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[ashwind]

Shepard has too much on his mind, fighting the Reapers, Collectors, working with Cerberus, saving Earth and all. I feel that he really just needs an LI who will just standby him and support him through all this without adding to Shepard's burdens.

And I like her voice and the way she talks =P awkward maybe but I like it.

[january42]

Well, it's an RPG.  All the romance plots are crudely executed to a degree. Liara was one of the better onces at least. I'm not sure what you mean about the talking.  She talks a bit like an academic, but it's because she is.



Serious question for the OP:

What charachters talking and romance plot execution do you like? 

Tali and Garrus are the only other LI charachters with fairly interesting personalities.

[Tom Lehrer]

january42 wrote...

Well, it's an RPG.  All the romance plots are crudely executed to a degree. Liara was one of the better onces at least. I'm not sure what you mean about the talking.  She talks a bit like an academic, but it's because she is.



Serious question for the OP:

What charachters talking and romance plot execution do you like? 

Tali and Garrus are the only other LI charachters with fairly interesting personalities.

That is a matter of opinion. Every LI is interesting in their own rights...well every LI but Jacob 

Modifié par Tom Lehrer, 17 avril 2012 - 01:37 .

[MrNose]

january42 wrote...

Tali and Garrus are the only other LI charachters with fairly interesting personalities.

Hilarious joke?

[Y3Y00]

Pros: Exotic, intelligent, socially awkward, very emotional, sincere to Shepard; she's the only one that persevered with retreiving Shepard's corpse, and she's an Asari, thus melding. And blue... And tentacles. lol

Cons: In some occasions, her voice actress sounds a bit off. That's it.

[Mr. Big Pimpin]

MrNose wrote...

january42 wrote...

Tali and Garrus are the only other LI charachters with fairly interesting personalities.

Hilarious joke?

Yeah, the joke was that he put the word "other" in that sentence.



j/k of course. At least to a certain extent.

[Hadeedak]

Y3Y00 wrote...

Pros: Exotic, intelligent, socially awkward, very emotional, sincere to Shepard; she's the only one that persevered with retreiving Shepard's corpse, and she's an Asari, thus melding. And blue... And tentacles. lol

Cons: In some occasions, her voice actress sounds a bit off. That's it.

She's also ridiculously young, younger relatively than even Tali, and makes me feel skeevy when I have a Shep flirt with her. It's not as bad in 3, but... Well, it felt creepy that you rescue her and 'take advantage' of her feelings in 1. 2 and 3, not so much. But... Well. Not a fan of the ME1 Liaramance.

But that's just my opinion, no need to go spreading it around.

Modifié par Hadeedak, 17 avril 2012 - 03:56 .

[Yuqi]

Tom Lehrer wrote...

Flumburken wrote...

Please keep in mind I made this thread to discover the true reasons behind the affections of Liara as a love interest, not to keep encourage ranting about "Liara being a badly developed character". Please keep to the course as long as possible, people.

As I said before male power fantsay. Of the LIs Liara is the best fit.

LOTSB and ME3 must've killed alot fo those fantasies then.

And I have to agree with recentio, alot of female gamers put femshep with Liara. I would argue that Liara and Garus are practiccly tied for  the most popular romance with Femshep. Heck even Hale's favorite is Liara..(Apparently. She could've been jesting TBH.)

Modifié par Yuqi, 17 avril 2012 - 04:02 .

[Hadeedak]

I'm one of the girl gamers who's never been able to go with Liara. Kelly and Traynor, sure. If Ashley or Jack had been available, hell YES. And I have a femShep with a Samara thing out there somewhere. But I've never 'gotten' Liara (AS A LI. AS A LITTLE SISTER/BFF, SHE IS FABULOUS). So this topic is... relevant to my interests.

[Tom Lehrer]

Yuqi wrote...

Tom Lehrer wrote...

Flumburken wrote...

Please keep in mind I made this thread to discover the true reasons behind the affections of Liara as a love interest, not to keep encourage ranting about "Liara being a badly developed character". Please keep to the course as long as possible, people.

As I said before male power fantsay. Of the LIs Liara is the best fit.

LOTSB and ME3 must've killed alot fo those fantasies then.

And I have to agree with recentio, alot of female gamers put femshep with Liara. I would argue that Liara and Garus are practiccly tied for  the most popular romance with Femshep. Heck even Hale's favorite is Liara..(Apparently. She could've been jesting TBH.)

Im sure their are lots a girls out there that play FemShep and go for Liara but odds are most female ME players go with Garrus, Kaidan, and Thane as their number 1 pick. 

And as far as LotSB and ME3 go Shepard had to hold her hand the whole way in both. Liara unlike many of the other squadmates never truly became independent from Shepard because s/he is always there when she does something of note. It is the dependence that feeds power fantsay and it is 100% normal.

Human males are evolved to have such desires.

[Brockxz]

Flumburken, did you actually hear what she says and think about what she says? She almost on your first dialog with her says that she isn't very social at all. She spends most of the time on archeological dig sites by herself without any interaction to anyone. And she haven't socialized with humans (at least she says she knows little about us) before Shepard. That all explains the way she talks and why she is a little bit shy and unsure how to speak with Shepard. The other Asari you encounter in the game are the ones who encounter humans and any other people every day.
Also I really like how Liara is shy and intelligent and that's the reason I liked her as character from the start.

[CptData]

Verly wrote...

I still don't see how saving shep's life makes her a 'crazy stalker'. While the rest of Shep's team grieved or sat on their butts whichever it was, Liara made sure shep's lifeless body did not reach the collectors who where going to give it to the reapers.. or did everyone miss that?

it was the events of saving shep's body that changed liara from the sweet shy girl to the full grown woman she was in ME2 and 3. I thought the game fully explains this.. shep could ask Liara why she was so hell bent on going after the shadow broker and she explains it fully.

My Shep never asked for this

Besides that: why should Shepard fall for her - thankfullness doesn't replace feelings. Good thing ME allows the players to fully RP ttheir Shepards - and in my case, Shep isn't attracted to Liara (while she seems to always have feelings for him), neither phyiscally nor emotionally - she's a friend.

Choices kinda get subverted / utterly destroyed in ME3. BW had developed only one real romance arc, and that's Liara's. Garrus' romance comes close, but he's more like a best friend that also doubles as lover (fem!Shep only).
What got me most - and that's again writer's fault: why doesn't Liara respect Shepard's decision NOT to go into a serious relationship with her?
Seriously ... she even tries it in the final scene. The "gift" - you can accept and deny it, of course, denying it is a d*ck move. Normally, I'd say my Shepard should deny that gift since it's too intimate for his taste.

It kinda irks me the writers always tried to make Liara acting romantically. Why? Why can't she act like a friend?

[hot_heart]

I don't think it's right to knock anyone's choice of LI (not that everyone is). I think they all cover a broad spectrum and have their own appeal to all sorts of different people.

I know there has been a project where letters about the LIs (possibly all ME2 ones though) were put together in a book (and a PDF) and sent off to BioWare, who accepted it gracefully. Reading through that would probably give you a good idea of what people see in each character.

Frankly, I'm more interested in the characters in general as there's a great deal of diversity and contrast there.

[Yedelgeuse]

I actually don't know what happened there but as soon as it became apparent that Liara is a possible LI I completely fell into this "fantasy" or whatever (btw, female player here). It's an awful thing to say but I think it was kinda due to lack of choice at first, though her motives (apart from obvious and totally understandable interest in Shepard as a test subject) seem rly convincing as the romance progresses. I mean, EVERYBODY wants a piece of Shepard but she does so on such a different level. Even melding stuff sounds so intriguing, so not trivial, enlightened, so sci-fi. I dunno how to explain, even if english was my native language I wouldn't have anything better to say... She's different but not that much different as, say, Garrus and I like it. None of remaining romance options of entire series has never even made me WANT to cheat on her (except for occasional flirting, just out of curiousity =3), some of them were bloody ridiculous if you ask my Femshep. There are a few rly interesting npcs and perhaps some nonromancable squadmates she would totally go for, but since it's a game... Still, I like everything about Liara and how she changes over the years, her story is balanced and closely tied to Shepard's, and she has no moody background, well, except for dead mother who was quite old by the time she died anyway... Moreover, everybody changes, including Tali, who, to my mind, is the only true high-quality alternative to Liara for male Shep and she is almost as popular, so what's the big deal? Liara's becoming a full adult and, as she herself stated, was changed by Shepard. I would hate it if she didn't grow up a little. And if someone considers her a stalker it's their problem, her behavior's natural for someone who had a crush on you, and I don't see anything too intimate in her Shepard's cabin visits. After all, Liara saved his/her life and is basically a Normandy's XO. And if someone finds her weird... she's a foreveralone ALIEN ffs. Don't you find Tali weird? Ashley, Kaidan or Miranda are also pretty much retarded if you ask me, and so is Shepard. I just like Liara's issues better and there is absolutely no reason for me not to love her just because she was designed to live up to my mainstream expectations.

Modifié par Yedelgeuse, 17 avril 2012 - 04:47 .

[Biotic Flash Kick]

shepard is alive because of liara

[Dead_Meat357]

Liara is extremely intelligent and compassionate. Her loyalty to Shepard is absolutely unquestionable. She's even intelligent with regard to emotional issues, even trauma. Rather than direct her anger at the wrong people (cough, Ashley, cough) she knows who is really responsible for things like her Mother's death, etc. There is also a strength about her. It's not so apparent in Mass Effect 1, but it is in ME2 and ME3. Like Shepard, she never gives up. Despite a little trouble in Mass Effect 2's Lair of the Shadow Broker DLC, Liara is surprisingly low maintenence. She's very giving and thoughtful. She actually does things for Shepard. Ashley pretty much just takes from Shepard. She needs to talk about family problems etc. 

Liara is not even physically the most attractive woman in the Mass Effect series. I'd probably rate Ashley at least as high as Liara and I'd say Jack has a prettier face. Though the tatoos turn me off. I'm also a boob man and Jack doesn't have much to speak of. I think Miranda is probably overall the most attractive physically. Some of the other Asari like Shiala are arguably more attactive than Liara physically at least. Well as far as faces go. Liara does have the better boobs than Shiala does. 

Liara shows the most change and growth of all the options in Mass Effect. Despite some of the horrible things she's had to go through she still remains the awkward, intellectually curious, and direct young girl you rescued from Therum. Though she's not really awkward anymore (at least not most of the time) if you romanced her from ME1, but she acts exactly the same as she did in ME1 if you start a romance with her in ME3.

Still if I could actually date any of the women in Mass Effect, I'd pick Liara over any of the others without a second thought. Even if she were human. Though as an Asari one thing that would totally kick ass is the fact that she'll pretty much always look the same. She will never really get old. Or at least, she'll never look old. Hell Samara has got to be over 700 and looks like she might be around her late 30's or early, early 40's at most. And the good kind of 30's to early 40's, not the bad kind.

Modifié par Dead_Meat357, 17 avril 2012 - 09:32 .

[recentio]

Tom Lehrer wrote...

Yuqi wrote...

Tom Lehrer wrote...

Flumburken wrote...

Please keep in mind I made this thread to discover the true reasons behind the affections of Liara as a love interest, not to keep encourage ranting about "Liara being a badly developed character". Please keep to the course as long as possible, people.

As I said before male power fantsay. Of the LIs Liara is the best fit.

LOTSB and ME3 must've killed alot fo those fantasies then.

And I have to agree with recentio, alot of female gamers put femshep with Liara. I would argue that Liara and Garus are practiccly tied for  the most popular romance with Femshep. Heck even Hale's favorite is Liara..(Apparently. She could've been jesting TBH.)

Im sure their are lots a girls out there that play FemShep and go for Liara but odds are most female ME players go with Garrus, Kaidan, and Thane as their number 1 pick. 

And as far as LotSB and ME3 go Shepard had to hold her hand the whole way in both. Liara unlike many of the other squadmates never truly became independent from Shepard because s/he is always there when she does something of note. It is the dependence that feeds power fantsay and it is 100% normal.

Human males are evolved to have such desires.

Your simpleton assumptions are really starting to make me chuckle, pal. Got *any* facts to back any of that up with?

[CptData]

Biotic Flash Kick wrote...

shepard is alive because of liara

I'm alive 'cause of my mom and my dad.
Still refuse to romantically love them

(I know, I know ... but that statement is used too often and it doesn't get any more right that way ...)

[hot_heart]

Shepard is alive because of Miranda and The Illusive Man.

TIM for LI!

[Ecrulis]

I cant really pin point why I like Liara over the others so much, there are a few things that come to mind

Hers is the only romance that appears in all 3 games so it really feels like a cohesive side story through all three

I personally love how her character grows over the games (never thought of her as stalkery in ME3 I always thought of her as the closest thing to an XO on the normandy throughout the game.)

The scene with her and Javik after Thessia and the subsequent scene with you and her in her quarters is, IMO, very well done and the first time ive really seen her lose her cool.

also just for the record Im a guy IRL and play femsheps because I like Hale's voice acting better than Male Shep. Not all of us are pervs

EDIT: I also LOVE the banter between her and her father XD

Modifié par Ecrulis, 18 avril 2012 - 05:13 .