If a really low level joins on silver, I look at the loadout to determine if they are good enough.
too low for silver
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paincanbefun
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#77
Posté 16 avril 2012 - 09:08
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Wentletrap wrote...
dios.mio wrote...
What I'm trying to say with this, your gun matters a LOT. Was using Carnifex X...@Wentletrap: Go for the fex.
Thanks for the advice... but do upgrades for a rare gun like the Carnifex only come from the Spectre packs?
If so, I'm wondering if I should just spam recruit packs, and just get *something* to level X.
Carnifex is a rare weapon, meaning you are guaranteed to get a rare (Yellow card) from spectre packs. From veteran I think it is 5% chance for a rare. If you are going for the fex (or any other specific weapon for that matter), keep in mind that it might take really many spectre packs if you are unlucky due to the amount of weapons in the game. Nice site to show which weapon is of which quality is here. But as the weapons gain damage and "lose weight" when ranking up, the "crappier" weapons might be much better than rare on rank 1.
If you don't have any "decent" weapons yet, I'd recommend you to go for recruit packs and get the basic weapons to rank X first. It's very cheap.
Something on topic: I disagree with the idea that N7 rank does not mean anything, if you promoted over 20 characters it does actually mean that you know the enemies and maps very well and know exactly what to expect, also that you piled up some credits already and got some weapons... If you met some high rank person who performed poorly, and I think we all did, chances are it was his/her sibling playing, was drunk, was at work/school, was getting harrassed or just didn't care at all about the outcome....
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Posté 16 avril 2012 - 09:47
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i dont think lvl matters, i went into a silver game as lvl 5 adept and scored highest with a score of over 80K. It just depends on the player, and if they are smart when using their character
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Posté 16 avril 2012 - 10:34
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I understand being sceptical of low level characters; even I am, as hypocritical as that is, considering I regularly take freshly promoted level 1s to silver. But, as so many have already stated, at least check out the guy's N7 and loadout. Granted, N7 may not mean much and even a good weapon doesn't mean he can handle it well; but at least you know that someone with N7 500 and a gold weapon X has gone through a fair number of games and should therefore have a good grasp of things.
And as has also already been stated, the weapon matters, a whole damn lot actually. And not just for 'combat' classes, even level 1 adepts and vanguards can dominate with stuff like Valiant, (Black) Widow, GPS, Claymore, even Carnifex, all the more if the gun is high level. Cooldown doesn't matter anyway, since you can't spam any powers yet, so you might as well just use your most effective weapon, regardless of weight.
That's why I don't understand all the 'I auto-kick if level < N' people. Not even considering other criteria, such as loadout and N7, just seems way to ignorant to me. Their attitude does make outscoring their level 20 characters with my Valiant wielding level 1 adept that much sweeter though.
And as has also already been stated, the weapon matters, a whole damn lot actually. And not just for 'combat' classes, even level 1 adepts and vanguards can dominate with stuff like Valiant, (Black) Widow, GPS, Claymore, even Carnifex, all the more if the gun is high level. Cooldown doesn't matter anyway, since you can't spam any powers yet, so you might as well just use your most effective weapon, regardless of weight.
That's why I don't understand all the 'I auto-kick if level < N' people. Not even considering other criteria, such as loadout and N7, just seems way to ignorant to me. Their attitude does make outscoring their level 20 characters with my Valiant wielding level 1 adept that much sweeter though
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Posté 16 avril 2012 - 11:17
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frudi wrote...
...my Valiant wielding level 1 adept...
actually, i would consider that a non-standard loadout that would surprise me. your reasoning about cds sounds like you know what you're talking about, and i'm sure you can play that setup, but i think many people would find an adept with a sniper odd.
something that surprises me (and perhaps shouldn't) about this thread is that some people are very quick to say that other people they haven't played with are stupid for... whatever, using a phalanx, playing a "half-useful class" or being unable to solo silver- yet they themselves expect to be treated like experts- by people they haven't played with.
that's not directed at the person i quoted, by the way, although, to him i would say that caution isn't ignorance.
seeing so many people who think that low level toons, in their experience, have been just as well played, makes me willing to at least see whether i find that to be true also. i'll leave less lobbies that way, at least.
but anyone who gets b*tthurt about strangers in the lobby not treating their level 2 whatever as though it were being played by jesus should examine their own baseline assumptions about other players. you probably think that there's a lot of idiots out there too- why are you surprised that other people don't assume you aren't one of them?
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Posté 16 avril 2012 - 11:24
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What he said. More often than not, my experience has been that players with higher-level, more powerful guns have done a better job of holding their own on my team than some random Level 18 Asari who spends all of her time outside of cover and doing dumb things. High character levels don't often mean much as far as sheer damage output goes, and I'll go with somebody who has a higher N7 rating below Level 10 than somebody with a Level 20 Engineer with an N7 of 59 any day.Baine10 wrote...
To me the guns, not the level, matter. It's fine as long as your character is level 3 and above for silver as long as you possess a level 10 gun, and make up for the lack of level with mark 3 equipment.
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Posté 16 avril 2012 - 11:33
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Yeah, I am not great by any means, but I can pull my own with a level 1 character and a decent weapon, carnifex, mattock, widow, black widow or what ever fits my character and mood.
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Posté 17 avril 2012 - 01:02
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paincanbefun wrote...
actually, i would consider that a non-standard loadout that would surprise me. your reasoning about cds sounds like you know what you're talking about, and i'm sure you can play that setup, but i think many people would find an adept with a sniper odd.
To clarify, I normally use Carnifex on my adepts (and other 'casters'), it's just for very low level characters (up to maybe level 5) that I use such 'non-standard' weapons. Because, as I've said, cooldown doesn't matter when you have no effective powers to use, so you might as well just use whatever weapon you're most proficient with. In my case, that is usually the Valiant, but other times I could also be using the Widow or Claymore, or maybe something else entirely if I'm feeling funky
paincanbefun wrote...
something that surprises me (and perhaps shouldn't) about this thread is that some people are very quick to say that other people they haven't played with are stupid for... whatever, using a phalanx, playing a "half-useful class" or being unable to solo silver- yet they themselves expect to be treated like experts- by people they haven't played with.
that's not directed at the person i quoted, by the way, although, to him i would say that caution isn't ignorance.
It's not really about other people's setups being stupid, I apologise if that's how any of my remarks came across. It's just that with mileage comes experience to recognise which combinations of classes and loadouts will work and which may or will have problems. There's nothing wrong with someone using a class or weapon they enjoy, even when it's far from 'optimal' in the sense of damage output or crowd control. It's a game we play for fun after all, so I have no problem with people using what's just plain fun for them.
Buuuut... if you see three guys with no heavy weapons and no biotics in the group, it's not hard to predict there will be problems. You just can't take down most upper tier enemies efficiently without some heavy hitters. That's why I use a phrase like 'half-useful' - some builds and loadouts shine regardless of the map and enemy, some are highly situational and others are mediocre at best. You can't expect to do well with a team of soldiers and engineers when unknown enemy comes up reapers and you get a hack objective on wave 10
. paincanbefun wrote...
seeing so many people who think that low level toons, in their experience, have been just as well played, makes me willing to at least see whether i find that to be true also. i'll leave less lobbies that way, at least.
This is nice to hear and it's pretty much all that I'm arguing for - just give those level 1s a chance. If they turn out to suck, you can still kick them after you wipe out on wave 5
. paincanbefun wrote...
but anyone who gets b*tthurt about strangers in the lobby not treating their level 2 whatever as though it were being played by jesus should examine their own baseline assumptions about other players. you probably think that there's a lot of idiots out there too- why are you surprised that other people don't assume you aren't one of them?
I know there are a lot of, hmmm, let's say 'usefulness-deprived' players out there. But recognising them takes more than just looking at their character level.
Modifié par frudi, 17 avril 2012 - 01:03 .
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Posté 17 avril 2012 - 01:06
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People who absolutely love their class, and play it all the time, can promote it and play Silver/Gold under level ten no problem.
The problem here is, of course, knowing whether they're that good ahead of time, in the lobby.
If their N7 is above a certain number, I'll trust them to know what they're doing. If they're still Packing an Avenger II or have some silly loadouts, I'll probably leave instead of beginning the kick-party.
The problem here is, of course, knowing whether they're that good ahead of time, in the lobby.
If their N7 is above a certain number, I'll trust them to know what they're doing. If they're still Packing an Avenger II or have some silly loadouts, I'll probably leave instead of beginning the kick-party.
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Posté 17 avril 2012 - 01:21
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paincanbefun wrote...
personally, i'm annoyed when people want to bring a level 5 character into a public silver game. even if their high n7 means that they can stay alive- if everyone else holds the line- their utility is low.
about a third of my pub silvers fail anyway, even with all 20s, so asking us to take a handicap right off the bat so you level faster seems rude to me. it is also asking me to trust that the player can stay alive in the first place, and while some certainly can, if i don't know you, why would i assume anything?
i usually leave the lobby if there is a player below about 14 for silver, but i see so many people do this that i wonder how common my attitude is. what level, in your opinion, (for a person you don't know) is too low for silver?
Hmm best not to judge a book by it's cover. I don't touch Bronze and go into silver matches at level 1 after promoting and not once have I not been in first place by the end of it.
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Posté 17 avril 2012 - 01:58
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to frudi:
that's funny. i wasn't directing "half-useful" at my quoted passage, but i didn't realize you wrote the earlier passage i actually was referring to also.
and yes, an lvl 1 asari who snipes a bunch of good headshots and then only uses stasis on the actual phantoms, for instance, does make sense, its just not something that occurred to me before.
i definitely appreciate your politeness, and i've seen more reasonable opinion expressed contrary to my own here than i expected, so i'll give the lowbies a shot.
good luck with your n7 weapon drops.
that's funny. i wasn't directing "half-useful" at my quoted passage, but i didn't realize you wrote the earlier passage i actually was referring to also.
and yes, an lvl 1 asari who snipes a bunch of good headshots and then only uses stasis on the actual phantoms, for instance, does make sense, its just not something that occurred to me before.
i definitely appreciate your politeness, and i've seen more reasonable opinion expressed contrary to my own here than i expected, so i'll give the lowbies a shot.
good luck with your n7 weapon drops.
