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[Little Queen]

@ op: well maybe you dont understand it, but its goddamn annoying to those who dont fall for the blue mascot of bioware... My shepard has to break her heart again and again as if she would need the pain... I find it most annoying in ME3, it actually turned into hate now. :/

[Wulfram]

Noelemahc wrote...

One of my Sheps didn't romance anyone before ME3, and like many others I found myself very surprised when Aethyta adressed him as "boyfriend" instead of "human commander". That doesn't change the fact you can romance whoever you want, but still makes me feel like I'm pushed to choose her

This has been discussed to the death. Aethyta is half-krogan, even if she's apparently the wisest matriarch on the block, she's still incapable of rational thought if she thinks her daughter's in danger from you.

This is no different than some random dude whose daughter you share a class with calling you her "boyfriend" to rile you and see what you can do, it's a form of gauging your reaction to see how good a friend you are.
You lot are apparently crappy friends =)

No.  This is a bug.  There is dialogue that doesn't refer to Shepard as Liara's boy/girlfriend, but for some reason it doesn't seem to fire for people.

[Shichamatsu]

Liara is my favorite romance, and one of my favorite characters. Love her personality too, every time we talk, or go on a mission together, she does something to make me like her even more.

However, in the interest of fairness, her relationship was the most fleshed out. She even got her own DLC (LotSB). If other Love Interests had the same treatment maybe ide like more of the characters. I wouldve loved to see more of Zaeed, Its BS that he got so little screen time. He was such a cool character!

[BioWareM0d13]

It is a hipster thing.

Liara is the most popular romance option with the fanbase, so some people get off on hating on her. "Liara is so mainstream!" A similar thing went on with some of the people who hated Miranda in ME2. Some of it was just a pushback against her popularity.

That, and some of it is misdirected anger at the writers for not giving their favorite romance option that same or greater plot relevance. For people who romanced one of the Virmire survivors it makes some sense, even if their anger is being misdirected. After all the Virmire survivor was only a squadmate in 2 games, while Liara was a squadmate in 2 games *and* the best DLC of the series. It makes a lot less sense when it is coming from Talimancers or the Garrus fan club, since both have arguably been given the same plot relevance and even more screen time. (squad mate in all 3 games)

To me, hating any of the squadmates is a bit silly when most of them are characters that have Shepard's back in one way or another. This is particularly true for Liara, Garrus, and Tali, who are by far the most loyal squadmates regardless of relationship status.

Modifié par Han Shot First, 17 avril 2012 - 10:37 .

[lillitheris]

Wulfram wrote...

No.  This is a bug.  There is dialogue that doesn't refer to Shepard as Liara's boy/girlfriend, but for some reason it doesn't seem to fire for people.

I wonder if it just got cut on purpose? Aethyta's intel isn't quite as good as the Shadow Broker's, and given Liara's devotion, it might seem that way to her (and asari typically use the word ‘bondmate’ when it applies). Or maybe she's just using it intentionally wrong. Although there are some other bugs (like the one for Donnelly/Gabby) so it could be that too.

But, really, at worst it's a bug or intentional needling. Compared to the other possible reasons to complain, it's pretty darn minor

You're not getting the actual dialogue about the boyfriend/girlfriend stuff after all…

I'd still say that the problem isn't Liara (although it's easy to focus on that): it's that the other LIs are underdeveloped. Please add suggestions in the sig thread if you've got some.

[OlympusMons423]

I plan to go back and set things right with Liara with a different Shepard. My first male Shepard was into Tali from ME2 on...and would have been into her if she was even a choice back in ME1. Liara did try to get me back with her a lot in ME3. I wasn;t being cruel, I just played it that Tali was all I wanted the first time around, and honestly after that played out, it is the only 'real romance" to me. People hate Tali with a passion too, or more correctly hate her fan base. Both Laira and Tali are pretty nice and interesting characters, voiced by great to amazing voice talent. I look forward to seeing Liara's scenes with Shepard.

[Noelemahc]

No. This is a bug. There is dialogue that doesn't refer to Shepard as Liara's boy/girlfriend, but for some reason it doesn't seem to fire for people.

Bug or not, this line did not stretch my suspension of disbelief in the slightest when she said that to my Talimancer Shep.

[matthewmi]

StarAce905-2 wrote...

I don't really understand the complaints about this. Isn't it realistic to have a character that'll have feelings for Shepard regardless of whether he/she reciprocates?

Yes it's realistic.  Now folks need to remember that when they complain about certain male crew members, you can turn them down just like Liara etc...

[Wulfram]

lillitheris wrote...

Wulfram wrote...

No.  This is a bug.  There is dialogue that doesn't refer to Shepard as Liara's boy/girlfriend, but for some reason it doesn't seem to fire for people.

I wonder if it just got cut on purpose? Aethyta's intel isn't quite as good as the Shadow Broker's, and given Liara's devotion, it might seem that way to her (and asari typically use the word ‘bondmate’ when it applies). Or maybe she's just using it intentionally wrong. Although there are some other bugs (like the one for Donnelly/Gabby) so it could be that too.

It's not cut, it fired for me on my one non-Liaramancing playthrough.

[lillitheris]

matthewmi wrote...

StarAce905-2 wrote...

I don't really understand the complaints about this. Isn't it realistic to have a character that'll have feelings for Shepard regardless of whether he/she reciprocates?

Yes it's realistic.  Now folks need to remember that when they complain about certain male crew members, you can turn them down just like Liara etc...

I'm pretty sure that those “folks” aren't really the ones complaining about that…

[lillitheris]

Wulfram wrote...

lillitheris wrote…
I wonder if it just got cut on purpose? Aethyta's intel isn't quite as good as the Shadow Broker's, and given Liara's devotion, it might seem that way to her (and asari typically use the word ‘bondmate’ when it applies). Or maybe she's just using it intentionally wrong. Although there are some other bugs (like the one for Donnelly/Gabby) so it could be that too.

It's not cut, it fired for me on my one non-Liaramancing playthrough.

Ah, wait, so you're saying that you sometimes get the boy-/girlfriend line (incorrectly), and sometimes not? I meant that the non-specific line was cut because they thought using boy-/girlfriend would work for all scenarios. That's interesting…I'm not sure if that would make it more or less likely to be a bug.

There could be some hidden variable there. I'm assuming none of your non-Liara characters have romanced her at any point? Have you played LotSB with both characters who get it and those that don't?

Modifié par lillitheris, 17 avril 2012 - 11:18 .

[Nanuzsh]

Yeah unromanced version Atheyta says

'Like a human commander who worked for Cerberus?'



Regardless people who romanced Liara also face problems. Like Liara not recognising your LOTSB romance and her annoying friendzone date.


Heck you have more chance to get friendzoned by Liara if you romanced her than you can get ninjamanced by herr in ME3.

[StarAce905-2]

matthewmi wrote...

StarAce905-2 wrote...

I don't really understand the complaints about this. Isn't it realistic to have a character that'll have feelings for Shepard regardless of whether he/she reciprocates?

Yes it's realistic.  Now folks need to remember that when they complain about certain male crew members, you can turn them down just like Liara etc...

You mean certain members like Kaidan or certain members like Cortez? Cause Cortez is cool. Kaidan, however, well... Let's just say I don't like how Bioware changed him from hetero to bi.

[lillitheris]

Nanuzsh wrote...

Yeah unromanced version Atheyta says

'Like a human commander who worked for Cerberus?'

Interesting. Same question as above, can you think of any difference between the (non-Liara) characters who get that and those who don't?

Regardless people who romanced Liara also face problems. Like Liara not recognising your LOTSB romance and her annoying friendzone date.

Yeah, I fortunately noticed that LotSB wasn't filled out in Gibbed when I was playing with it while Shepard was still in Vancouver.

The Liara insecurity is a little annoying. I think it's mostly there for the benefit of new players. (That's once again something my suggestions in the signature try to remedy – carried-over romances should be handled differently from new ones.)

[Wulfram]

lillitheris wrote...

Ah, wait, so you're saying that you sometimes get the boy-/girlfriend line (incorrectly), and sometimes not? I meant that the non-specific line was cut because they thought using boy-/girlfriend would work for all scenarios. That's interesting…I'm not sure if that would make it more or less likely to be a bug.

There could be some hidden variable there. I'm assuming none of your non-Liara characters have romanced her at any point? Have you played LotSB with both characters who get it and those that don't?

I haven't played LotSB.

I had a Garrus romance going on, maybe that blocked the romance dialogue?

[lillitheris]

StarAce905-2 wrote...
You mean certain members like Kaidan or certain members like Cortez? Cause Cortez is cool. Kaidan, however, well... Let's just say I don't like how Bioware changed him from hetero to bi.

It's not that he's bisexual (because you're not playing two Shepards at the same time). He's either straight or gay.

I actually thought in original ME that he was a potential gay romance when I played it with dudeshep. But that's beside the point, there's plenty of Kaidan threads on the Character/Romance forum where this thread should be too

[lillitheris]

Wulfram wrote...

I had a Garrus romance going on, maybe that blocked the romance dialogue?

That'd seem to be a good candidate for both intentionally using the line, and for it being a bug.

[Quarters Alpha]

I never had an issue stopping the romance with Liara before it happened. Told her I wanted to just be friends in ME1, and went on to have a great relationship with Ashley throughout the trilogy. Liara stayed my friend, and never tried to force herself on me. Honestly, I'm not sure what the problem is.

[Noelemahc]

I actually thought in original ME that he was a potential gay romance when I played it with dudeshep.

He was. The same-sex stuff in ME1 wasn't as much cut out, as cut off at the point where it can get considered to be romantic. Which means that all the subtext of attraction is still there regardless, which makes accepting the idea that Kaidan can fall for DudeShep not implausible.
The same thing was done to the same-sex content in ME2 (except that this time out, most of the VO files WERE physically removed from the game), and in a much crude and noticeable way (particularly with Tali and Jack).

Honestly, I'm not sure what the problem is.

Inferrence. Everyone has their own comfort zone defined as where "friends" becomes "trying to be more than". Consequently, everyone interprets Kaidan, or Anders, or Liara in their own funny special way. I think Isabela is the only same-sexable character in the BioWare pantheon that didn't cause any surprise or ire over this, and that's only because early on (aka in DAO) she's established to be a promiscuous tralk.

Modifié par Noelemahc, 17 avril 2012 - 11:34 .

[G00N3R7883]

StarAce905-2 wrote...

aLucidMind wrote...

Not when, in ME1, it pushes you into a romance with her regardless of whether you turned her down or not and I've heard it is pretty much the same thing in ME3.

No, it doesn't. You can clearly tell her that you're not interested in her and that you'll take the VS instead. And in ME3, Shepard has to be rather insistent that he/she wants to be more than friends, in fact.

Here's a story from one of my alternate female Shepards.

I can't remember if I was intending to have Shepard romance anyone or not (this was a game from about a year ago). I think I was going to wait for Garrus in ME2. Anyway, I let Ash die on Virmire, mainly because I usually let Kaiden die so I wanted to do things differently this time. But in ME1 I had Shepard pretty much ignore Kaiden because I definately didn't want to romance him. Liara came to Shepard's quarters before Ilos but I very clearly turned her down.

As I was playing through ME2 I kind of got the feeling that Shepard wanted Jacob. If I didn't know better, I'd say it was almost as if this Shepard had a mind of her own, that I wasn't controlling her. During every conversation with Jacob, the way she was leaning back on that desk, and the tone of her voice, was pretty much screaming "I want you NOW!". Meanwhile she was actually being really cold with Garrus. So I kinda decided to go with it. Maybe kill off Jacob on the suicide mission to give her a tragic love story.

First time I went to Ilium to see Liara, Liara walked up to Shepard, thrust herself at Shepard so hard it was bordering on assault, and gave her a really long kiss. I was just staring at the screen like "what ... how ... but ... what?". Next time I was in Shepard's quarters I noticed a picture of Liara on her desk that I swear was not there before.

Liara is a total stalker and she scares me.

Now I'm thinking I should import that save into ME3 just to see what other crazy stuff might happen ...

Modifié par G00N3R7883, 17 avril 2012 - 11:58 .

[Navasha]

Never bothered me really. She's really little more than a child emotionally for Asari. Shes barely considered an adult by Asari standards. I imagine she makes the same brash mistakes that most 16 year old teens make in regards to relationships.

[Grimwick]

I really don't know how people could bitterly hate such a shy and caring personality! Liara's amazing! 

If it is a matter of fairness then yes I agree. Liara's romance wasn't perfect but it was better than the others and if she wasn't my canon romance I could imagine myself being disappointed at the lack of equality.
That being said the fact that it is the best is nothing to do with Liara herself so just venting bitter jealousy at her seems a bit wierd to me.

If it's a matter of her 'forcing herself' on you then that is ridiculous.
You can tell her to go away at nearly any time and you don't have to talk to her if you don't want to. If people are referring to how she is the one who walks into your cabin after your dreams that is because she is the only character close enough to Shepard who isn't possibly dead at that point. 

I don't get Liara haters... if you find her annoying you don't have to vent about it more than anyone else.

[greghorvath]

G00N3R7883 wrote...

Liara is a total stalker and she scares me.

lol

[Dreadstruck]

I don't mind the blue gal. Hell, I find her obssesive behaviour about Shepard kinda cute.

What I mind is the Bioware writer favouritism. I mean, look at the amount and quality of her dialogue, scenes, interaction or hell, even the sex scene itself. For example, Ashley/Kaidan looks like a poor DLC sister/brother compared to her.

And yesh, my canon Shep has a thing for Ash

Modifié par Avalla'ch, 17 avril 2012 - 12:39 .

[Chromie]

SergeantSnookie wrote...

Because some people are so cold they don't even want her as a friend, even though she's responsible for you being alive at all, and does nothing but help.

And some people really think they are in love with a ****ing piece companion.