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[StarAce905-2]

I don't really understand the complaints about this. Isn't it realistic to have a character that'll have feelings for Shepard regardless of whether he/she reciprocates?

[Sdrol117]

aLucidMind wrote...

Not when, in ME1, it pushes you into a romance with her regardless of whether you turned her down or not and I've heard it is pretty much the same thing in ME3.

It's annoying. Yeah, I get it Bioware, she is your canon romance. You spend lots of time on an "i love you" scene for her, and I get a quickie with Miranda. Stupid.

[StarAce905-2]

aLucidMind wrote...

Not when, in ME1, it pushes you into a romance with her regardless of whether you turned her down or not and I've heard it is pretty much the same thing in ME3.

No, it doesn't. You can clearly tell her that you're not interested in her and that you'll take the VS instead. And in ME3, Shepard has to be rather insistent that he/she wants to be more than friends, in fact.

[nocbl2]

Well, now that I look back at it, the ME 1 Liara was so strange with the romance...

[zambingo]

People that don't like Liara are dead inside.

Kidding. To each our own.

P.S. But seriously, yeah... dead inside.

P.P.S. Liara can force herself on me anytime.

P.P.P.S. <--- is that even a thing? Miranda's Butt.

[StarAce905-2]

nocbl2 wrote...

Well, now that I look back at it, the ME 1 Liara was so strange with the romance...

True. But that was how it was intended to be. Shepard (and also Kaidan and/or Ashley if he/she/they were taken) was pretty much the first human Liara even met, I believe. She knows nothing about humans, but is rather infatuated with Shepard. So, awkwardness is the result.

[lillitheris]

StarAce905-2 wrote...

aLucidMind wrote...

Not when, in ME1, it pushes you into a romance with her regardless of whether you turned her down or not and I've heard it is pretty much the same thing in ME3.

No, it doesn't. You can clearly tell her that you're not interested in her and that you'll take the VS instead. And in ME3, Shepard has to be rather insistent that he/she wants to be more than friends, in fact.

Exactly right. I'm not sure where the meme that you couldn't turn Liara down started.

The problem isn't Liara, anyway, it's the other characters. Their romances are (even) less developed. I've some suggestions in the signature, one of which is replacing the nightmare wakeups…

[Stormer90]

It was kinda weird during that abrupt goodbye with her in the end when she takes you on a vision quest with her on your shoulder.

[Swimming Ferret]

Eh, Liara's basically the canon LI for Bioware thus the lavished attention. I do wish you had the option to tell her to shove it in ME3 though, as one of my Sheps is fairly xenophobic, but no, you can only be mildly cold to her. I miss ME1, where you could be a rude dick to everyone.

I found Liara's boobs creepy in ME3 though, as they seemed to be growing around her sides. That was the main thing that weirded me out with her. :|

[nocbl2]

Stormer90 wrote...

It was kinda weird during that abrupt goodbye with her in the end when she takes you on a vision quest with her on your shoulder.

I think that was to show that no matter what, she always loved you. Even if you chose someone other than her, Liara literally brought you from the dead. I mean, if she wasn't completely infatuated, then I have no clue what else she might have been.

[Sdrol117]

You people are so lost in your love for liara. God forbid you're nice to her, she basically attacks you, even though she knew I had a thing for VS. She even says it. I despise that Liara is the canon romance, and I desppise her character and the fact she's the only one given plot armor, for no good reason.

[Noelemahc]

StarAce905-2 wrote...

I don't really understand the complaints about this. Isn't it realistic to have a character that'll have feelings for Shepard regardless of whether he/she reciprocates?

Funnily enough, people don't get as riled up about the fact that Garrus and Tali view Shepard in the exact same way regardless of gender, it's just that neither of them proposes coitus unless Shepard makes a move. Well, Tali tries to, and stammers a lot (and it looks sorta sad with a FemShep, because you can't tell her that you feel the same ), but yeah, the reason most people hate on Liara is that she's upfront about her affection.

And the various fun inferences people have drawn about the mindmeld at the end of ME3, well that's the tricky part - nobody knows the truth, because the game has no ending.

God forbid you're nice to her, she basically attacks you, even though she knew I had a thing for VS. She even says it.

What. I like how people complain about these things, much like everyone complained about the Anders romance in DA2, citing that the game "is forcing gay rhetoric and gay sex on you", but providing examples from stuff that only happens if you flirt with him ON PURPOSE and MORE THAN ONCE.
People who complain about ninjamancing clearly haven't met a lot of real live girls OR guys out there beyond the comp00ter screen. These things happen. When someone decides they like (or, Saren forbid) love you more than anything even if you didn't really give them a reason to or were simply nice to them. These things, they happen. If you don't like her doing that, stop talking to her. Or do it with the VS, and pick the VS in the conflict resolution. "Take a hint" might be a rude approach, but it works IRL, and it works in the game.

On an unrelated note, is anyone as bummed out as I am that you can't have a threesome in ME? Team Dextro is an OT3 waiting to happen, I tells ya.

Modifié par Noelemahc, 17 avril 2012 - 05:22 .

[Sdrol117]

Noelemahc wrote...

StarAce905-2 wrote...

I don't really understand the complaints about this. Isn't it realistic to have a character that'll have feelings for Shepard regardless of whether he/she reciprocates?

Funnily enough, people don't get as riled up about the fact that Garrus and Tali view Shepard in the exact same way regardless of gender, it's just that neither of them proposes coitus unless Shepard makes a move. Well, Tali tries to, and stammers a lot (and it looks sorta sad with a FemShep, because you can't tell her that you feel the same ), but yeah, the reason most people hate on Liara is that she's upfront about her affection.

And the various fun inferences people have drawn about the mindmeld at the end of ME3, well that's the tricky part - nobody knows the truth, because the game has no ending.

Garrus far from tries to get it in with manshep.


Edit: And tali is just as annoying of a character, but she wasnt given plot armor throughout the whole series, or treated like bioware's heir to the throne. 

Modifié par Sdrol117, 17 avril 2012 - 05:18 .

[shepskisaac]

lillitheris wrote...

StarAce905-2 wrote...

aLucidMind wrote...

Not when, in ME1, it pushes you into a romance with her regardless of whether you turned her down or not and I've heard it is pretty much the same thing in ME3.

No, it doesn't. You can clearly tell her that you're not interested in her and that you'll take the VS instead. And in ME3, Shepard has to be rather insistent that he/she wants to be more than friends, in fact.

Exactly right. I'm not sure where the meme that you couldn't turn Liara down started.

If you take bottom "I'm not interested in you at all" option in ME1, you WILL get locked into a romance with Liara. This is simply a fact, it happened to me. The only way to avoid romancing her in ME1 is to either not speak to her at all or take middle option, something like "I only want to be friends". But the bottom option to turn her down locks you in romance with her.

Modifié par IsaacShep, 17 avril 2012 - 05:20 .

[StarAce905-2]

nocbl2 wrote...

Stormer90 wrote...

It was kinda weird during that abrupt goodbye with her in the end when she takes you on a vision quest with her on your shoulder.

I think that was to show that no matter what, she always loved you. Even if you chose someone other than her, Liara literally brought you from the dead. I mean, if she wasn't completely infatuated, then I have no clue what else she might have been.

This, exactly. And in my opinion, that makes her a very realistic character.

[Swimming Ferret]

I think the main reason people get annoyed with Liara's 'affection' is that if she isn't your LI she comes across as creepy and like a stalker but you can't tell her to knock that **** off as she is your total BFF in ME3. And yes, as Sdrol said, the plotamour also annoys people.

[Unit-Alpha]

I get a childish joy from threads on this topic Like a kid in a candy store.

[AlanC9]

IsaacShep wrote...
If you take bottom "I'm not interested in you at all" option in ME1, you WILL get locked into a romance with Liara. This is simply a fact, it happened to me. The only way to avoid romancing her in ME1 is to either not speak to her at all or take middle option, something like "I only want to be friends". But the bottom option to turn her down locks you in romance with her.

You figure that's a bug? I never hit that option myself, since so many of the Renegade options make Shepard be an obnoxious jerk.

[Noelemahc]

But the bottom option to turn her down locks you in romance with her.

First I've heard of it, and I make it a point to talk every character to the death when replaying ME1 because the fluff is so fluffy. I never got ninjamanced, and only one of my six ME1 Sheps did it with her (more to the point, two didn't do it with ANYBODY). Are you suuuure it's not a buggy bug? That turn down option works as advertised for me.

Garrus far from tries to get it in with manshep.

I didn't say he tries to get it in. I'm saying that there's no less subtext to his friendship with ManShep than there is with FemShep. Part of it stems from the fact that very little dialogue changes when you switch sexes, and even the ME2 Mark Meer Easter Egg (it's in Mordin's dialogue files, the ManShep equivalent to FemShep's line "Garrus is very dear to me" is "I am NOT screwing Garrus!") does not help matters much. And then there's the bottle shooting on the Citadel...

And tali is just as annoying of a character, but she wasnt given plot armor throughout the whole series, or treated like bioware's heir to the throne.

YMMV, I guess. I cannot be objective on the matter since I was one of those weirdoes that yelled "make Tali romanceable, dammit" when ME1 was all fresh and new. "I want dem hips", we said, and look where it got us.

Modifié par Noelemahc, 17 avril 2012 - 05:29 .

[StarAce905-2]

IsaacShep wrote...

lillitheris wrote...

StarAce905-2 wrote...

aLucidMind wrote...

Not when, in ME1, it pushes you into a romance with her regardless of whether you turned her down or not and I've heard it is pretty much the same thing in ME3.

No, it doesn't. You can clearly tell her that you're not interested in her and that you'll take the VS instead. And in ME3, Shepard has to be rather insistent that he/she wants to be more than friends, in fact.

Exactly right. I'm not sure where the meme that you couldn't turn Liara down started.

If you take bottom "I'm not interested in you at all" option in ME1, you WILL get locked into a romance with Liara. This is simply a fact, it happened to me. The only way to avoid romancing her in ME1 is to either not speak to her at all or take middle option, something like "I only want to be friends". But the bottom option to turn her down locks you in romance with her.

Ouch. That sounds like a glitch.

[dreman9999]

Sdrol117 wrote...

You people are so lost in your love for liara. God forbid you're nice to her, she basically attacks you, even though she knew I had a thing for VS. She even says it. I despise that Liara is the canon romance, and I desppise her character and the fact she's the only one given plot armor, for no good reason.

You hate a character that doesso much for you...Also, you can tell her "no" and she just leaves it at that...No constant attacking.

Also, Tali's romance is still better.

[FlamingBoy]

i really like liara (she is like my 3rd favorite), but it is kind of slack that they didn't expand on all the other characters, most of the me2 characters got shafted

[dreman9999]

IsaacShep wrote...

lillitheris wrote...

StarAce905-2 wrote...

aLucidMind wrote...

Not when, in ME1, it pushes you into a romance with her regardless of whether you turned her down or not and I've heard it is pretty much the same thing in ME3.

No, it doesn't. You can clearly tell her that you're not interested in her and that you'll take the VS instead. And in ME3, Shepard has to be rather insistent that he/she wants to be more than friends, in fact.

Exactly right. I'm not sure where the meme that you couldn't turn Liara down started.

If you take bottom "I'm not interested in you at all" option in ME1, you WILL get locked into a romance with Liara. This is simply a fact, it happened to me. The only way to avoid romancing her in ME1 is to either not speak to her at all or take middle option, something like "I only want to be friends". But the bottom option to turn her down locks you in romance with her.

I did that 3 times and never ended up with her....So I guessit just something that happened in your game.