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[Eonassassin]

Ok so I find Jowan one of the most annoying characters in this game especially if you are a mage origin. May be its his voice but hes such a freakin cry baby!! From the first time you meet him, he has basically decided to act as your little **** and asks you for help and acts as if he can't even perform the simplest tasks on his own (at this point I just felt sorry for the guy) 
Then he busts out with some high level blood magic (I have nothing against blood magic, in fact I am all for freedom of magic) this part totally pisses me off. When I run into him at redcliffe of course he has done something mind blowingly stupid again and hes crying again and asking me for help. I let him live out of mercy and then later I let Eamon execute him. 
So am I the only one who doesn't like this guy?

[The Capital Gaultier]

I like him. Be boring if everyone was Marcus Fenix.

[interesting03]

"I've got my angry face on"
"MAKER'S BREATH"
"Who wants their hair on fire?"

Jowan is awesome, he says the most damnable things.

Edit: On a more serious note, he was bloody annoying in the mage origin. Especially when he whined about not being able to move the book case alone.

Modifié par interesting03, 06 décembre 2009 - 11:35 .

[Chezdon]

He is incredibly whingey. I wanted to punch his face in! I still helped him though. Not sure what I'll do with him in Redcliffe yet though. First play through I saved him, but I might be a bit more naughty this time

[Eonassassin]

interesting03 wrote...

"I've got my angry face on"
"MAKER'S BREATH"
"Who wants their hair on fire?"

Jowan is awesome, he says the most damnable things.

Edit: On a more serious note, he was bloody annoying in the mage origin. Especially when he whined about not being able to move the book case alone.

Your avatar looks like Bhelen lol..... Man I HATED him after playing the dwarf noble origin... but its sad since he makes the better king >< Harrowmont may be nice but he doesn't know how to run a country/city whatever 
Sorry OT

Modifié par Eonassassin, 06 décembre 2009 - 11:43 .

[Starmartyr]

My only wish for the ending of the game, is that I can butcher that whiney little SoB in terrible ways and then resurect him (because I'm a mage) and kill him again.

[Seagloom]

Jowan *is* a tad whiny in the magi origin, yes. That improves somewhat when you meet him again in Redcliffe castle. However, I liked the guy despite his obvious character flaws. Before the mage origin he made bad choices stemming from a great deal of naïveté. Although it should be noted many of his fellows made this exact choice as evidenced in the Broken Circle quest. I doubt they were all as blissfully ignorant to the consequences as Jowan was; seeing as they planned to start a revolution and break away from Chantry supervision.

After Jowan flees the tower he makes another bad choice by not questioning Loghain's orders despite witnessing firsthand that Arl Eamon was not so terrible as implied. He justifies it by believing that someone with Loghain's reputation could not possibly be wrong; plus accomplishing the assassination gets him back into the Circle of Magi's good graces.

All in all, I found Jowan one of the more interesting and... ~gasp!~ human NPCs. Jowan grows in the little screen time he gets compared to a party member. I tried killing him in his cell once because it was what my character in that aborted playthrough would do; but I had to reload afterwards because it felt so horrible after he so clearly repented. Bottom line? Yes, he can be annoying. I would not have it any other way.

Modifié par Seagloom, 06 décembre 2009 - 12:16 .

[Starmartyr]

Mostly it is his voice that really irritates me. whenever I have to talk to him, I just turn off my speakers.

[NarcissaArtois]

I can't stand him! From the moment that I woke up from the harrowing, and he was already whinning about how he had been at the circle longer, when was it going to be his turn. Then I go and see Irving and he tells me its my special day! But does Jowan care that its my special day? NOOOOOO he follows me like a freakin stalker to Duncan's room and ambushes me outside the door with more of his problems. Great! I have been a full mage for one day and he already wants me to risk it all to help him and his initiate. During the origins quest I said to Jowan to just move the bookshelf...I meant it in a joking sort of way...since apparenty we were suppost to be friends forever. And his whinny "I cant do it by myself" response made me wish I could hit him.
He lied to me about being a bloodmage, I lied about helping him, since I told Irving...oh but when I meet him at redcliffe apparently my lying about actually helping him is worse then he basically tried to trick me into letting a bloodmage escape. Apparently at this point, if you do not kill him...he escapes and you get a side quest later on where once again you have decide to kill him or not.
I wanted to scream when I got to the sacred ashes and Jowan showed up again, TELLING ME HE FORGAVE ME or some crap like that. I wanted to scream...I didn't feel any remorse for him...I did however feel bad for Lily. I do with there was more I could have done for her. After all, I guess I could kind of relate to Lily since my mage had a thing for Cullen.

Modifié par NarcissaArtois, 06 décembre 2009 - 12:18 .

[Eonassassin]

NarcissaArtois wrote...

I wanted to scream when I got to the sacred ashes and Jowan showed up again, TELLING ME HE FORGAVE ME or some crap like that. I wanted to scream...I didn't feel any remorse for him...I did however feel bad for Lily. I do with there was more I could have done for her. After all, I guess I could kind of relate to Lily since my mage had a thing for Cullen.

Seriously what a douche, he betrays you, nearly kills the only old geezer who can help you stop loghain, betrays his "best" friend, betrays his lover, teachs a snot nosed kid magic that he cant control and then f***ing dares to "forgive" you! grrrr 

[NarcissaArtois]

Eonassassin wrote...

NarcissaArtois wrote...

I wanted to scream when I got to the sacred ashes and Jowan showed up again, TELLING ME HE FORGAVE ME or some crap like that. I wanted to scream...I didn't feel any remorse for him...I did however feel bad for Lily. I do with there was more I could have done for her. After all, I guess I could kind of relate to Lily since my mage had a thing for Cullen.

Seriously what a douche, he betrays you, nearly kills the only old geezer who can help you stop loghain, betrays his "best" friend, betrays his lover, teachs a snot nosed kid magic that he cant control and then f***ing dares to "forgive" you! grrrr 

I think the problem with Jowan, especially if you are a mage, is that there is no connection. They tell you that you have been life long friends...but I just don't feel it. With some of the other origins you feel attachment to the characters from your origins. When I played a noble...I ended up being pretty rage driven to the end...and got teary during the sacred ashes quest. With the mage....with jowan...might has well just met him that day for all the connection that was there. Damn, I wish I could have made him tranquil.

[apantoliani]

Jowan is annoying due to his huge inability to realize almost all his problems are of his own doing. It's like a huge chain of events that lead back to him being a screw up.

1) Uses blood magic because he sucks as a mage. Instead of studying extra hard, getting help, blah blah, he 'dabbles' in a forbidden art that gets circles cleaned. And by cleaned, I don't mean by maids. Seriously, I find it hard to believe that mages getting nervous about the Harrowing or sucking is really uncommon. It probably happens all the time. The codex entry on a Tranquil, the guy even admits he chose that route because he was too scared to do the Harrowing. You don't have to be a good mage to survive the Harrowing, you have to have a strong will to not be suckered by a demon.

2) He decides he likes a girl. Cool. From the Chantry. DANGER WILL ROBINSON.

3) Through #2, he finds out he is going to be made tranquil. Not because he sucks, mind you. But because they suspect him of #1. Whoops. What does he do, come clean? Nope, proceeds to #4.

4) With his girlfriend whom is supposed to be playing for the other team (Chantry, lol) he decides he wants to escape (illegal), destroy his phylactery so he can't be tracked (also illegal) so he can't be made a tranquil (his own damn fault). To do this, he breaks into a bunch of rooms in the basement, destroying all the guards, breaking through a wall, my mage was with him so probably stealing ****... you get the idea.

5) He gets caught. Considering the line of stupidity up til this point, it's no surprise. I do think Irving should have probably tipped Gregor off to Jowan, the whole "I want Lily to get caught too" is petty. How about, take the higher road because the stake of all the mages in the tower can rest on ONE blood mage due to the Chantry being filled with a bunch of suspicious religious crazies.

Off the soap box and back to #5. Instead of manning up, fessing and taking it like a man, he rationalizes everything wrong he had done up until that point as not his fault, cries that it's unfair and then goes blood-mage psycho, thereby proving everyone was indeed right about him. Revealing his girlfriend to be an idiot of huge proportions, Irving to be a petty mage and Gregor to well, blame the PC even though the PC naturally had no option. It wasn't like I could track down Gregor to tattle - I tried.

THANKS JOWAN, YOU ASS. While I wasn't a big fan of getting pretty much 'rescued' from the tower because Jowan is such a screw up and taking the heat for it because the templars who thought he was a blood mage were snoozing on the job, my mage was glad to leave. That tower was filled with tools.

I could go on to how he goes to Redcliffe and somehow thinks it's a good idea to fool a nobleman's wife into thinking he's there to tutor her apostate kid as an apostate and then poison the said nobleman at the same time. And what happens to Connor? The exact **** that is the very reason why mages are sent to the tower to begin with, Isolde might not have known better, but Jowan having lived there his whole life would. First thing he says when you run into him?

It wasn't me! Whiiiine. Let me try and help fix it. Oh no buddy, you've fixed enough.

Wynne, Alistair, Leliana, go ahead and disprove, I'm doing mage-kind a favor when I off this little ****.

edit: fixed rage-typos

Modifié par apantoliani, 06 décembre 2009 - 06:18 .

[BroBear Berbil]

I like him, but he's pretty stupid and very pathetic. I couldn't help but feel sorry for him.



He found an ugly girl with no personality that would actually put up with him so I guess that's why he was so desperate. I chuckled when I said we should talk to Irving about it and he replied with "but if I tell anybody then Lily will get in trouuuuuuuuble".

[Saurel]

Starmartyr wrote...

Mostly it is his voice that really irritates me. whenever I have to talk to him, I just turn off my speakers.

Yeah is voice it kind of grating after awhile.

[menasure]

he's supposedly your friend in the mage origins ... changed after one line for me muhahahaha. i don't know he just strikes me as a whiny character however it's even worse than that: actually he has no character because he has no willpower
he's a total screw up when it comes to choices and meddles with forces he can not control, which is about the worst set of personality a mage can have. the thing which baffles me is why he has not been made a tranquil yet although there's a half-baked explanation about that in some plays.

the only thing which makes him interesting is exactly his dark knowledge and even that is rather disappointing because although he's the key to unlocking blood mage for you he's not willing to share that with you directly even when you save him or want to save him countless times. supposedly he was concidered an option as a companion originally but with a personality like that i would not really have appreciated him, except maybe after a lot of 'hardening up' because currently he's not a nice "friend" to have lol.

Modifié par menasure, 06 décembre 2009 - 07:13 .

[DeathWyrmNexus]

Oddly enough, I found Lily kinda cute... But I was staring at her chest a lot on my sixth playthrough so I wouldn't have to pay attention to Jowan.



Ah Jowan, DA:O's super screw up. I hate for all the reasons above and still manage to find him human, which I only find as more reason to dislike him. I hate real life people like him too. At least I can accept my own screw ups.

[Galian84]

He's okay...not a huge fan though. I let him live on my first PC (see my avatar )



I started a mage and well...started to like him less. But it was fun to act like a douche toward him^^

[cglasgow]

I liked Lily, and I felt so sorry for her when her life was ruined and she let herself, in despair at losing everything, be dragged off to a horrible mage's prison to be live bait for Fade spirits.



This is why in every playthrough since then, I stick Jowan in the guts between the cell bars. I just wish I had the option to scream 'This is for Lily!' while I did it.



And no, my PCs aren't in love with Lily, they just sympathize.

[HarlequinDream]

cglasgow wrote...

I liked Lily, and I felt so sorry for her when her life was ruined and she let herself, in despair at losing everything, be dragged off to a horrible mage's prison to be live bait for Fade spirits.

This is why in every playthrough since then, I stick Jowan in the guts between the cell bars. I just wish I had the option to scream 'This is for Lily!' while I did it.

And no, my PCs aren't in love with Lily, they just sympathize.

I wish we had the option of, after we help Gregor one way or another at the tower (if you were a mage origin), trying to plead Lily's case. Now, sure, she might not ever be a priest again, but you could at least let her out of the prison.

[kevinwastaken]

Encha.... oh yes. Jowan is a loser.

[Jisai]

Funny how Jowan is such a supposid 'loser'...

Yet he was clever enough to:

•  Have the PC do all 'dirty work' for him collecting not only the Flame Rod but the signature to obtain it
• Give him the means to escape the Mage Tower
• Find his phylactery for him so now he is also untrackable

Jowan annoying?
Perhaps, but he used that 'whineyness' cleverly enough to manipulate you to do his bidding without using his Blood Magic.

So who is the real 'loser'?  Just sayin.

[KalosCast]

Because if everybody was a growly grimdark fantasy hero, then the PC wouldn't have anything to do.

[DeathWyrmNexus]

Jisai wrote...

[*]So who is the real 'loser'?  Just sayin.

[*]That would be Jowan the Tranquil or Jowan the Executed or Jowan the Shanked in his prison cell, my dear. But thanks for playing.

[Obliterati]

There's not enough context to really like him. In the mage origin, it seems you are supposed to have been friends for years...but it's just implied, there's no "there" there.

I mean, if one of my real-life friends acted like Jowan in the origin story, it wouldn't bother me...everyone has their bad days. But with Jowan, that's all there is. We don't get the ups to go with the downs, it's just the full douchebag right from the start. Jowan may indeed have many good characteristics, but they're aren't in the script, so how the hell would I know?

And then at the end of Redcliffe, when he finally gets interesting as he shows a great deal of courage and dignity - he promptly gets marched off to the hangman and disappears from the game.

*facepalm*

Modifié par Obliterati, 06 décembre 2009 - 08:42 .