and you start to learn how they play. In fact, I've met several of my friends that I play with regularly this way. A guy and I duo'ed a bronze once when I was testing a new build (we didn't want to wait for the other spots to fill), and we chatted the whole way through the match. There was no work involved, just playing and testing out my power/weapon combo. I've since played multiple Silver and Gold matches with him. Give people a chance and you can find some really good teammates out there.

[staindgrey]

Knubbsal wrote...

One can never be too low for a silver game.

Correction:

A competent one can never be too low for a silver game.

[DHKany]

Ferretinabun wrote...

I usually wait until I'm lv 16 ish before I feel confident enough to try silver. But it depends on the build. Some you get the hang of pretty damn quickly and they don't really need a high level to be effective - say around 10/11.

Having said that, I never kick anyone just for having a low score. If they want to give it a go on silver, more power to them. I won't babysit them on silver like I might on bronze, though. If they croak, all the more points for me.

this. Anyways some classes are actually pretty effective and handy even at low levels (adepts, especially drell for me and my geth engineer )

[Wentletrap]

Can someone give me some advice to get ready for silver?

- N7 50ish (will be ~100 after I promote some characters).
- have lvl 1 Carnifex / Claymore / GPS, and a lvl 7 Shuriken.
- I play a Geth Eng and throw out Overloads and healing turrets. Happy to support.

Basically, I wonder if I should buy recruit packs to get some sort of decent gun, or just keep saving up for the bigger packs and rares.

Thanks

[dios.mio]

When I promote a toon, I always do 2-3 bronze games before going to silver.

But this one time after promoting my engineer, took her as lvl1 to a random bronze game. As we were about to start, host changed difficulty to silver - I thought fine, might be fun, was kinda skeptical to this before. Well the run was completely smooth and my lvl1 enginner was at the top of the score board with 20k or so advantage.

What I'm trying to say with this, your gun matters a LOT. Was using Carnifex X... @Wentletrap: Go for the fex.

[vladgd]

ill join a silver game at level 1, it's freaking silver.

bronze is a waste of time.

[paincanbefun]

AldarionnEB wrote...

Give people a chance and you can find some really good teammates out there.

maybe so 

[Wentletrap]

dios.mio wrote...
What I'm trying to say with this, your gun matters a LOT. Was using Carnifex X... @Wentletrap: Go for the fex.

Thanks for the advice... but do upgrades for a rare gun like the Carnifex only come from the Spectre packs? 
If so, I'm wondering if I should just spam recruit packs, and just get *something* to level X. 

[RaphDS]

Unorthodox Monk wrote...

I don't agree with the whole "N7 means nothing" jabber. Plenty of new players have level 20 characters with <100 N7 because they've been playing the same class since they started. They're new and new players do reckless stuff.

I take a look at the classes in the lobby, what they're equipped with (gun levels), then decide what kind of challenge I'm in the mood for - aka how much work I feel like doing.

The only thing I can't stand are people that quit early. I'd rather play with someone who scores 10k points than someone who goes down, blames it on the team, and quits only to immediately join a new game.

AMEN. Better a level 1 guy putting extra damage or drawing fire from me than somebody who drops. Or worse, the guy who already earned us some 10k points but left and the team does not get those 10k points.
 
And I think nothing is as insulting as getting kicked by N7's who are level 20, on their high-horse level 20 characters, while you're level 12 or so but sport N7400+. I mean, come on! You think I can't help you, having been at the top and back?

[Ashilana]

paincanbefun wrote...

i usually leave the lobby if there is a player below about 14 for silver, but i see so many people do this that i wonder how common my attitude is.  what level, in your opinion, (for a person you don't know) is too low for silver?

Personally I kick anyone below 10 for silver.  Or anyone with a ridiculous loadout (adept with two heavy weapons, vanguard with sniper rifle, guns with no recoil with a recoil dampener, etc.).

For gold, if my friends and I need a 4th we kick anyone who isn't 20 and doesn't have their weapons modded.

[azbykker30]

I was doing pretty much just gold lately. I didn't promote any of my level 20s until this week just because I wasn't looking forward to having almost no functionality. Did one round on bronze and it was so boringly easy. That got me to like level 5 or something. Did silver then for more fun/better xp and still got first place at the completion of the game with nearly double the score of the 2nd place lvl 20. Check their N7 and gear before automatically vote-kicking a low level. I'd rather have someone that knows what they are doing than a lvl 20 human soldier with a default avenger. See a ton of those.