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[ShadowLordXII]

Yep and the wardens were studying her condition. Maybe there's a way to replicate whatever happened to Fiona. Perhaps through association with the Architect, not in public of course.

[2torman]

I think it would be interesting to see how Wardens are treated in Thedas since the blight. In DAO we saw some respect from the residents of Ferelden but with the Warden saving them from the blight what level of reverence will they now be given an subsequently the effect on Ferelden in terms of their young growing up knowing that the greatest hero they know is a warden and wanting to become one. Will Ferelden be a new hotspot for the Wardens? Are the wardens held with higher esteem across all of Thedas? But most importantly, by stopping the blight so quickly how will that effect peoples opinion of the blight and wardens.

Sorry, little off topic but it will be amazing to see how Stens report on the blight affects relations with qunari. Will they offer warriors for the joining or form their own version of wardens not knowing of the reasons wardens take the joining.

[WardenWade]

ShadowLordXII wrote...

Yep and the wardens were studying her condition. Maybe there's a way to replicate whatever happened to Fiona. Perhaps through association with the Architect, not in public of course.

Those sorts of possibilities make me very curious what Avernus (and, potentially, the Architect) are up to in the messenger side-quest in DA2...

Hopefully that will be included in the treatment the Wardens get in DA3

[thats1evildude]

I'm kind of curious about the mysterious allies of the Grey Wardens alluded to Nathaniel's Act 3 quest. I know that the assumption here is that the Grey Wardens are allied with the Architect and his Disciples, but that doesn't quite mesh with Nathaniel's dialogue.

The thing is, Nathaniel openly discusses the Architect and refers to him as an "extremely dangerous" darkspawn. He also readily discusses the nature of the Disciples. But when pressed about the Grey Wardens' allies, he remains vague, brushing off Hawke's question with the statement "Let's just say we live in strange times." If these unknown supporters were, in fact, the Disciples, then why not simply admit it? He's already gone as far as openly admitting the existence of intelligent darkspawn.

In fact, his dialogue suggests that he's referring to two entirely different groups, and that these mysterious friends who seem to know so much about darkspawn have nothing to do with the Disciples.

Modifié par thats1evildude, 20 avril 2012 - 02:49 .

[Deniz87]

2torman wrote...

Sorry, little off topic but it will be amazing to see how Stens report on the blight affects relations with qunari. Will they offer warriors for the joining or form their own version of wardens not knowing of the reasons wardens take the joining.

I was thinking about the same thing. The Sten respected the Warden(s) at the end, and I always wondered if there are any Qunari Wardens. Or if Stens report will have an impact on the incoming Qunari invasion. But I love the Qunari anyways. Gimme moar Qunari

[WardenWade]

thats1evildude wrote...

I'm kind of curious about the mysterious allies of the Grey Wardens alluded to Nathaniel's Act 3 quest. I know that the assumption here is that the Grey Wardens are allied with the Architect and his Disciples, but that doesn't quite mesh with Nathaniel's dialogue.

The thing is, Nathaniel openly discusses the Architect and refers to him as an "extremely dangerous" darkspawn. He also readily discusses the nature of the Disciples. But when pressed about the Grey Wardens' allies, he remains vague, brushing off Hawke's question with the statement "Let's just say we live in strange times." If these unknown supporters were, in fact, the Disciples, then why not simply admit it? He's already gone as far as openly admitting the existence of intelligent darkspawn.

In fact, his dialogue suggests that he's referring to two entirely different groups, and that these mysterious friends who seem to know so much about darkspawn have nothing to do with the Disciples.

This has a lot of possibilities   I'm curious what sort of faction could be even more mysterious, in this case, than the disciples?

[valentine3]

There was also someone who hired bandits to keep Avernus's letters from the warden-comander.

[Vespasian 91]

sjpelkessjpeler wrote...

valentine3 wrote...

There was also someone who hired bandits to keep Avernus's letters from the warden-comander.

Yeah, that's right.

Remember the quest of course but that there's some one who is crossing the wardens in what they are doing is something that can put a whole different angle to it. Cannot be darkspawn. Has to be a party that knows what the wardens are up too and want to put a stop to it.

I say the Chantry.

[ZtalkerRM]

I think at the end of DA3, you can have the option of controlling the Wardens, Destroying the Wardens, or fusing them with the Chantry.

All jokes aside, from DA2 I get the feeling there are not doing well. The Grey Warden team that led the expedition for the Magister (the excellent Legacy DLC) was downright corrupt and evil, the party that Anders knew in the deep roads (when they draft your sibling) wasn't that cheerfull either.

Furthermore, Allistair and Cassandra make it pretty obvious The Warden is gone, the one that united the remaining and new Wardens under his banner at Vigil's Keep. I get the feeling there is no leadership, or bad leadership among the ranks. They could be falling apart...
I hope they survive, find some griffon eggs and save the day, but that's probably false hope.

[valentine3]

ZtalkerRM wrote...

I think at the end of DA3, you can have the option of controlling the Wardens, Destroying the Wardens, or fusing them with the Chantry.

All jokes aside, from DA2 I get the feeling there are not doing well. The Grey Warden team that led the expedition for the Magister (the excellent Legacy DLC) was downright corrupt and evil, the party that Anders knew in the deep roads (when they draft your sibling) wasn't that cheerfull either.

Furthermore, Allistair and Cassandra make it pretty obvious The Warden is gone, the one that united the remaining and new Wardens under his banner at Vigil's Keep. I get the feeling there is no leadership, or bad leadership among the ranks. They could be falling apart...
I hope they survive, find some griffon eggs and save the day, but that's probably false hope.

Sorry, but when does Alistair make it clear that the warden is gone?

[thats1evildude]

ZtalkerRM wrote...

All jokes aside, from DA2 I get the feeling there are not doing well. The Grey Warden team that led the expedition for the Magister (the excellent Legacy DLC) was downright corrupt and evil, the party that Anders knew in the deep roads (when they draft your sibling) wasn't that cheerfull either.

The Grey Wardens were never a particularly benevolent organization. We know that they more or less rule the Anderfels in the same way that the templars "ruled" Kirkwall. Their ranks consist of a parade of thugs — Carta dwarves, assassins, bandits and blood mages — and their only mandate is to do whatever it takes to stop the darkspawn; that means they get up to some pretty shady activities. The Legacy DLC was a prime example.

Modifié par thats1evildude, 23 avril 2012 - 10:27 .

[Quill74Pen]

valentine3 wrote...

There was also someone who hired bandits to keep Avernus's letters from the warden-comander.

Fereldan's Warden-Commander — in this case, your character — has already seen the letters. S/he was forwarding them to the First Warden in Weishaupt, but the messenger was ambushed and killed near Kirkwall. Hawke, however, saves the day by leaving the letters in the dropbox in Kirkwall.

Quill74Pen (who's looking forward to DA3)

[Quill74Pen]

thats1evildude wrote...

ZtalkerRM wrote...

All jokes aside, from DA2 I get the feeling there are not doing well. The Grey Warden team that led the expedition for the Magister (the excellent Legacy DLC) was downright corrupt and evil, the party that Anders knew in the deep roads (when they draft your sibling) wasn't that cheerfull either.

The Grey Wardens were never a particularly benevolent organization. We know that they more or less rule the Anderfels in the same way that the templars "ruled" Kirkwall. Their ranks consist of a parade of thugs — Carta dwarves, assassins, bandits and blood mages — and their only mandate is to do whatever it takes to stop the darkspawn; that means they get up to some pretty shady activities. The Legacy DLC was a prime example.

While it's stated that the Grey Wardens can initiate *anyone* into their order — from criminals to common men/women to mages to nobility and beyond — I do believe there are unspoken standards. IOW, a person who's killed others in cold blood will probably have a hard time getting into the order, no matter how desperate a situation might be. Thieves might be a different story, as usually there's no loss of life involved in a theft (just look at Duncan as an example of that).

Quill74Pen

[valentine3]

Quill74Pen wrote...

valentine3 wrote...

There was also someone who hired bandits to keep Avernus's letters from the warden-comander.

Fereldan's Warden-Commander — in this case, your character — has already seen the letters. S/he was forwarding them to the First Warden in Weishaupt, but the messenger was ambushed and killed near Kirkwall. Hawke, however, saves the day by leaving the letters in the dropbox in Kirkwall.

Quill74Pen (who's looking forward to DA3)

Yes all true ,but it does'nt excuse the matter that someone hired bandits to stop the letters.You'll hear the bandits say that'' if the warden gets those letters it will be your hide'' ''Leave no witnesses'' and something about'' getting payed extra'' for the work.
So it stands to reason that wardens have a unknown enemy.
And seeing as we're speeking bout a posssible futuer for the wardens I'd like to add that if you play an orlesian warden in Awakening, Alistair will tell you that the security of Ferelden relies with the grey wardens, and  at the end of witch hunt Morrigan will tell the Orlesian warden '' tell your wardens to be vary,tell them to watch for what is to come''
I think the wardens have alot of trouble heading their way

[khordlambert]

Quill74Pen wrote...

thats1evildude wrote...

ZtalkerRM wrote...

All jokes aside, from DA2 I get the feeling there are not doing well. The Grey Warden team that led the expedition for the Magister (the excellent Legacy DLC) was downright corrupt and evil, the party that Anders knew in the deep roads (when they draft your sibling) wasn't that cheerfull either.

The Grey Wardens were never a particularly benevolent organization. We know that they more or less rule the Anderfels in the same way that the templars "ruled" Kirkwall. Their ranks consist of a parade of thugs — Carta dwarves, assassins, bandits and blood mages — and their only mandate is to do whatever it takes to stop the darkspawn; that means they get up to some pretty shady activities. The Legacy DLC was a prime example.

While it's stated that the Grey Wardens can initiate *anyone* into their order — from criminals to common men/women to mages to nobility and beyond — I do believe there are unspoken standards. IOW, a person who's killed others in cold blood will probably have a hard time getting into the order, no matter how desperate a situation might be. Thieves might be a different story, as usually there's no loss of life involved in a theft (just look at Duncan as an example of that).

Quill74Pen

I dunno. I'd think it would depend a LOT on the specifics of the murder. Their body count, who they went after, how long it took them to get caught, etc, etc.

I'd imagine they'd be quite willing to recruit a guy who was really good at murdering. Darkspawn aren't just going to throw themselves on their swords after all.

[Urzon]

I'm guessing that after Sten gave his report to the Qunari leaders, the qunari started forming more ties to the Grey Wardens. I can easily see them seeing the true threat the darkspawn pose to Thedas.

As for the people responcible for attacking the Grey Warden messenger, i'm guessing that might be Orlais, with maybe a tiny bit of the Chantry. Orlais has been taken a interest in alot of Qunari business lately. First, they somehow got their hands of the Tome of Koslun, but they lost it when Isabela stole it. Then, they were trying to get their hands on a list of qunari spies.

If they saw the Qunari making an alliance with the Grey Warden, Orlais would make it their business to try and weaken them and find out more information. Hence them attacking the messenger.

[ZtalkerRM]

valentine3 wrote...

ZtalkerRM wrote...

I think at the end of DA3, you can have the option of controlling the Wardens, Destroying the Wardens, or fusing them with the Chantry.

All jokes aside, from DA2 I get the feeling there are not doing well. The Grey Warden team that led the expedition for the Magister (the excellent Legacy DLC) was downright corrupt and evil, the party that Anders knew in the deep roads (when they draft your sibling) wasn't that cheerfull either.

Furthermore, Allistair and Cassandra make it pretty obvious The Warden is gone, the one that united the remaining and new Wardens under his banner at Vigil's Keep. I get the feeling there is no leadership, or bad leadership among the ranks. They could be falling apart...
I hope they survive, find some griffon eggs and save the day, but that's probably false hope.

Sorry, but when does Alistair make it clear that the warden is gone?

Oh sorry, maybe it's another character (Cassandra? Leliana?) that said it. Keep living in your dream world where the Warden is still in Ferelden. My point still stands.

From the DLC, side quests, everything, I get the feeling the order is struggling. They were always dabbling in evil stuff, but the Legacy DLC takes it one step too far. And with the Warden gone to keep them all together, it's probably all going down crashing.

[Urzon]

ZtalkerRM wrote...

From the DLC, side quests, everything, I get the feeling the order is struggling. They were always dabbling in evil stuff, but the Legacy DLC takes it one step too far. And with the Warden gone to keep them all together, it's probably all going down crashing.

You do know that Janeka was under compulsion right? If you read some of the codexes in the area, they said that anything bearing the Taint would fall under Cory's sway when they were around him. After the First Blight (I think), the Wardens captured him and tried to interogate him, but they couldn't since any that can near him would fall under his influence. When they were lead away, the Wardens would forgot anything prior, and they were left in a daze.

Larius says that Janeka is under Cory's control when you first meet her. And if you side with Janeka for the Cory fight, she herself admits she was used after her failed binding attempt.