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[Methanoid666]

when your staring at a characters arse/backside all day i wanna stare at a womans arse, not a mans tbh.

[darkblade]

I feel bad for the males in MLP:FiM because the entire planet not only looks like god barfed a rainbow across the earth, but because of how ponies are named a guy has a 99% chance of having a really fruity name...so i cant bring myself to name my male adept "Twilight Sparkle" thus i use the female.

[RegularX]

Lynx7725 wrote...

Shrug. If I'm going to look at the back end of a human for hours on end, it may as well be a female behind. And Hale's VA still have lines in MP.

This.

[Luigitornado]

Because you like the class?

As for human female option...you can play around with different builds.

[Jay Leon Hart]

I spec Human Males as single target damage machines.
I spec Human Females as AoE crowd control monsters.

So it depends on what the team needs.

[Malkeor]

RegularX wrote...

Lynx7725 wrote...

Shrug. If I'm going to look at the back end of a human for hours on end, it may as well be a female behind. And Hale's VA still have lines in MP.

This.

Hahah I can't disagree! 

[Major Durza]

Well, this certainly got quite a reaction.  A lot of questions answered, and a ton of jumping down everyone's throats.
I'm not going to quote everything, and these quotes are in no particular order.  But here are a few posts that caught my eye.

This has a ton of quotes, I am responding to basically a summary of this thread.

[quote]ZombieGambit wrote...
You have it backwards. It's weird in SP because you're supposed to "be" Shepard. In MP I play as females all the time because I spec the males and females completely differently. Take my Infiltrator class for example:
Male: Sniper with max weapon damageFemale: Melee with max melee damage[/quote]
Ah, well it seems we have a different way of viewing things.  When I play SP, its more akin to a somewhat more interactive movie.  I do not envision myself in the story at all.  In terms of making a female Shepard, it is one of the few very interesting female characters out there.
I tend to think of MP as more of a representation of yourself... to an extent.

[quote]nuculerman wrote...
[quote]Shadowsword8 wrote...
Your problem seem to be that you project your real life identify into your in-game representation. You shouldn't.
If you do that, of course you'll find weird to play a different gender. But it is as stupid as claiming that males who play males in MMOs must be gay because they prefer to stare at a male's butt than a female one.
I don't invest any importance to gender, and I play males and females in ME3 indifferently, choosing only by the slightly different skill builds.
[/quote]
You do understand the concept of a role playing game, right?  Some people, myself included, actually played ME for the RPG aspects, and find it uncomfortable role playing as a female.  Let's stop criticizing each others play styles and enjoy the game in our own ways.  
Of course this won't happen.  This topic is like bringing up bf3 in a cod forum.  You're going to get 3000 replies, most of them offensive and personal attacks.  Welcome to the Internet.
[/quote] 
I knew this was going to be a ****storm when I wrote the topic.  I did not intend to criticise anyone's style of play.  I expressed my opinion, and asked a question.  The emphasis was on the question, rather than the opinion.  

[quote]coinop25 wrote...
I use the human of each class for a different build. Male sentinel spec'd out of Tech Armor; female sentinel uses it. Male vanguard spec'd out of Shockwave; female uses it. You get the idea. 
I typically set up the female with the powers I think I want to use more, though, as she takes up slightly less space on camera (particularly compared to the big-shouldered male sentinel). 
And I play asari all the time. Love stasis, and their dodge is cool.
All of that said: If a video game is getting you to question your sexuality in uncomfortable ways, it may be worth considering why you're so averse to that kind of pretend. Try playing single player sometime as a woman and romancing a guy; it may help you see things from another perspective. (I'm not saying it'll help you pretend to be gay, or that it will make you gay, but that it's kind of interesting to see how the story might actually FEEL different when you construct it as if it were about a woman instead of about a man – or a man's lesbian fantasy version of a woman.)[/quote] 
This is the kind of answer I was shooting for.  Thank you for the response.The game does not have me question my sexuality, I have no issues with it.  I do not need a game to get my fill of women.

[quote]nuculerman wrote...
It's a role playing game. Even on multiplayer I think of myself as the character on the screen. I therefore never play a female. Obviously this excludes Asari and quarian builds since they give me no choice. But even then I don't play those characters often because it feels wrong. Just my personal preference.[/quote] 
Just a preference, nothing that should catch flak.  I was wondering why people chose as they do, yet I get a few of the personal attacks.  Such conservative preferences are rather popular to bash, it seems.Glad a few people think as I do.

[quote]Liana Nighthawk wrote...
[quote]Major Durza wrote...Maybe its the inner jarhead in me (Military family), but I focus on my target, not my character. Easier to shoot that way. {smilie}[/quote]
One wonders why the gender of someone else’s avatar should bother you, given all this interest in staring at targets.[/quote] 
Well, its more in the lobby.


[quote]Xcimeister wrote...
Strong women for the win? Even fictional ones. [/quote] 
Makes sense in SP, certainly.

[quote]thewalrusx wrote...
This must be the first video game you've played online if playing as a different gender is a new concept to you. Some men would rather look at a woman's backside than a mans while playing and some just like trying something new and different. It really doesn't matter. It sounds like you are just upset because every time you see a female toon you hope its a female player you can harass and have gotten very disappointed.[/quote] 
Most of the MP games I played before were along the lines of Battelfield, Medal of Honor and the like.  No choice for a female character, really.
As for staring at a woman's backside... I agree with the guy who somewhere in here said he does not need his fill of women to come from a game.
And there goes that stereotype of the conservative being a sexual predator again....

[quote]GodlessPaladin wrote...
[quote]Major Durza wrote...
[quote]aternak wrote...
The 50s called. They are asking you to come back, OP.[/quote]
lol, I have been told that many times.Though they tend to say 40's... 
I take such statements as compliments.
[/quote]
You take it as a complement when people point out that your way of thinking is backwards and wrapped up in unjust and myopic prejudices?  [/quote] 
Backwards in what way?Perhaps my statement requires clarification.
Unjust and myopic prejuddices?  I judge no one, that is not my place.  I am a man, so I will act the part.  I will strive to be physically strong, mentaly stable, and forgiving without judgement.  There is a difference between a man and a woman for a reason.  Men are at their best when they are honorable, chivalrous, and masculine.  This is part of what I view a man should be, I will not force this view upon anyone.  I hope you do not think that this way of thinking is backwards.

[quote]kookie28 wrote...
[quote]Major Durza wrote...
I can understand making a female Shep in SP, Hale does beat Meer by a considerable margin  [/quote]No.  Just no.  Hale is like listening to nails on a chalkboard in everything she "acts" in.  The real reason dudes play as femshep, I would assume, would be to ******.  Same goes for the MP characters.  But that's just my opinion.
[/quote] 
Well, Meer sounds like a sports announcer half of the time.  Playing a Paragon male Shepard is too funny to take seriously.  That's my opinion, though.Either way, it is a preference. 

[quote]Shadow of Terror wrote...
They obstruct the view less and have different builds to the male counter part.
Some of us aren't bothered about playing as a female character, we don't have deep seated issues about it that makes us feel like cross dressers that you seem to.[/quote] 
Thank you for the first part of your post, that was productive.Its not an "issue", it is a preference.

[quote]Hathur wrote...
Well now I'm just tempted to make a male character in ME3 just to annoy the OP... wait.. does it apply if women play males? Does that trouble you too?
Either way... he'll be named "Manly-Manny" .. and he'll wear neon pink armor ... and use only the littlest pistol possible. [/quote] 
Ah, so it is fun to annoy the conservative.  As long as you have no delusions about being tolerant, I don't have too much of a problem with that.  Just disappointed that people would go out of their way to simply have a laugh at another's expense.  Humanity has not progressed much, it seems.It made my skin crawl for the first few times, but I don't think I will have an issue with it in the future.  Now that I know a good 50% of people do this, I won't have a problem.

[quote]Irkalla wrote...
How about females playing pink coloured male humans? Does that offend your conservative ways, OP? [/quote] 
Short Answer: No.

[quote]kinglewy00 wrote...
[quote]Major Durza wrote...
I'm beginning to wonder, do you guys end up playing as Human Female characters in MP?
I can understand making a female Shep in SP, Hale does beat Meer by a considerable margin (Particularly in the first game!) but really, in MP?Granted I am a bit conservative on the subject, playing as an Asari would make me feel like a cross-dresser of sorts, but really?  Playing a HUMAN femaie?
I can understand guys playing as an Asari or Quarian, they do have cool power sets... but it really wierds me out when someone's character shows up as "human female" and the voice talking is male.
Well, this is starting to look like a whiny post instead of an inquisitive one...
Restatement,Do guys play as human females (and vice versa), if so why and generally with what frequency? [/quote]
Not sure if trolling or just incredibly insecure about his sexuality.[/quote] 
Neither!  Asking a question.

[quote]1490 wrote...
Also, the OP mentioning "feeling like a crossdresser" playing an Asari is just silly. Do you feel like a crossdresser watching a movie with a female protagonist? I'm secure enough with my masculinity that I don't care who I play. Personally, I've always thought Asari looked really cool with their facial "tattoos," so I like playing them. Plus AA and justicar are just awesome.[/quote] 
I guess you could say that it is "silly".  It probably is, still doesn't make me fully comforable playing as an Asari.  Silly or not, I am not hurting or offending anyone or myself for not playing as one, so I do not see a problem.No, that's watching a move.  I feel like I am watching a movie while playing SP, so I have made a couple of female Shepards.I agree, the AA and AJA are awesome.  Love it when either one is on my team, Biotic esplosions everywhere!

[quote]FeralEwok wrote...
I'm a man, but I am going to use a female avatar to express just what I think of this thread.


Do I threaten your conservative masculine ways OP?[/quote] 
Nope.  You did not answer any part of my question, however.  Going out of your way to attempt to offend someone?  Not very tolerant of you.

[quote]Chromako wrote...
Thinner profile == small target. Adds variety. In SP, the male model is really ugly and has terrible hair. The voice acting by Jennifer Hale is also better for femshep.
For RP, too, as an Adept, physical strength isn't a priority. Their running stamina is equivalent to men, at least in situations for less than a few tens of km, and they can run pretty much just as fast. Women, however, in scientific tests, have been shown to be on average more pain tolerant than men. So they can take hits and keep functioning for longer.
This is also applies to snipers, as a sniper shouldn't be firing from the hip. Right?
Also, as anyone who watches Anime knows, females have better access to hammerspace. That could be quite useful. [/quote] 
Thank you, useful answer.

[quote]cgrimm54 wrote...
[quote]Major Durza wrote...
I'm beginning to wonder, do you guys end up playing as Human Female characters in MP?
I can understand making a female Shep in SP, Hale does beat Meer by a considerable margin (Particularly in the first game!) but really, in MP?Granted I am a bit conservative on the subject, playing as an Asari would make me feel like a cross-dresser of sorts, but really?  Playing a HUMAN femaie?
I can understand guys playing as an Asari or Quarian, they do have cool power sets... but it really wierds me out when someone's character shows up as "human female" and the voice talking is male.
Well, this is starting to look like a whiny post instead of an inquisitive one...
Restatement,Do guys play as human females (and vice versa), if so why and generally with what frequency? [/quote]
Why do I?  For fun.
You want more info?  Sure.
I have two Humans per class, so I get to experiment with builds.  Almost every single one of my humans has a build different than the other gender.  I pick them based on what is needed in each match.  Also, I think the hitbox for females is smaller, especially with the soldier.  The damn Male Human is the size of a Krogan.
Also, I'd recommend you get over the 'crossdressing' thing.  If you were playing Tomb Raider, would you feel weird playing as Lara Croft?  It's all about suspending yourself and separating the character from you.  Sure, self-insert is a great way to play RPGs, but there's also playing as someone who isn't you.  It's how many people here manage to play many different Shepards.
But before I come off as confrontational, I'll just say that if you personally don't like playing as a female character, that's totally fine.  Don't do what you're uncomfortable with.  But saying that other people weird you out by playing as the other gender is a great way to be seen as closed-minded.  If it really bothers you, try to ignore it and keep on playing your male characters.  
[/quote] 
Ah, that was the tone my question seemed to project?  My apologies.  I did not intend to say that people are wierd for playing as female characters, I merely meant to say that I found it odd.Knowing that a lot of people do it, I will ignore it.  Thank you.

[quote]Elijini wrote...
Slighter frame and free respec?

Never understood..a - people being hung up on gender in games,b - why gender matters when they're both almost indistinguishable from one another, apart from size and a few one liners.
I want to emphasize the slighter frame bit again. Seriously, the human female looks like a human body. The human male looks like a steroid junkie.[/quote] 
Thank you for the answer.And yea, all the guys seem to have the same build as Vega.

[quote]IPraetoriaNI wrote...
1) I play human girly engineer because I got the male and the female specced in different ways (male for single target, female for AOE), but besides I "try" to stick with male chars.
2) OP, you clearly didn't play World of Warcraft, where 60% of the "Alliance" faction characters were Night Elf females on every damned server...[/quote] 
Nope, never touched World of Warcraft.

[quote]a ViciousFerret wrote...
My Vanguards are female (because of SP)Soldiers are maleAdepts are FemaleEngineers are maleSentinels are female
Dunno, I guess I associate biotics with females?[/quote] 
Gotcha.  I can see how that makes sense.

[quote]TheBigLebowski wrote...
What a conservative opinion by OP. Go back to the 50s. [/quote] 
How tolerant.

[quote]BaeBunni wrote...
I do 2 human builds just suck it up?[/quote] 
Latter part of the sentence was uneccessary.

[quote]ShdwPlayer wrote...
Lol @ the OP's complaints.
Anyways so yeah I do it cuz I have my human males and females specced differently.[/quote] 
Oh yes, cause other people preferences are so prepostrous.Latter part of your post was on topic, thanks.

[quote]Bolo Xia wrote...
so you are a guy claiming to be strait that would rather stare at a dude from behind the whole time you play....?interesting....i use a different build on each gender, would be nice if the other races had a 2nd gender so i could play different builds without promoting or reseting.one build can get old even it it rocks.also im a dude that plays female characters all the time, because i would rather stare at them than a dude when i game.
[/quote] 
Your argument is frequently used.  However, before you question my sexuality let me ask you a question: Do you need to get your fill of women in a game?


[quote]LemonStimpacks wrote...
For those who said it's an rpg: in a role play game you take the role of a certain character, you do not put yourself in that role.@OP You're shocked by males using human females on mp yet femshep in sp iz fine. ok. x)By the way, the cool thing about having 2genders for the same class is that you can use 2 different builds without respec/promoting. And I'm not even gonna say it's the reason why I play female characters in multiplayer.[/quote] 
Well, I think of SP as more watching a movie.  I tend to associate myself more with the MP characters, but that is just my preference.  And it seems my preference is not shared by the majority.  Noted, and moving on.


[quote]BellaStrega wrote...
The OP's question gets asked way too often on multiplayer/online gaming forums.
However, I find myself looking askance at people talking about staring at their character's ass. I don't understand this, as I never really have time when actually playing to stare at any part of my character. I'm too busy shooting stuff.[/quote] 
There ya go, I am not the only one.

[quote]translationninja wrote...
So, OP, you dun wanna play Asari, huh? Dress one up all black and slap some neon-green pattern 2 stripes on her and you will know why she's VERY pleasant to play as a guy
Just make sure to look for enemies too...[/quote] 
lolol, that's a cool idea.  I can see the appeal to that.

[quote]Aris Ravenstar wrote...
[quote]Major Durza wrote...
playing as an Asari would make me feel like a cross-dresser of sorts, but really?  Playing a HUMAN femaie?[/quote]I do not get this. The weirdest part is, this isn't the first time I've seen a topic like this, it pops up all the time in SP. "Why play a ~girl~ when you can play a MAN?"
I play a male salarian sometimes. That doesn't make me male or an alien. I play a geth sometimes. That doesn't make me a robot. [/quote]
I was talking about the human, mostly.  Given a choice between a human female and a human male (Specs and powers the same) I did not understand why people would choose to play as the opposite gender.I wasn't talking about the alien races that gave only one gender choice

Ignoring the trolls and bashers, thank you all for the answers.  It is not as wierd as I previously thought.  Now, back to econ homework.... and to write a real essay for class tomorrow.

[enormousmoonboots]

I tend to stick with the precedent the demo set--male Soldier/Adept/Engie, female Vanguard/Sentinel/Infiltrator. I'm a woman, but I like variety. Three armor sets*two genders = six unique models. Helps keep things straight.

[M920CAIN]

Well I play as turian sentinel mostly, but I enjoy seeing other people as females, even though they may or may not be guys. It works wonders for my devious hedonistic mind. And I enjoy watchin' those Asari! not to mention that sweet quarian booty... yummy, I'd hit it, since we're both dextro life forms you kno'...

[Gwinever]

DilapidatedCat wrote...

I kinda have to raise my eye brow when people list the 'I prefer to look at a female butt while I play' reason.

While it's an acceptable reason, it's a bit silly. Since you know, you should be looking at the damn banshee/ravager/phantom/baby jesus bearing down on you >_>

I just picture these people dying to dumb stuff all the time, while it's not true in all cases. It still crops up.

actually i only look at the butt inbetween waves:wub: when there is usually nothing to do and my eyes just automaticly wander into that direction:blink:
besides, irl i'm an ass men :innocent:

[Akeotwawki]

Being female, I usually only play those.

I've always wondered about why guys play female characters in SP (in this or other games). I played the default male Shepard once just because, well, he's the icon!

Modifié par Akeotwawki, 17 avril 2012 - 05:37 .

[DilapidatedCat]

Gwinever wrote...

DilapidatedCat wrote...

I kinda have to raise my eye brow when people list the 'I prefer to look at a female butt while I play' reason.

While it's an acceptable reason, it's a bit silly. Since you know, you should be looking at the damn banshee/ravager/phantom/baby jesus bearing down on you >_>

I just picture these people dying to dumb stuff all the time, while it's not true in all cases. It still crops up.

actually i only look at the butt inbetween waves:wub: when there is usually nothing to do and my eyes just automaticly wander into that direction:blink:
besides, irl i'm an ass men :innocent:

Touché

[Ibn_Shisha]

DilapidatedCat wrote...

I kinda have to raise my eye brow when people list the 'I prefer to look at a female butt while I play' reason.

While it's an acceptable reason, it's a bit silly. Since you know, you should be looking at the damn banshee/ravager/phantom/baby jesus bearing down on you >_>

I just picture these people dying to dumb stuff all the time, while it's not true in all cases. It still crops up.

I agree to some extent - considering the heavy armor most of the MP characters are in, I have a hard time "seeing" the "benefits".

Now, femshep in the Hahne-Kedar greaves.... That's a whole 'nother story

Still haven't gotten killed by it, though.

[Taritu]

This is a question that comes up a lot. I spend 24/7 as a male, why not play as a female occasionally in a game? Not that it makes much difference at all.

In the SP I strongly prefer femshep due to Hale's VA.

[iPryde]

Nope. I usually play as a male. But I don't see the problem if they play as a female. Does it matter?

[AK404]

Dillon79 wrote...

The only time i play female human is if i think my male human powers need to be reset and don't want to waste a respec card.

This.  Two genders = two specs.

[Major Durza]

iPryde wrote...

Nope. I usually play as a male. But I don't see the problem if they play as a female. Does it matter?

My original post was meant to be more of a question than a complaint... I did write it at 1 in the morning, so it might not have come across that way.

Will amend it after the next mad study session.

[Daeion]

Honestly the human females look pretty manish in game IMO.

[Wintermaulz]

I do cause I'm a /d/eviant , and we're weird.

[Bhatair]

Different builds.
My human engineers for example, one is built with a full shields/damage drone and the other is less drone more fitness. One of my human vanguards has full nova and the other has half. One of my human infiltrators is a sniper the other is built for shotguns, etc. etc.

[deaths origin]

i do it to have 2 different builds

[ExOriginz]

I got different builds for both, Human Male For defense, durability and Female for lethality and pure destruction. that how i like women ... aggressive

[withneelandi]

Major Durza wrote...

I'm beginning to wonder, do you guys end up playing as Human Female characters in MP?

I can understand making a female Shep in SP, Hale does beat Meer by a considerable margin (Particularly in the first game!) but really, in MP?
Granted I am a bit conservative on the subject, playing as an Asari would make me feel like a cross-dresser of sorts, but really?  Playing a HUMAN femaie?

I can understand guys playing as an Asari or Quarian, they do have cool power sets... but it really wierds me out when someone's character shows up as "human female" and the voice talking is male.

Well, this is starting to look like a whiny post instead of an inquisitive one...

Restatement,
Do guys play as human females (and vice versa), if so why and generally with what frequency? 

I do, sometimes.

The way I see it you can max out 2 of the 3 powers on a character, you do the male with a focus on 2 powers and build the female the alternative way. That means you can alternate between the 2 depending on whether you want say grenades or cryo blast.

The character being male or female is utterly irrelevant to me.

I think you are reading a bit too much into all this....

[frozngecko]

Doesn't really matter. My best engineer is a female and my best vanguard is a male.

[Faded-Myth]

Major Durza wrote...

aternak wrote...

The 50s called. They are asking you to come back, OP.

lol, I have been told that many times.
Though they tend to say 40's...

I take such statements as compliments.

So you believe the place of a woman is in the kitchen, and that their college activities are limited to home economics? I dress in fitted waistcoats, fedora or akubra hats and zootsuit pants at my workplace, but it doesn't mean I want to revert to backwards, archaic social standards.

You also mentioned earlier that male standards should be physically strong, mentally stable and forgiving. Do you mean to say women can not be any of these things? If not, you need to reword your statement, because I know plenty of military women (and simply those who work out and have steady lifestyles) that are very fit. I know women that go jogging, cycling and also run obstacle courses modeled after the kind you get at bootcamp. Most of these women are fitter than a lot of guys I know, and are very stable emotionally. Not all women are quivering wrecks. Similarly, I know many men who are easily jealous and quick to temper.

Social standards aren't something that stick to a specific trait for the eternity of life. As we evolve physically, so does our culture. We no longer live in a lifestyle where being the man of the house means being inherrantly dominant. More and more these days it's about being mutual, without losing what makes you a man. Sure, you can be the bulky, even tempered and intelligent man you want to be. But the woman has every right to be on that same level as you. Make the same decisions about life and be just as active in every aspect of it. It doesn't mean you're removed from your pedastel of masculinity. You're simply sharing it with someone who is your equal in terms of value and humanity. It's not an insult to who you are as a man. I'm not saying that you need to go all metro and prissy. I think it's just fine and healthy to have all the traits that make you a man, but you can't expect it weird for men to share any traits that females may have, or to accept that females may themselves share some traits that people associate with males.

I play as both males and females because it's a video game. I like the variety of bopth genders, and the pros and cons that come with both (ie: class abilities, size, visual customization, etc). I'm straight and married, and it doesn't bother my wife or myself one bit.

Modifié par Faded-Myth, 17 avril 2012 - 08:58 .