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[tomcplotts]

Honestly, I didn't take anything. Even the red ending is a concession from the AI Uberlord who apparently decided that suicide was a solution.

I was *given* three choices. More or less. I took one. It was a boon from the Reaper god, not anything I actually earned. He didn't have to beam me up on the elevator. He could've had TIM shoot me in the face. Hard truth is, we lost that battle in military terms. I didn't do sh*t.

[Kunari801]

Allan Schumacher wrote...
I'm not proposing it as an either/or.  I'm just trying to make sense out of this idea of "Do you feel like you took back Earth?"

For example, you say that seeing the scenes of Drell, Krogan, etc. doing awesome things would help you feel like you are taking back Earth.  My question for you is: Would the feeling of taking back Earth felt significantly different if the kickass scenes you would have liked to have seen with the various races still existed but just with humans.

i.e. Is the lack of feeling of taking back Earth more due to a general lack of content (show the fight), or more due to the lack of seeing the combined forces.

No I don't feel I took back Earth.  I would have liked the Earth story arc to have been longer with more battles than just one.  The ending also doesn't give the sense of "Taking Back Earth" it just stops. 

The ME universe has always been dark enough that I expected that this time my Shepard would have to die to save the galaxy. Thus, I always expected a sad ending, but one that made sense. The scene with Anderson and Shepard bleeding out in orbit was what I expected.  I expected to possibly loose more squad mates and see friends die up to and including going down with a few of them at the end: 

My first play through: I expected to die with Anderson while watching the Reapers get destroyed and "Winning" then cut scenes of our squad-mates and friends fighting and maybe some of them dying too (Jack and her adepts taking on some husks) (Wrex kicking ass as Reaper reinforcements charge his team) (Swarm of Rackni descending on Reaper troops tearing them apart limb by limb) (Geth and Quarians side-by-side assaulting a Reaper fortification) (Joker and Hackett with the fleet doing full broadsides into a Harbinger sized Reaper) ending with triumph. 

Then cut to an eulogy scene where the survivors morn the losses while comforting each other. (Pan up to see Earth hurt but not destroyed) 

Close with a "X-years after" scene with the survivors getting together for a reunion at the unveiling ceremony of the Reaper War Memorial with their children and families. Pull out to see the Earth rebuilding, then quick-zoom out to full galaxy then in to other major planets: Rannoch, Tuchanka, and show the Citadel being repaired/rebuilt.   

Post credits you could have Stargazer still. 

That kind of ending would have let me feel I saved Earth the one we have did not.  You could even take the outline for one of the three-color endings even just have to make adjustments.   You coudl also take the outline but have Shepard live!  

Modifié par Kunari801, 17 avril 2012 - 05:43 .

[Sifr]

No, not really.

I'd have been nice to see all of my squadmates doing something during the street-battle. I'm facing a ton of Brutes, Banshees, Husks, Ravagers, Marauders with my standard backup, while the rest of the team do... what exactly? Hang out with Anderson and Major Coats?

Maybe it should have been like the (vastly superior) Suicide Mission, where you have split up the team and decide what team is going where, who is leading them and this could have affected the mission based on it?

Heck, maybe making the the entire sequence longer by having Shepard and co retake and secure various strategic zones around London before they could have made the Big Push towards the beam?

As it was, I'd rather have been in the Space Battle instead...

(At least then I could have been on the Normandy and prevented Joker from running a-gorram-way!)

[SlyTF1]

No. I didn't want to take back earth anyway, because I don't give a damn about earth. I do feel like I kind of damned the entire galaxy and played with powers far beyond my control. Shepard is a mortal, which means it was not his place to comit genocide against an entire race of beings or change the physics of the universe. So all the options feel way too freaking overpowering and they felt unrealistic.

[Conundrum129]

Allan Schumacher wrote...

I know there are some that found Priority: Earth to just kind of fall flat anyways. Trying your best, do people feel that they didn't take Earth back because of the bleakness of the ending and the sequence with the Catalyst, or because you were underwhelmed by the mission.

No doubt some feel both combined into the lack of any "Take Back Earth" feeling. I guess I'm also curious if people felt the ending made people reflect on the Priority: Earth mission more negatively (people are less forgiving when in an upset mood)


My thoughts:
Priority Earth had some good parts and I think I let myself get caught up in the crescendo. The waves of guys didn't bother me since it made sense to me to be fighting hordes of guys. I did enjoy the sequence at the missiles and found it quite challenging as I pretty much blew all my medi-gels trying to survive it. Though I don't feel the ending really stood out in any way compared to other levels, which I can see being some of the expectations people would have had. The climaxes of Rannoch and Tuchanka still stand out to me as being the most memorable and moving parts of the game, including their conclusions, and Earth wasn't quite like that.

As for the Catalyst and endgame, the best there is is a high EMS ending that shows the Reapers either leaving or getting destroyed, meaning that we probably did take Earth back, but the openness of the ending doesn't explicitly remove any uncertainty.

I did feel like I took back earth...just I didn't have a "WOO PARTY WE TOOK BACK EARTH!" more like a "I did it...but it cost a lot to do so". Just how I felt.

I think this pretty much sums up the way I felt.

For my Shepard, if he is telling the truth, which I believe he is, then no option in front of me accomplishes my goal to stop "The Cycle". If you couldn't tell, I really hate the ending............

Why wouldn't the Control ending break the cycle? I've seen people write that Synthesis wouldn't necessarily prevent the creation of new synthetics, but if Shepard truly maintains the ability to control the Reapers, then they bend to his will. It would seem like the cycle would only not break if Shepard decided he wanted to go and do some Reaping, which seems unlike Shepard (especially Paragon Shepard).




Cheers.

Allan


EDIT:
I had to add this:

1: A D-Day type invasion into London. Call it the Normandy Invasion if you will

Well played.  Opportunity missed by the writers there for sure! 

Ba ha ha ha! I like this human! He understands!

But seriously I did take the time to read though all of this and I fully agree with you.  The ball really seemed to be dropped for the last mission which was rather disapointing.  Every other part of the game had me emotionally invested in what I was doing and I honestly just didn't feel it at the end really.

Every death of a friend made me more determaned to beat the Reapers and Cerberus.  Every mission made me want to bring the biggest, baddest fleet ever seen to the fight with the Reapers along with the largest and most powerful ground force that anyone had ever seen. 

This felt like it was all for nothing in the last mission.  Where were the Krogan that were helping me, where were the Turians, the Geth, the Quarians, the Asari, the Salarians, and the Spectre(s) that were going to join the battle?  You never see them on the ground fighting except in the cut scenes.  All I could see in the final push was humans, that was really disapointing.

I honestly think that this game has alot of untapped potental in it still and I know I would love to see the weak points in the story made stronger and clearer.

[comanche warior]

No I didnt feel like I took back Earth, there was one half mission followed by the huge turd that they called an ending.

[Kuari999]

I feel like the Catalyst said, "Oh you poor babies... ok, I'll give Earth back. On one condition. You have to choose one of these options:

Control: You sacrifice yourself and ascend to a higher state of existence, but you lose everything you stood for, but hey, you're a god now!

Synthesis: Die for the sins of organics and make everything cyborgs!

Destroy: Or sure, we'll let you destroy us... but you have to kill all synthetics and anyone who has to survive on implants... maybe... let me look out the window to see how much of a force you gathered, I might just kill everything instead... or maybe I'll spare the cyborgs. We'll see."

Yeah... fascinating.... how about you shove that tube over there up your *insert hour long rant filled with swearing here*

[magnutz06]

Allan Schumacher wrote....

I'm not proposing it as an either/or.  I'm just trying to make sense out of this idea of "Do you feel like you took back Earth?"

For example, you say that seeing the scenes of Drell, Krogan, etc. doing awesome things would help you feel like you are taking back Earth.  My question for you is: Would the feeling of taking back Earth felt significantly different if the kickass scenes you would have liked to have seen with the various races still existed but just with humans.

i.e. Is the lack of feeling of taking back Earth more due to a general lack of content (show the fight), or more due to the lack of seeing the combined forces.

To me it was a combo of both and more. The battle for Earth was missing the "battle" portion and it completely ignored most of the assets gathered throughout the series. If I have to choose one, than its the lack of seeing how different assets gathered effect the final battle.

Modifié par magnutz06, 17 avril 2012 - 05:59 .

[viperabyss]

I also didn't feel like I took back Earth. All I've seen is the sacrifice people from all over the galaxy made, but none of it really mattered. There was no boss fight, the "final hurdle", to give me a sense of accomplishment. And the fact that when the Catalyst revealed himself to be the creator of the Reapers, I was ready to take him on. Little did I know.

I think Bioware made the mistake of not communicating the intention clearly. I understand the entire ending sequence alright, but the implementation of the sequence was very poor. Bioware could've showed us the people we've left behind to make the victory possible. They could've showed a scene when Shepard was welcomed back on the Normandy as a hero, and he took a look at the plaque with the names of the perished heroes/heroines (I think that was the strongest reminder of those who died). They could've showed a scene where the crewmatess of the Normandy put Shepard's name on the plaque itself, in the case Shepard didn't make it. They could've showed a cutscene of the player's LI narrating how the galaxy worked together to restore order, or even include a scene unique to each LI wishing Shepard could see the fruit of his sacrifice.

Bioware could've done all that, and the fan outcry would've been much smaller. But nooo...they intended on focusing on "making the morally difficult decisions while not having enough information", which is essentially guessing.

[Sinilin_]

I wanted to save the whole universe not just Earth but I ended up destroying everything without being able to actually make my own choices. So no, there was no "taking back". :/

[Nobrandminda]

Allan Schumacher wrote...

I know there are some that found Priority: Earth to just kind of fall flat anyways. Trying your best, do people feel that they didn't take Earth back because of the bleakness of the ending and the sequence with the Catalyst, or because you were underwhelmed by the mission.

For me, it's pretty much entirely the Catalyst sequence.  For the purposes of this conversation, there are two problems with it.  The first problem is the impression I get that the catalyst let me win.  The second problem is the complete disconnect between your actions up to that point and the choice at the end.  Okay, so your EMS determines which choices you are presented with, but why? how?

As to the first point, it has been suggested that the catalyst is being forced to help you because of the Crucible.  This is a MASSIVE assumption and I simply don't buy it.  He clearly tries to disuade you from picking the Destruction option, even suggesting that it will kill Shepard with a Vulcan lie.  Since he is capable of doing that, it's completely illogical that he would present the option at all.  Between that, and the fact that he chooses a form that will make Shepard sympathetic to him, I get the uneasy feeling that no matter what choice I pick, it's the one he wanted me to pick and not the one that will actually accomplish my goals.

As to the second point, the theory is that the higher EMS allows the Crucible to be in better shape and therefore unlocks it's more complicated functions.  This concept is so abstract that it might as well not even be there, and it doesn't make any sense if you think about it at all.  All of your choices throughout the game boil down to that one number.  

So a ground heavy army is just as effective as a space worthy army.  

A well protected buy poorly constructed crucible is just as effective as a well constructed but poorly protected crucible.  

And lest we forget, even if you have a poorly constructed crucible and a weak army, you could still mount an effective assault on earth by having random groups of four people attack wave after wave of enemies in one of eight locations.

The concept is so abstract that it's completely unworthy of the Mass Effect series.  Mass Effect 2 had cyrstal clear cause and effect when it came to the ending.  Send the wrong person to do a job, and they'll get killed.  Fail to upgrade the Normandy's weapons, and you'll be unable to fight you way through the Collector ship and you'll get someone killed.  Fail to do a loyalty mission, and your team mates will under perform and possibly get themselves or others killed.

You can try to tell me that my choices have an impact on the outcome, but it sure doesn't feel like it.

Modifié par Nobrandminda, 17 avril 2012 - 06:06 .

[Zeroth Angel]

I hated taking back Earth.
What about Thessia,Tuchanka,Rannoch,Palaven? I really dislike how they retconned Shephard into a selfish ****. I mean seriously, why was there no option to let Earth burn while we get more forces to fight the reapers alltogether?

Modifié par Wimbini, 17 avril 2012 - 06:07 .

[Ytook]

Wimbini wrote...

I hated taking back Earth.
What about Thessia,Tuchanka,Rannoch,Palaven? I really dislike how they retconned Shephard into a selfish ****. I mean seriously, why was there no option to let Earth burn while we get more forces to fight the reapers alltogether?

Agreed, they could have kept exactly the same game structure but had Shepard building a general alliance to hit them where you could do most damage which could have been earth any way, if Udina had wanted to go to earth straight away at the exclusion of others that would make the coup make a lot more sense as well. 

[FinalEndeavor]

Nope!!! I didn't feel like I took Earth back with 7000+ EMS. I didn't feel like it was taking back right after the game supposably ends(I refuse to say that I indeed finished/beat the game), and still dont feel like it was taking back to this very day!!

I actually felt nothing after my red color explosion and seeing nothing I did matter. This makes things worse because I couldn't even get angry because of how ridiculous it ended.

[Agiyosi]

I didn't feel like I took back Earth at all.

The ME trilogy was a fairly epic journey, really. Saving various planetary species, travelling to the dark heart of the galaxy, and thwarting a galactic terror were all extremely grand strokes. We did not receive the finale to a sprawling epic all these missions and adventures implied. Sidestepping all of the plot contrivances and forced turns in ME3 (the Crucible, the Catalyst, etc.), I will just comment on the moments on returning to Earth at the end with the Crucible.

Here we are at the final phase of the story's arc. I expected a few more missions than were presented, but it was just the lack of breadth and fulfillment that pulled the rug out from under my feet. Even accepting the disjointed, metaphysical Catalyst scene does not appropriately augment the preluding Earth mission to the level of matching up with the rest of the trilogy. It is just rather empty. The character interaction is lacking. It is just a straight-forward firefight with Reaper lackeys, then the left field scene with the Catalyst that did not elicit denouement in any way (or at least in a satisfactory way to me personally) and left the whole ME experience kind of blue-balled.

I can take Shep dying. I had a feeling he was gonna take the plunge at the end. What is difficult is accepting the jolting and disjarring narrative mechanism of the Catalyst (as Starchild). If the Earth mission had been more expansive, more personal tones and moments delivered, and just a general heftier package presented at the end, I could perhaps process the Catalyst scenes with more acceptance (but probably not).

I don't mind the metaphysical sudden turn the Catalyst scene represented, as we are dealing with forces millennia beyond our current threshold of understanding and experience, but it was just done so clumsily. Hard to swallow.

[cardinalally]

NO! It was a victory (I guess) stopping the reapers and all but it felt hallow and unfulfilling. I felt like I just royally screwed earth and the galaxy.

[krayt298]

Manton-X2 wrote...

Actually, I was feeling pretty freakin' awesome heading into the final run at the magic beam of light. I saved four entire species (Quarians, Geth, Krogan and Rachni), I brokered peace and stopped a 300 year long war, I gave a species back its homeworld, I solidified Earth's place in the galactic hierarchy and showed an entire galaxy what humanity was worth, took down the biggest terrorist organization in history and I did all that while bringing together the largest military fleet in the history of the galaxy.

And then it all went to hell and in the space of 10 minutes I felt like I hadn't done a single thing. So much for that journey.

[Trell073]

It could be I chose the Control Ending in my very first playthrough, but I knew I took Earth back from the cutscenes and whatnot. My major issue was I didn't Take Earth Back the way I expected/would have wanted to. I expected a huge epic battle, or possibly some big epic struggle if not with Harbinger some kind of huge Reaper in the way. Then you get hit by the Reaper still up and movin.

I could deal with the Anderson and TIM situation pretty good, but all of a sudden the Star Child shows up. I was presented with pretty big options to end the war. I Took Earth Back not much doubt about that, but I wanted to take it in a much stronger way than I did.

[LucasShark]

Honestly? No:
- Earth is destroyed, in all practical terms
- as is the citadel
- all those people on the fleet will die
- And I've doomed the galaxy to centuries of stagnation and mass extinction due to crippling trade and travel

[Mystiq6]

 Yeah, I feel like I took Earth back... from a glow-in-the-dark Justin Bieber. 

But from a galactic threat? No.

(I will expand on this post later but I thought that comment was pure gold.)

[Iluvantir]

I died. Earth is either dead or will die shortly.

No. Take Earth back? Never happened. Screw Earth and the rest of the Milky Way over? Right on the button.

[Garlador]

Wowlock wrote...

I was sadly displayed I would say.

The main problem for me was that ''Why would we care about Earth now ? '' after 2 games. We fight for HUMANITY but when a GALACTIC threat shows up, then Shepard become a GALACTIC HERO with a Multi-species team. And sadly I never felt any real connection to Earth through past games. Hell I was even more connected to Horizon. The feel I got from the past 2 games, Earth was filled with self-serving people who care nothing else about the rest of the Galaxy and you fight for them while they sit on their hands , only plotting to get more corrupt. Why would I save these people ? I had no reason other than Anderson and Hackett asked me to.

Your companions and NPC friends made it meaningful but it never felt that I was doing this to ''save this beautiful planet '' .... Hell I would prefer to save Citadel and EVERYONE on it in case of sacrificing Earth.... that is how much the meaningfulness of those places compare to me.

As for the Battle itself , it didn't had the feeling that you would expect from an Epic ending....not like DA:O where you actually have this great battle in Denerim with those who you united ACTUALLY SHOW UP and fight alongside you !

But compared to the ''artful ending'' I can't really say much. I let my feeling known many times about the ending so I won't rant about it again but case and point - When EVERYTHING ELSE we care about go up in flames along with your companions, Mass Relays and Shepard....well you tend to not care about Earth where you are introduced in first 5-10 mins , barely see anything and still filled with self-serving cowards who are ruled by their political ambitions and fears instead of facing the truth. So no, I didn't felt like I took back Earth at all.... in fact I didn't felt like I took back ANYTHING.

All the ending did is dooming the galactic armada and Earth even AFTER the war...They are trapped and bound to suffer and Earth is pretty much ruined with not enough resource for the WHOLE Armada ( not including those species who CANNOT eat Earth food )

There you go, Earth... It is like a Distant 5th cousin you barely care about....suddenly shows up at your door and ask for help.....

Agreed. My Shepard wasn't even born on Earth. He was a Spacer. Why wyould he care about earth, a place that, as far as I know of, he never even visited until ME3? It'd be like if they had a game dedicated to "take back Dallas!" but why should we care if we've never been there?

Shepard was a galactic hero; humanity was no more special than turians, quarians, asari... we were just different races and cultures. My Shepard was dating an alien. It was like the Civil Rights movement in space against a backdrop of extinction and war.

And yet, in ME3, it was for some reason all about Earth.

I didn't like Earth. I DON'T like Earth. Earth is boring. Give me an awesome alien planet, but I've lived my entire real life on Earth. It's nothing special.

And then, well, I agree; we didn't really take it back. Earth is screwed. We did nothing to prevent that. In fact, we may have just helped it along by blowing up the mass relays and stranding billions of alien species over a destroyed and desolate earth.

[Pee Jae]

Not really. I mean, I shot a bunch of reaper forces, took down a destroyer and beamed up (Scotty), but take back? No.

I sort of reclaimed Tuchanka.

I did take back Rannoch, though. But, I guess that slogan would just have confused non fans. "Take Rannoch Back!"

[Halo Quea]

I think I reclaimed a few back alleys in London..............but not much else. Lmao!!

[desertwoman]

No. I felt...incomplete...like something was missing.