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[J.C. Blade]

tonnactus wrote...

J.C. Blade wrote...

Liara was never in danger. Either Feron kept pulling her out of harm's way or she blasted her way through the oposition like a biotic god of destruction.

Someone,not matter how skillfull/powerfull he/she is,always take a risk by getting into a firefight...

Thats like saying that shepardt wasnt in any danger/dont take any risks because his enemies were defeated at the end anyway...

Except Shepard can actually die in game. In fact, Shepard can die for real in at least two occasions. Show me a page where Liara was in any real, tangible, next-page-we'll-see-blood danger.

I'd also like to know where Liara got her skills of mass destruction in less than a year because I sure could have used it back on Noveria

[StarAce905-2]

BatmanPWNS wrote...

But the worst crime was when Bioware made me have flashbacks about her instead of Tali.

Somehow, people don't complain about BioWare putting in a Joker flashback. Double standards, much?

[Legbiter]

zambingo wrote...

People that don't like Liara are dead inside.

[tonnactus]

J.C. Blade wrote...

Except Shepard can actually die in game. In fact, Shepard can die for real in at least two occasions. Show me a page where Liara was in any real, tangible, next-page-we'll-see-blood danger.

When she crawls through the vents in mars and one of the troopers could have be a little moore accurate with his smg?
And i guess beeing hunted by a spectre didnt count as danger too...

How amusing.

Modifié par tonnactus, 17 avril 2012 - 05:24 .

[Han Shot First]

I love how people on the BSN overreact to things and greatly exaggerate character traits. The most glaring example is Ashley being called a racist and a bible thumper, despite the fact that she is writen as neither. But a similar thing goes on with Liara as well, to a smaller extent. She is extremely loyal to Shepard, and some people blow that out of proportion and accuse her of being a stalker.

The stalker accusation is laughably ridiculous when you really think about it. Of all the Mass Effect 1 LIs Liara is the most mature if you break it off with her or romance someone else in Mass Effect 2. The Virmire survivor in contrast is far more jealous. Liara may have a snarky line or two in LotSB, but beyond that she wishes Shepard happiness if Shepard chooses someone else.

[PrinceLionheart]

StarAce905-2 wrote...

BatmanPWNS wrote...

But the worst crime was when Bioware made me have flashbacks about her instead of Tali.

Somehow, people don't complain about BioWare putting in a Joker flashback. Double standards, much?

Joker didn't take the LI slot. 

[J.C. Blade]

tonnactus wrote...

J.C. Blade wrote...

Except Shepard can actually die in game. In fact, Shepard can die for real in at least two occasions. Show me a page where Liara was in any real, tangible, next-page-we'll-see-blood danger.

When she crawls through the vents in mars and one of the troopers could have be a little moore accurate with his smg?
And i guess beeing hunted by a spectre didnt count as danger too...

How amusing.

She evades, successfully, a sniper and a bomb with no help from Shepard whatsoever. Apparently Lady Luck, or the writers if you prefer, are on her side because she didn't get so much as a bump on her head in either of those occasions.

Modifié par J.C. Blade, 17 avril 2012 - 05:33 .

[Han Shot First]

J.C. Blade wrote...

tonnactus wrote...

J.C. Blade wrote...

Except Shepard can actually die in game. In fact, Shepard can die for real in at least two occasions. Show me a page where Liara was in any real, tangible, next-page-we'll-see-blood danger.

When she crawls through the vents in mars and one of the troopers could have be a little moore accurate with his smg?
And i guess beeing hunted by a spectre didnt count as danger too...

How amusing.

She evades, successfully, a sniper and a bomb. Apparently Lady Luck, or the writers if you prefer, are on her side because she didn't get so much as a bump on her head in either of those occasions.

The allegations of writer favoritism don't really hold water, when you consider that most of the squad survives Mass Effect 1. Of the Mass Effect 1 squad only Wrex and one of the human squadmates die. While Liara doesn't die in ME1, neither does the Virmire Survivor, Garrus and Tali.

Liara survives Mass Effect 2 only because she only had a small cameo in that game and wasn't on the squad. It can't really be argued that Liara is the writer's pet when Team Dextro is on the squad in all three games. I'm sure most fans of Liara would have rather she was a full squadmate in Mass Effect 2 rather than just the small cameo she got, and thus a potential casualty in the suicide mission.

[lillitheris]

Oh, cripes. The LI slot in the ending is obviously just a stupid bug, consistent with the terrible quality of the final sequence overall.

[Mirajin]

I don't mind her forcing herself on me at all. I still go for Tali/Garrus on my Sheps...but Liara can give me whatever she wants on the side. Only Kaidan in ME1 seemed to have a problem with this. What a little b*tch he is.

Shepard: Wait...can't I have you both? Could be fun.
Liara: Oh my....well...that sounds interesting.
Kaidan: Shepard how could you! I loved you since Kindergarten, you are my entire world! Waaaaaah!!!

Modifié par Mirajin, 17 avril 2012 - 05:46 .

[J.C. Blade]

Han Shot First wrote...
The allegations of writer favoritism don't really hold water, when you consider that most of the squad survives Mass Effect 1. Of the Mass Effect 1 squad only Wrex and one of the human squadmates die. While Liara doesn't die in ME1, neither does the Virmire Survivor, Garrus and Tali.

Liara survives Mass Effect 2 only because she only had a small cameo in that game and wasn't on the squad. It can't really be argued that Liara is the writer's pet when Team Dextro is on the squad in all three games. I'm sure most fans of Liara would have rather she was a full squadmate in Mass Effect 2 rather than just the small cameo she got, and thus a potential casualty in the suicide mission.

The entire ME2 team can die, Garrus and Tali too. And in ME3 whoever survived Virmire can die as well. In the entire game I never once feared for Liara's fate while I did worry hell of a lot for my ME2 team since some of them ended up dying despite me going through their loyalty missions and assigning them to their appropriate tasks.

[Tugga_gott]

Liara is my first choose in LI, but I still think it's silly she can't die, every other LI can.
When I began playing ME3 I was afraid Bioware would kill of Liara if I didn't watch my back, but it didn't happen. I think the romance would be more powerful if she would be able to die at some point.

[J.C. Blade]

lillitheris wrote...

Oh, cripes. The LI slot in the ending is obviously just a stupid bug, consistent with the terrible quality of the final sequence overall.

It's not a bug. They never made LI cutscenes for anyone else but Liara, Kaidan and Ashley - with default being Liara.

[Gaurthurt]

its look like bioware talk us that we MUST love liara. we can kill garrus and tali in me2. virmire survivor in me1 and me3 and Tali in me3. stupid liara is immortal. i dont need stupid shadow broker. most pissing thing is flashback in the end and liara face when my li was another character

[lillitheris]

J.C. Blade wrote...

lillitheris wrote...

Oh, cripes. The LI slot in the ending is obviously just a stupid bug, consistent with the terrible quality of the final sequence overall.

It's not a bug. They never made LI cutscenes for anyone else but Liara, Kaidan and Ashley - with default being Liara.

The rumour I heard was that they forgot to add the other clips or that they got removed in gold somehow, and yes, the default is Liara when the expected file isn't found. But, I admit that I can't substantiate that.

Surely BioWare couldn't be stupid enough to actually just ignore…well, OK, you may have a point.

Anyway, my main point here is that the problem isn't the Liara character, it's that the other characters don't get enough help.

[J.C. Blade]

lillitheris wrote...
The rumour I heard was that they forgot to add the other clips or that they got removed in gold somehow, and yes, the default is Liara when the expected file isn't found. But, I admit that I can't substantiate that.

Surely BioWare couldn't be stupid enough to actually just ignore…well, OK, you may have a point.

Anyway, my main point here is that the problem isn't the Liara character, it's that the other characters don't get enough help.

Supposedly due to time constraints, yes. I don't really buy that either.

I don't really have a problem with the amount of content Liara has in comparison with other characters, I really don't. Obviously I would be a hypocrite if I said that I didn't want more content for others because I do, but the amount of Liara in the game is not what's bugging me.

I don't really care that she has an eternal crush on Shepard (if not romanced), I just want to have enough control over my character to tell her, and any other teammate depending on the playthrough and Shepard, that they are NOT friends. That she should keep her concerns to herself and not bother the Commander. To put a clear line with "We're business associates, nothing more." In the same way Shepard can tell Vega to cut out with nicknames.

I just want the option to decide for my Shepard who is seen as a friend on this one-of-many playthrough, and who isn't. That's it. No more.

[Grimwick]

lillitheris wrote...

J.C. Blade wrote...

lillitheris wrote...

Oh, cripes. The LI slot in the ending is obviously just a stupid bug, consistent with the terrible quality of the final sequence overall.

It's not a bug. They never made LI cutscenes for anyone else but Liara, Kaidan and Ashley - with default being Liara.

The rumour I heard was that they forgot to add the other clips or that they got removed in gold somehow, and yes, the default is Liara when the expected file isn't found. But, I admit that I can't substantiate that.

Surely BioWare couldn't be stupid enough to actually just ignore…well, OK, you may have a point.

Anyway, my main point here is that the problem isn't the Liara character, it's that the other characters don't get enough help.

^ I don't get why they blame Liara's character for this. It's BW's fault if anything for being so lazy. Why do people insist on blaming a character who's completely blameless?

[J.C. Blade]

Because it was the straw that broke the camel's back. Liara already has the best and the most of the content, romance or otherwise, so when people who have, despite it, stuck to their guns and chosen LI throughout the series see HER at the end, well... Have you seen any of the Bioware developers answering to questions as to why all other romances got a poorer treatment, some faring much worse than others to top it?

[lillitheris]

J.C. Blade wrote...

I don't really care that she has an eternal crush on Shepard (if not romanced), I just want to have enough control over my character to tell her, and any other teammate depending on the playthrough and Shepard, that they are NOT friends. That she should keep her concerns to herself and not bother the Commander. To put a clear line with "We're business associates, nothing more." In the same way Shepard can tell Vega to cut out with nicknames.

I suppose that's fair. It should be (mostly) easy to remove the problematic parts. It's sort of the opposite move from from most of my LI improvements, but certainly worthwhile

(I agree, you've got to be dead inside to not like Liara, but I can't see a reason why you shouldn't be able to play a Shepard like that!)

((And we've not really seen any developers answer anything, so I'm not sure that's a good measure))

(((I could add it to my LI improvements as a special note to substitute for Liara, although it seems they'd probably have to add some extra dialogue…)))

Modifié par lillitheris, 17 avril 2012 - 06:58 .

[J.C. Blade]

lillitheris wrote...
(I agree, you've got to be dead inside to not like Liara, but I can't see a reason why you shouldn't be able to play a Shepard like that!)

I suppose I must be some sort of undead then <_<
Really, she's not an Angel descended form Heaven to warrant comments like that 

[lillitheris]

J.C. Blade wrote...

lillitheris wrote...
(I agree, you've got to be dead inside to not like Liara, but I can't see a reason why you shouldn't be able to play a Shepard like that!)

I suppose I must be some sort of undead then <_<
Really, she's not an Angel descended form Heaven to warrant comments like that 

I exaggerate a little. She did save you, though

[J.C. Blade]

lillitheris wrote...

J.C. Blade wrote...

lillitheris wrote...
(I agree, you've got to be dead inside to not like Liara, but I can't see a reason why you shouldn't be able to play a Shepard like that!)

I suppose I must be some sort of undead then <_<
Really, she's not an Angel descended form Heaven to warrant comments like that 

I exaggerate a little. She did save you, though

She didn't. Feron did. Cerberus did. Miranda did. Liara just blasted her way through everything like a brute. Cerberus assault team or Miranda/Jacob team could do that. She was part of the team that got Shepard out but she was never "vital".

[DeinonSlayer]

J.C. Blade wrote...

lillitheris wrote...
(I agree, you've got to be dead inside to not like Liara, but I can't see a reason why you shouldn't be able to play a Shepard like that!)

I suppose I must be some sort of undead then <_<
Really, she's not an Angel descended form Heaven to warrant comments like that 

Yeah... she was instrumental to success in ME1 and assisted in the recovery of Shepard, but I find it hard to ignore that her personal quest for revenge against the shadow broker took priority over hundreds of thousands of abducted colonists.

[SovereignWillReturn]

Told the betch to shove it in ME1, told her to shove it in ME2, and she still tried in ME3. I really wish I had the chance to shoot her, just like I did to the VI because theyre both hella annoying.