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I'm sure the Bioware team poured their souls into making ME3 within budget and time constraints. For whatever reason, they totally screwed the pooch on the ending.  And yeah, they totally overpromised and underdelivered - this isn't the first nor last time this will happen to me.


I think it is pretty tricky to pour your souls into something when you are quite as squeezed on time as they appear to have been. Frankly I think it must have been very frustrating for them to work on ME3.

However you are right about getting over it. Bioware do not release enough for me to spend too long caring about them making such a mess of ME2. If they had another release in June or something then I would probably still be unhappy. As it is I got about 30 hours out of ME3 which is more than I've got out of many other games, wasn't terribly satisfying but so be it.

I fully expect Bioware in about 6 months to do what the Deus Ex HR devs did (about the boss fights), admit that they got it wrong and apologise.

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I've taken to Rift and Skyrim. Still, it makes my blood boil. It was over a month ago and I just can't move onto acceptance. Every time I get close, I revert back to rage.

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When I first finished the game last month and started coming to the boards regularly I was extremely hurt. I felt betrayed, lied to, and extremely angry that Bioware would slap such a subpar ending on such a spectacular series. I still considered myself a Bioware fan, I just figured they'd had temporary insanity and would make things right. Hence Retake.

Now? When I come to these boards I'm apathetic at best, mildly annoyed at the PR bs at worst. This fiasco will hurt Bioware more than they realize. When your most fanatical fans simply stop caring? You have a problem

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Well...i played Mass Effect 3 once.....and i don't think i will be playing it again.....the clarification DLC doesn't seem to be what could save the trilogy...and stanley woo comments kind of ruined all hope I could have about their seriousness...that's sad because they ruined it in such a silly way...now im playing Dead Space, Total War, Magics and eventually start The Witcher 2.

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They let us vent incessantly on BSN (haven't seen many lock downs lately) and anger slowly turns to apathy


I don't think no lockdowns was the problem.  The problem was no real dialogue.  That to me was the real cincher.  But again, I agree, for me, anger has turned to apathy, which has finally allowed me to forgive them for it and move on. 

I'm POSITIVE they didn't want the vast majority of their most loyal fans to be completely distraught and upset over such a ****ty ending - this probably hurts them LOTS more than it hurts us.  I really feel for the folks working there, and truly wish them well.

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For now I've focused myself on making motivational posters and writing fanfic to ease the pain, and using the forum to rant about plotholes oh and SPECULATE :D

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Skyrim nursed me through the worst times. Raising Belethor as my undead thrall then killing him over and over again has really been cathartic. Chicken soup for the soul, that is.


Amen to that. After the ME3 ending, I went back and played Skyrim and it was like falling in love with that game all over again <3


Lol sames

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ibage wrote...

I've taken to Rift and Skyrim. Still, it makes my blood boil. It was over a month ago and I just can't move onto acceptance. Every time I get close, I revert back to rage.


I SOOO played Skyrim to death - I was waiting for Skyrim at least as much as ME3 (unlike ME3, that game TOTALLY rocked).  If a DLC comes out for it, I'll definitely return.  With the recent anouncement, I actually thought about buying Kinect just so I could get better use out of the screams.

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I'm actually nearing the end of my second playthrough (about to storm Cerberus) and I cannot emphasize how my knowledge of the ending COMPLETELY destroys this game.

Everything feels ... hopeless. After getting kicked in the teeth at Thessia, I would like to think, "here's the lowest point of the game, but it gets better..." and it just doesn't.

-snip-


Me too. I actually started my second favorite play through of an ME1/ME2 character, but just sort of lost my desire to play.  As much as I enjoyed the actual game play, I knew where it was leading, and really, for whatever reason just haven't wanted to go back.  I even played the MP for no particular reason instead of going back to my second play through.


It comes down to a suspension of disbelief.

The Player / Shepard relationship where a player feels that the choices as the "Player's Shepard" are invalidated by the ending of ME3.

Do you feel a stronger connection to a Tabula Rasa character(Skyrim), ME1-ME2 Shepard, or ME3 Shepard?

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 i'm getting over it alright, the games are getting shelved and I cannot expect myselfy to touch them again until I here of the extended cut and how badly that faired then maybe i'll give it a go but i'm moving on to better games. LA noire, red dead redemption, fallout new vegas, and a raply of skyrim maybe(such a loooooong game if you do everything).

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We'll all get there eventually, just a different times. Me, I'll stay on the line. Reassess after EC is released

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sfam wrote...

I don't think no lockdowns was the problem.  The problem was no real dialogue.  That to me was the real cincher.  But again, I agree, for me, anger has turned to apathy, which has finally allowed me to forgive them for it and move on. 

I'm POSITIVE they didn't want the vast majority of their most loyal fans to be completely distraught and upset over such a ****ty ending - this probably hurts them LOTS more than it hurts us.  I really feel for the folks working there, and truly wish them well.


I'm with you there, I wish all of the folks at BioWare the very best.

Except for Casey & Mac. Still mad at them. :mellow:

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Sparse wrote...

sfam wrote...
I'm sure the Bioware team poured their souls into making ME3 within budget and time constraints. For whatever reason, they totally screwed the pooch on the ending.  And yeah, they totally overpromised and underdelivered - this isn't the first nor last time this will happen to me.


I think it is pretty tricky to pour your souls into something when you are quite as squeezed on time as they appear to have been. Frankly I think it must have been very frustrating for them to work on ME3.

However you are right about getting over it. Bioware do not release enough for me to spend too long caring about them making such a mess of ME2. If they had another release in June or something then I would probably still be unhappy. As it is I got about 30 hours out of ME3 which is more than I've got out of many other games, wasn't terribly satisfying but so be it.

I fully expect Bioware in about 6 months to do what the Deus Ex HR devs did (about the boss fights), admit that they got it wrong and apologise.


If they decide to apologize, good on them!  I'll gladly take their apology.  Again, I know they didn't want it to end this way, with us all feeling the way we do about it.  And good on them for wanting to make it right in the DLC - hopefully some will still be eagerly awaiting the change. I'd love it if those working on the DLC could come and actually see positive comments about the DLC.

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Every time I feel like I'm starting to get over it, I see a youtube video or someone ask a question about a plot hole...and then suddenly...all my rage.

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I'm starting to get to that stage. I have accepted some of the fan made endings (the bottom link in my sig really helps) and I'm about to move on, minus my trust in Bioware. I might check out whatever they come up with in the Summer (or Winter for me).

Funnily enough I have taken some comfort in playing Fallout 3 again.

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Hopefully, if nothing else, we wont ever get one of these skeet "star child"-esque endings from Sci-Fi stories anymore. Mass Effect will eventually just be another punchline in a long history of destroyed expectations and bad ideas. Which is sad, because in an alternate universe BioWare actually gave people what they wanted, instead.

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MrHiGhToWeRr wrote...

Every time I think I've reached stage 7, I end up falling back into stage 3 or 4. I'm glad someone made it out of this vicious cycle.


yup I 100% with you there, every time I think I'm getting over it something always ends up kicking me bak into rage & depression

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masseffectfan94 wrote...

HoldTheLine wrote...

Red Dust wrote...

Skyrim nursed me through the worst times. Raising Belethor as my undead thrall then killing him over and over again has really been cathartic. Chicken soup for the soul, that is.


Amen to that. After the ME3 ending, I went back and played Skyrim and it was like falling in love with that game all over again <3


Lol sames


Yeah, it seriously is a truly amazing game, and no matter what, you never run out of things to do :)

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sfam wrote...

I don't think no lockdowns was the problem.  The problem was no real dialogue.  That to me was the real cincher.  But again, I agree, for me, anger has turned to apathy, which has finally allowed me to forgive them for it and move on. 

I'm POSITIVE they didn't want the vast majority of their most loyal fans to be completely distraught and upset over such a ****ty ending - this probably hurts them LOTS more than it hurts us.  I really feel for the folks working there, and truly wish them well.


I'm with you there, I wish all of the folks at BioWare the very best.

Except for Casey & Mac. Still mad at them. :mellow:


Casey hasn't posted on twitter since March 17.  No reason to think he's not absolutely and utterly miserable, and thinking he let everyone he worked with down, not to mention his fans.  Seriously, there are criminals who's suffered far less than this guy probably has.  And all he did was completely blow the ending to his life's work up until this point. Whatever anger you feel toward him is probably small compared to his own. 

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I'm moving on too, I'm just playing Persona 3 FES again for a great story that ends amazingly..... just to get rid the bad taste of the ME3 ending. Will probably move on to persona 4 after that and play that again..... won't be pre-ordering a Bioware game again tho, my consumer loyalty is gone, will wait until I see their games on sale used.

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Zuka999 wrote...

Hopefully, if nothing else, we wont ever get one of these skeet "star child"-esque endings from Sci-Fi stories anymore. Mass Effect will eventually just be another punchline in a long history of destroyed expectations and bad ideas. Which is sad, because in an alternate universe BioWare actually gave people what they wanted, instead.

I'm sure that in the future, when devs want to have an awesome story in their games, they will look at Mass Effect 3 and say, "This is exactly what we shouldn't do."

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sfam wrote...

Yeah, the Mass Effect series was absolutely awesome, one of the best ever. I truly cared about the characters more in this game than any other. And yeah, the ending completely blows big donkey chunks, perhaps the worse ending I can remember in a game.  Its neither coherent or nor fits with the narrative established over three games. And yes I was one of those idiots who yet again went through and replayed ME1 and ME2 to get the perfect save.

But you know what?  Such is life.  I'm sure the Bioware team poured their souls into making ME3 within budget and time constraints. For whatever reason, they totally screwed the pooch on the ending.  And yeah, they totally overpromised and underdelivered - this isn't the first nor last time this will happen to me. 

I forgive them, and I'm just about ready to move on.  I may give the game another chance whenever the DLC comes out - for that reason, I won't be selling ME3 (In between playing Witcher 2, I may even try the MP once or twice).  But if I do, I won't be furious if I still hate the ending (which, honestly, most of us are pretty sure we're going to hate the DLC ending as the parameters are already set).  Its like rooting for bad sports teams in a way - if you really don't care about them losing any more, you just won't enjoy it as much when they finally win.  That's sort of where I am.  I'm dropping the emotion and moving on. 

So Best of luck to all those who work at Bioware in your future endeavors.  I may not be there any more for your games (or who knows, perhaps fan reviews for Dragon Age 3 will prompt me to buy it!), but I do wish you all well.  


I felt the same way you do now.... and yes I will not give up on Bioware if they make good games that deliver on the "main" promises.

Especially now with quality products coming from developers like CD Projekt Red that really deliver on choices that matter as well as improving their products constantly with FREE DLCs there is really no need to waste money on products and companies that lack that care for their costumers.

Said that I really do understand their predicment with ME3 ending, we were up against impossible odds fighting God like unstoppable Reapers that have wiped civilization more evolved then us for millions of years.... there really was no serious hope for the united galaxy to defeat them unless they created a gimmick.

Ultimately we felt powerless and our jorney meaningless, and that's were the Ending really failed.... but we knew our hopes to defeat them in a fight were less then nothing when it took half the galaxy to defeat only 1 of them.... Sovereign in ME1

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Zuka999 wrote...

Hopefully, if nothing else, we wont ever get one of these skeet "star child"-esque endings from Sci-Fi stories anymore. Mass Effect will eventually just be another punchline in a long history of destroyed expectations and bad ideas. Which is sad, because in an alternate universe BioWare actually gave people what they wanted, instead.


I actually felt the Deus Ex Machina worked wonderfully in the the third Matrix trilogy. Here's my views on the Matrix trilogy if anyone cares:

http://www.cyberpunk...ce-perspective/ 

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I've honestly never wanted a new ending, it was done when I finished. I like most people loaded my best Shep, went through the game and built up all the anticipation to that moment where I was going to see how the story turns out.

It happened I hated it, but a new ending is not going to get me that moment back, or make the original ending go away. It would just seem hollow.

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I just went back to my first love fps games. Been playing BF3 and excited to play counter strike gobal offensive. I enjoy Sci-Fi RPGs and considering bioware is the only company that made them well, too bad.