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[BDelacroix]

Oddly I never felt like Liara was forcing herself on me.  It seemed almost everyone else tried at one point.

[Yalision]

If the ending is made better, I'll be playing with Liara as my LI =)

[googler12]

I agree that Liara is "Forced" on you. In ME1 I always thought she was the most boring squad member. Garrus,Wrex,Ashley and even Tali had pretty good arcs. I never had a problem with Garrus's "forced" friendship, I dunno maybe because in ME1 you were kinda like a mentor to him(with making him become more paragon or renegade), and in ME2 he was one of the only people you could trust. It was really jarring for my Shepard to be cracking jokes with her all of a sudden in LoTSB. It just came out of no where. I really don't understand the appeal for her, it seems like she went through a personality disorder. People seem to love her because she "Perfect".Ashley was the much more interesting romance in ME1 because she developed (to be more trusting of aliens (though they kinda messed this up in ME@2) and not to sacrifice herself).

/rant

[The_Other_M]

The sooner you realize that Liara is Shepard's "default" Love Interest the better off you'll be.

[fdgvdddvdfdfbdfb]

Rape whistle dlc.

[googler12]

Nobodies trolling. People just have different opinions and feel the need to share them. Liaras the hardest character to ignore , which is kind of the point of the thread.

[Serp86]

I think the problem is Liara, Joker and the new guys are the only crewmembers that can't die throughout the whole series ( well yeah technically they can but oh well ). Of course the guaranteed squadmate that most people already know will get the most screentime to progress the story with dialogue

I don't particularly like Liara but i get why she's forced upon us that much. It kinda creepy if you don't romance her though since she comes off as a Stalker , very much like Rose in two and a half men was.

Modifié par Serp86, 19 avril 2012 - 04:39 .

[Stevebo]

I think Liara and Shepard share a bond regardless of whether she is your LI.
In ME1 when talking to her you basically find out she's been nothing but a book worm and rarely around "people" and that she never actually "bonded" with anyone before. The ME1 Liara is awkward socially and is unsure emotionally.
I liked Liara because of how her character grows as the series has gone on. She lost her innocence and went through some ordeals that in the end hardened her.

I mean this girl actually went after your rotting corpse to bring you back, how can you hate her even if you don't really like her?

[J.C. Blade]

lillitheris wrote...

ENorman94 wrote...

Neria Rose wrote...

lillitheris wrote...

Just flat-out false. If Liara hadn't been trying to get Shepard, the Broker would have had the body safely out in the first book. Same result if she hadn't pursued further. Of course Liara couldn't have done it alone – and didn't – but the fundamental truth is that without her, Shepard would be collector paste or worse.

It's really quite sad that you have to go to these lengths to try to dislike a character

Are you really trying to sell that an organization as resourceful as Cerberus would be unable to find a replacement for Liara? That they would have been entirely unable to retrieve Shepard's body without her? Please. Unless a dev states otherwise, if Liara hadn't been present, Cerberus would have used someone else (preferably not an old squadmate), easy peasy.

In fact, wasnt Cerberus already looking for Shepard.

Yes, and they had failed. They needed Liara to get her. Anyway, y'all clearly way off the deep end on this so have fun with your nemesis…

Not true. They had the ship with Shepard's body in range of their guns. Miranda even asked if they should fire. The only reason why they hadn't shot it down was because TIM wanted to know the reason behind the Collectors' interest in Shepard. Again, Liara did nothing that Cerberus assault team couldn't do.

Also, you keep looking down on people and sprinkling veiled insults on anyone who don't hold Liara close to their heart doesn't help the matter.

Modifié par J.C. Blade, 19 avril 2012 - 05:05 .

[Daennikus]

Swimming Ferret wrote...

Eh, Liara's basically the canon LI for Bioware thus the lavished attention. I do wish you had the option to tell her to shove it in ME3 though, as one of my Sheps is fairly xenophobic, but no, you can only be mildly cold to her. I miss ME1, where you could be a rude dick to everyone.

Even rude dicks can get soft near the end. 

I found Liara's boobs creepy in ME3 though, as they seemed to be growing around her sides. That was the main thing that weirded me out with her. :|

Those, my friend, were the most realistic pair of boobs you could find in the game. Perhaps you haven't met enough full-chested females in your time off. But in my opinion those breasts are Liara's most believable content.

[holdenagincourt]

SkyeHawk89 wrote...

People knew that If you didn't like the character you don't have to talk to them? That what I don't understand. I hate trolls, hateful people, jealous and you know.

I love Liara ever since the first game. Liara also the only good Alien, Female Character. I think Humans are boring. I mainly play female Shepard. I like Femshep better. I love everything of Liara she have a interesting background and history, Liara also saved Shepard not Miranda.

Samara? Shiala? Detective Anyala? TALI? And if you mean good as in engaging characters rather than morally good...I personally find many female alien characters more intriguing than Liara despite being given only a sliver of the screentime lavished upon her. I don't hate Liara, but I think her transition from socially isolated, awkward, sheltered, barely-out-of-her-teens-in-Asari-years archaelogist to the most powerful information broker in the galaxy within a 24 month span of time strains credulity. She didn't even have credibility within her own field and now she's a rival to TIM? Please.

Yeah, people can choose not to interact with Liara if they don't like her...except the multitude of times cutscenes force you to interact with her in a particular way not of the player's choosing. I don't care about it most of the time because Liara is so milquetoast that embracing her or making warm small talk seems like something my Shepard wouldn't be against, but why not give people the option? Oh right, because everyone loves Liara.

[LaurenShepard-N7]

Liara in particular doesn't bother me, rather the forced friendships in ME3 in general. In ME1 you could be a huge racist ass to anyone and everyone and it was hilarious "because he's a big stupid jellyfish!" ahh good times.

[Capt_Flashheart]

SkyeHawk89 wrote...

People knew that If you didn't like the character you don't have to talk to them?

That doesn't work with Liara. You can't just not talk to her. The problem is that too much of Liara's dialogue is unavoidable. Every other squadmate can be pretty much left alone after joining the Normandy and they will do the same for Shepard. With Liara, no matter what the player does she will always come up to the captain's cabin multiple times and try to talk about feelings with Shepard. She is also a mandatory squadmate for more missions than any other crew member.

Her behavior makes it seem like she has a thing for Shepard regardless of how Shepard acts towards her. Liara fans see this as a good thing. For people who don't like her, it's just awkward and kind of sad.

[Zambayoshi]

zambingo wrote...

People that don't like Liara are dead inside.

Kidding. To each our own.

P.S. But seriously, yeah... dead inside.

P.P.S. Liara can force herself on me anytime.

P.P.P.S. <--- is that even a thing? Miranda's Butt.

I wholeheartedly endorse these comments.

[Swimming Ferret]

Daennikus wrote...

Swimming Ferret wrote...

Eh, Liara's basically the canon LI for Bioware thus the lavished attention. I do wish you had the option to tell her to shove it in ME3 though, as one of my Sheps is fairly xenophobic, but no, you can only be mildly cold to her. I miss ME1, where you could be a rude dick to everyone.

Even rude dicks can get soft near the end. 

I found Liara's boobs creepy in ME3 though, as they seemed to be growing around her sides. That was the main thing that weirded me out with her. :|

Those, my friend, were the most realistic pair of boobs you could find in the game. Perhaps you haven't met enough full-chested females in your time off. But in my opinion those breasts are Liara's most believable content.

LOL I am a full chested female but I don't have  weird sidewarping boobs. That and Liara basically tripled in cupsize in the span of a few years was odd. But Ashley was the same, made even more obvious when she's in hospital in that shirt. Her boobs were like rocks under there ha.

For ninjamance, the worst game was ME1, without a doubt. At least Liara asks if you want to be with her. Kaidan just took it for granted when I was nice to him( which apparently means 'I WANT IN YOUR PANTS' In ME), so I had to be a rude b!tch for him to go away. The convo was hilarious though..."I'm getting a lot of mixed signals from you Shepard...and some static."

But I found her best bro status in ME3 annoying. My Shep wanted to talk to her Garbear. And have him as her final thought, not the asari.

Modifié par Swimming Ferret, 19 avril 2012 - 08:18 .

[zeph08]

googler12 wrote...

Nobodies trolling. People just have different opinions and feel the need to share them. Liaras the hardest character to ignore , which is kind of the point of the thread.

they see me trollin'  !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Chakuura]

I kind of like that Liara shows continued interest in Shepard, it's pretty heartbreaking. She is so devoted to Shepard, even if you don't romance her, she's not really ****y about it if you romance someone else so I don't see the issue.

[Grimwick]

Capt_Flashheart wrote...

SkyeHawk89 wrote...

People knew that If you didn't like the character you don't have to talk to them?

That doesn't work with Liara. You can't just not talk to her. The problem is that too much of Liara's dialogue is unavoidable. Every other squadmate can be pretty much left alone after joining the Normandy and they will do the same for Shepard. With Liara, no matter what the player does she will always come up to the captain's cabin multiple times and try to talk about feelings with Shepard. She is also a mandatory squadmate for more missions than any other crew member.

Her behavior makes it seem like she has a thing for Shepard regardless of how Shepard acts towards her. Liara fans see this as a good thing. For people who don't like her, it's just awkward and kind of sad.

Tali/Garrus both have a thing for Shepard regardless of how you act (not always a 'thing' depending on gender).

There are a few mandatory cut scenes with Liara like as you said, the cabin. But usually you can say 'I don't want to talk about it' and the convo fast forwards. It's just laziness from the BW team that these scenes weren't with your LI. 
She is indeed a mandatory squadmate more times, but usually there is a purpose. On Mars I don't really see anyone else there except James and when going to find Javik I think it would be a bit weird to say 'yeah let's ignore my prothean expert on the team and bring team dextro@@'.  

If you really hate her that much then just skip the conversations?

[J.C. Blade]

Chakuura wrote...

I kind of like that Liara shows continued interest in Shepard, it's pretty heartbreaking. She is so devoted to Shepard, even if you don't romance her, she's not really ****y about it if you romance someone else so I don't see the issue.

It's a problem because, believe it or not, there are people who are not overly fond of Liara and would prefer to treat her as a mere "business associate" instead of Shepard adopting gentle-best-friends-for-ever tone whenever they speak. And they speak a lot curtsy of cut-scenes.

This goes for ALL forced friendships, Garrus, Tali and other included. You, as a player in roleplaying game, should be the one to chose who [insert name here] Shepard's best bud is.

[StarAce905-2]

MsKlaussen wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...
The only way to avoid romancing her in ME1 is to either...

How can a valid sentence that starts off like this exist regarding a game in which there is no way to avoid a romance with Liara?

Did you even play any of the Mass Effect games?

[Eire Icon]

This is riddiculous, you can choose to romance Liara or choose not too. The game does not force anything on Shepard.

Yes Liara is attracted to Shepard, thats part of her character, which is perfectly reasonable.

Unreciprocated feelings are a fact of life that happen everyday

[Chakuura]

J.C. Blade wrote...

Chakuura wrote...

I kind of like that Liara shows continued interest in Shepard, it's pretty heartbreaking. She is so devoted to Shepard, even if you don't romance her, she's not really ****y about it if you romance someone else so I don't see the issue.

It's a problem because, believe it or not, there are people who are not overly fond of Liara and would prefer to treat her as a mere "business associate" instead of Shepard adopting gentle-best-friends-for-ever tone whenever they speak. And they speak a lot curtsy of cut-scenes.

This goes for ALL forced friendships, Garrus, Tali and other included. You, as a player in roleplaying game, should be the one to chose who [insert name here] Shepard's best bud is.

This is true, Shepard shouldn't act as if they are super duper friends without player input. I wasn't really talking about that, more just the way Liara acts around Shepard, in that she is attracted to him/her whether or not Shepard is interested in her, which I find to be completely reasonable.

ME1 did allow a lot of this kind of behaviour, you could be rude to almost anyone or develop a friendship with them, but that kind of vanished in me2 and especially in me3 with a lot of the automatic dialogue.

Modifié par Chakuura, 19 avril 2012 - 11:39 .

[b2smooth]

StarAce905-2 wrote...

MsKlaussen wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...
The only way to avoid romancing her in ME1 is to either...

How can a valid sentence that starts off like this exist regarding a game in which there is no way to avoid a romance with Liara?

Did you even play any of the Mass Effect games?

Just what I was thinking.

And other than Shepard, Liara and Garrus are really the two main characters in this series.  Possibly Tali as well.

Modifié par b2smooth, 19 avril 2012 - 11:50 .