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[dreman9999]

Swimming Ferret wrote...

I think the main reason people get annoyed with Liara's 'affection' is that if she isn't your LI she comes across as creepy and like a stalker but you can't tell her to knock that **** off as she is your total BFF in ME3. And yes, as Sdrol said, the plotamour also annoys people.

Have you played ME1? She's alway been like that.

Modifié par dreman9999, 17 avril 2012 - 05:36 .

[snfonseka]

aLucidMind wrote...

Not when, in ME1, it pushes you into a romance with her regardless of whether you turned her down or not and I've heard it is pretty much the same thing in ME3. However, if people are complaining because she is being very up-front about her emotions and very forward, people need to grow up lol. That just adds to her character; not everyone handles approaching a person they're interested in the same way.

^ Indeed.

[Sdrol117]

dreman9999 wrote...

Sdrol117 wrote...

You people are so lost in your love for liara. God forbid you're nice to her, she basically attacks you, even though she knew I had a thing for VS. She even says it. I despise that Liara is the canon romance, and I desppise her character and the fact she's the only one given plot armor, for no good reason.

You hate a character that doesso much for you...Also, you can tell her "no" and she just leaves it at that...No constant attacking.

Also, Tali's romance is still better.

Does so much for me? This isn't real life, dude. Bioware told her to find the crucible, blah blah. She doesn't deserve some love or affection. She's not even a cool character, or interesting. She reminds me of a middle schooler.

[dreman9999]

Sdrol117 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Sdrol117 wrote...

You people are so lost in your love for liara. God forbid you're nice to her, she basically attacks you, even though she knew I had a thing for VS. She even says it. I despise that Liara is the canon romance, and I desppise her character and the fact she's the only one given plot armor, for no good reason.

You hate a character that doesso much for you...Also, you can tell her "no" and she just leaves it at that...No constant attacking.

Also, Tali's romance is still better.

Does so much for me? This isn't real life, dude. Bioware told her to find the crucible, blah blah. She doesn't deserve some love or affection. She's not even a cool character, or interesting. She reminds me of a middle schooler.

I'm sorry....Did some one forget why their Shep is still alive in ME2?

[Noelemahc]

She's not even a cool character, or interesting. She reminds me of a middle schooler.

Well, by Asari standards, she is. Part of why she's so... weird... in ME1. She's a social outcast from an ethnic minority in a line of work that exacerbates anti-social behaviour and social disconnect that gets dumped into a situation where all of her knowledge and expertise is suddenly responsible for the fate of the galaxy and she's now in the hands of this hoo-man who is not only a strong and vivid personality, but also is an object of scientific interest, holding the knowledge of the people she was studying for all her life in their head with no appreciation for it. And then her mother turns out to be one of the perpetrators of the big bad evil, and then her mother dies. She latches on to the closest supporting shoulder, and it is inevitably Shepard's (even though it would've been kinda cool if it was the VS if you showed no interest in either of them).

In ME1 she wants Shep for the beacon knowledge and later the Cipher. She's been a stalker since day one, but it grows into proper loff over time as she gets to know the person behind the Prothean infodump.

Modifié par Noelemahc, 17 avril 2012 - 05:43 .

[L. Han]

You can always hit skip you know.

[Swimming Ferret]

dreman9999 wrote...
Have you played ME1? She's alway been like that.

True, but in  ME1 you have the option of being extremely rude to her when she does gets stalkerish. In ME3 she's your SUPA BEST FREEND and you can't make her go away. Best you can do is say "I don't want to talk about it."

[Nefla]

StarAce905-2 wrote...

aLucidMind wrote...

Not when, in ME1, it pushes you into a romance with her regardless of whether you turned her down or not and I've heard it is pretty much the same thing in ME3.

No, it doesn't. You can clearly tell her that you're not interested in her and that you'll take the VS instead. And in ME3, Shepard has to be rather insistent that he/she wants to be more than friends, in fact.

You're not kidding, I had to say "I'm still interested in you" like 8 times before it finally stuck in ME3.

[Aramintai]

dreman9999 wrote...

Sdrol117 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Sdrol117 wrote...

You people are so lost in your love for liara. God forbid you're nice to her, she basically attacks you, even though she knew I had a thing for VS. She even says it. I despise that Liara is the canon romance, and I desppise her character and the fact she's the only one given plot armor, for no good reason.

You hate a character that doesso much for you...Also, you can tell her "no" and she just leaves it at that...No constant attacking.

Also, Tali's romance is still better.

Does so much for me? This isn't real life, dude. Bioware told her to find the crucible, blah blah. She doesn't deserve some love or affection. She's not even a cool character, or interesting. She reminds me of a middle schooler.

I'm sorry....Did some one forget why their Shep is still alive in ME2?

So? My Shepard didn't ask for this. And he especially didn't ask for being given to Cerberus, not that they wouldn't have gotten their hold on Shep's remains anyway. Liara just beat them to it, which is kinda creepy in its own way, because my Shep didn't romance her or anything - she was just a forced, plot pushing "Embrace Eternity" squadmate in ME1.
So this whole rescue thing really came out of the blue. The obvious answer as to why her of all people is because she's BW's favorite pet, but everyone knows that. I really wish there was an option to back away slowly, cooly from Liara in ME2, but no, you HAVE to be nice to her like you're bffs forever and hug her. 
And in ME3 she the most important squadmate as always - Shadow Broker, Crucible finder, best LI option screentime and quality wise and, oh, plot armored immortal.  And I really did want to do playthroughs with Miranda and Jack as LIs, but seeing what they got on YouTube it's not worth it. Most of ME2 squaddies got shafted, but at least I know where all the resourses went on that front <_< So yeah, for a game which tries to position itself as all "choice and customized personal experience" I'm getting too much forced into seeing Liara's blue mug.

Modifié par Aramintai, 17 avril 2012 - 06:04 .

[DeinonSlayer]

jreezy wrote...

aLucidMind wrote...

Not when, in ME1, it pushes you into a romance with her regardless of whether you turned her down or not

That's a lie.

It's not a lie, it's a well-known glitch. To reject the Liara romance, you have to take the Neutral rejection dialogue in the second conversation with her, not the Renegade reject path. Renegade will lock you in. Neutral has the added benefit of not making you act like a complete ass to her. I'll be honest, I've never romanced Liara in a single playthrough. I'm not interested in her, at all. That doesn't mean I hate her.

Ashley is more subtle. To avoid her romance without nuking her, pick the "You're out of line!" option when she asks whether Garrus and Wrex should have full access to the ship. She'll shift her attentions to Kaidan and treat you as her superior officer for the rest of ME1.

[DeinonSlayer]

Aramintai wrote...

So? My Shepard didn't ask for this. And he especially didn't ask for being given to Cerberus, not that they wouldn't have gotten their hold on Shep's remains anyway. Liara just beat them to it, which is kinda creepy in its own way, because my Shep didn't romance her or anything - she was just a forced, plot pushing "Embrace Eternity" squadmate in ME1.
So this whole rescue thing really came out of the blue. The obvious answer as to why her of all people is because she's BW's favorite pet, but everyone knows that. I really wish there was an option to back away slowly, cooly from Liara in ME2, but no, you HAVE to be nice to her like you're bffs forever and hug her. 
And in ME3 she the most important squadmate as always - Shadow Broker, Crucible finder, best LI option screentime and quality wise and, oh, plot armored immortal.  And I really did want to do playthroughs with Miranda and Jack as LIs, but seeing what they got on YouTube it's not worth it. Most of ME2 squaddies got shafted, but at least I know where all the resourses went on that front <_< So yeah, for a game which tries to position itself as all "choice and customized personal experience" I'm getting too much forced into seeing Liara's blue mug.

Yeah, the ME2 hug was really out-of-place for those of us who didn't romance her. My first playthrough I was left gawking at the "Flay You With My Mind" moment, but then, nope, you don't get to choose your reaction. Instead, everyone gets I Wub Yoo!!! 

I guess we should consider ourselves lucky they didn't force Shepard to make out with her regardless of who you romanced... unless she really did secretly impregnate herself with that last melding as some have theorized.

[DeinonSlayer]

jreezy wrote...

DeinonSlayer wrote...

jreezy wrote...

aLucidMind wrote...

Not when, in ME1, it pushes you into a romance with her regardless of whether you turned her down or not

That's a lie.

It's not a lie, it's a well-known glitch. To reject the Liara romance, you have to take the Neutral rejection dialogue in the second conversation with her

Oh wait, did you just confirm that turning down a ROMANCE with Liara actually works? Thanks. That's what I was getting at, which is why I responded with "That's a lie".

What I was saying was, yes, the reject dialogue is broken and will lock you in to a romance with her. You have to know to take the neutral option, even though renegade appears to be an equally viable (if harsher) way to do it.

[Embrosil]

lillitheris wrote...

StarAce905-2 wrote...

aLucidMind wrote...

Not when, in ME1, it pushes you into a romance with her regardless of whether you turned her down or not and I've heard it is pretty much the same thing in ME3.

No, it doesn't. You can clearly tell her that you're not interested in her and that you'll take the VS instead. And in ME3, Shepard has to be rather insistent that he/she wants to be more than friends, in fact.

Exactly right. I'm not sure where the meme that you couldn't turn Liara down started.

The problem isn't Liara, anyway, it's the other characters. Their romances are (even) less developed. I've some suggestions in the signature, one of which is replacing the nightmare wakeups…

I agree with both statements. First, I have never had an impression of Liara forcing anything. Not in ME1, not in ME2 and definitely not in ME3.
Second, in ME3, you can actually talk to Liara on Normandy many times. However with Ashley, you only get the autodialog without any animation. Hello Bioware, I have seen Ashley for 5 minutes in ME2 and we really have much to talk about.

[DRUNK_CANADIAN]

Same reason Bioware forced homosexuality on the consumer, although technically could directly apply to your situation. Although Liara is apparently the "intended" romance by Bioware.

[SLana]

StarAce905-2 wrote...

aLucidMind wrote...

Not when, in ME1, it pushes you into a romance with her regardless of whether you turned her down or not and I've heard it is pretty much the same thing in ME3.

No, it doesn't. You can clearly tell her that you're not interested in her and that you'll take the VS instead. And in ME3, Shepard has to be rather insistent that he/she wants to be more than friends, in fact.

One of my Sheps didn't romance anyone before ME3, and like many others I found myself very surprised when Aethyta adressed him as "boyfriend" instead of "human commander". That doesn't change the fact you can romance whoever you want, but still makes me feel like I'm pushed to choose her

[Capt_Flashheart]

StarAce905-2 wrote...

I don't really understand the complaints about this. Isn't it realistic to have a character that'll have feelings for Shepard regardless of whether he/she reciprocates?

Is it not also realistic to expect that some people will become annoyed by this behaviour and subsequently frustrated when they can't put a stop to it? How does classifiying said annoying behaviour as "realistic" make it any less annoying?

I'm having a hard time believing you can't understand why a few people would complain about this.

[Pacificarus]

If a hot blue chik would be forcing herself upon me i would be so happy!

[darthnick427]

I don't think she's forcing on you at all. Granted I'd let her force her way on me anytime.

[Alistair Theirin]

I didn't mind how much attention she receives from the developers (anyone denying this is kidding themselves), until the very end of Mass Effect 3. In fact, I really liked Liara.

But when I was watching those flashbacks, and Liara's face showed up instead of my love interest?

...

Not okay.

[Iconoclaste]

Capt_Flashheart wrote...

StarAce905-2 wrote...

I don't really understand the complaints about this. Isn't it realistic to have a character that'll have feelings for Shepard regardless of whether he/she reciprocates?

Is it not also realistic to expect that some people will become annoyed by this behaviour and subsequently frustrated when they can't put a stop to it? How does classifiying said annoying behaviour as "realistic" make it any less annoying?

I'm having a hard time believing you can't understand why a few people would complain about this.

Normally, one would expect such behavior / affection to stop after a no, or a significant moment just ignored. After that, it's almost harrassment.

One only has to live such a thing in real life to see it is not trivial, fun nor acceptable at all. It's a game about choices, and as long as these LIs are the result of a personal "choice", I don't see a problem. But having to tip-toe around someone always blocking the horizon to get noticed is more than annoying. Just like with the endings, it almost looks as if someone is trying to impose his personal taste over mine.

Modifié par Iconoclaste, 17 avril 2012 - 07:14 .