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[RogueWolfie]

fixit6 wrote...

Zenning wrote...
The video with me and Stardusk disagree's.  I had no problem hittin' em, and he's on the other side of the world from me.

What video...? No links anywhere.

Anyrate, if its on a console it won't impress me. X-box ME3 is way easier than PC I found.

What exactly is different between the PC and console versions? Besides the crappy framrate of the PS3 version

[Sabresandiego]

I disagree, I flat out prefer the GPS in every way. That being said, I prefer non charge weapons most of the time.

Modifié par Sabresandiego, 19 avril 2012 - 04:00 .

[HydraNiel]

Stardusk wrote...

I am kind of getting tired of answering this question, which has been posed to me for each video I make, as to why I choose the Graal over the GPS. It has been asked 1000x and I answered it in one of my audio commentaries. This is going to be the official thread to answer this question permanently.

Everyone loves the GPS and many people don't like the Graal but the reason why this is so is rather transparent. The GPS is, quite frankly, a beginner's weapon, easy to use, easy to handle and thus its wide spread appeal is explained. The Graal on the other hand, is hard to use, hard to handle and has a much steeper learning curve and it does not 'just work' like the autoaiming GPS does, foregone conclusion of many, the Graal is crap. To this I answer, bull****. That does not mean the GPS is crap either imo, but it noticeably requires less skill. But in its overall utility, in the hands of a skilled player the Graal is devasting and is better than the GPS for combat heavy classes. But I repeat, people do not like the Graal BECAUSE they cannot use it properly. Everyone I know who can use it will confirm alongside myself, that it is easily the king of shotguns and possibly all guns in overall utility and power.

Both the GPS reliably stagger (the Graal more so though) so that is one common point; they both can be charged, so another but that is where the similiarities end.

The Graal allows for consistent long ranged headshots (the deadliest of almost any weapon, because it ignores shield gate). On my Batarian Soldier I can one headshot any Cerberus type charged up from range except a phantom, with a Shotgun rail amp of at least one I can oneshot anything and this can be done from across the map. A charged Graal shot uses only one shot, the GPS uses two, so you effectively have the same number of charged shots. The Graal is effective at point blank, short range, long range and medium range and all of those ranges are good for headshots. The GPS stops being useful after medium range and OSOK headshots are very difficult to achieve. The Graal also seems to be somewhat more consistent in the stagger effect than the GPS, another added bonus. You have in total more charged up shots with the Graal than with the GPS, another added bonus. Finally, if you get semi-consistent headshots your DPS will be higher with the Graal than the GPS.

So, in conclusion, the GPS is 'nice' but a beginner's weapon, which why people like it, being easy to use. The Graal is an advanced player's weapon, but with practice anyone can become better with it and then become deadly. It really is the all in one gun/shotgun with almost no weaknesses if used properly. Watch my videos along with the one with Zenning and tell me you think the Graal sucks and stop asking me why I use it instead of the GPS!

Your Return to Tuchanka video, featuring your Kroguard and the Graal made me completely rebuild my Kroguard. I used to be half melee/ half shields, running with a Disciple.

I decided to go full Barriers and try the Graal. I had trouble with it at first, because yes, it's got a steep learning curve. Threw myself in some Bronze matches alone so I could learn how to do it. Kept on rising till I finished some Silver solos, then went ahead on Gold, died on wave 9 though.

Anywaysss, to all of you saying the GPS is better and the Graal sucks, well, the Graal is the deadliest shotgun in the game in the hands of a skilled player. If it sucks on your hand, then you're not that skilled.

That being said, after learning more about the Graal and getting it higher, that shotgun is just my baby. Every game I get over 20 headshots, and I can do those from across the map.

Learn to use it, learn to kill.

Modifié par Dezu, 19 avril 2012 - 04:00 .

[KainD]

Sabresandiego wrote...

I disagree, I flat out prefer the GPS in every way. That being said, I prefer non charge weapons most of the time.

I prefer non-charge weapons an every class except the infiltrator. On the infiltrator I use ONLY charge weapons, too much win. 

[Xyrm]

Sabresandiego wrote...

I disagree, I flat out prefer the GPS in every way. That being said, I prefer non charge weapons most of the time.

What do you use then?  I have a hard time picking a weapon I like for my Vanguard.  I have a GPS, Graal, and Claymore all at X, but each weapon has some problem with it that I don't like.  I can't score headshots with the GPS; the Graal's projectiles are very lag-sensitive and therefore hard to lead with unless you host; the Claymore is too heavy to use (even with a rank 3 power cooldown mod, you still only reach 110% cooldown bonus, which means there is a small amount of time where you can take damage doing the nova-nova-charge rotation).

In the end, I typically just end up using the GPS.

[Blissey1]

Xyrm wrote...

Sabresandiego wrote...

I disagree, I flat out prefer the GPS in every way. That being said, I prefer non charge weapons most of the time.

What do you use then?  I have a hard time picking a weapon I like for my Vanguard.  I have a GPS, Graal, and Claymore all at X, but each weapon has some problem with it that I don't like.  I can't score headshots with the GPS; the Graal's projectiles are very lag-sensitive and therefore hard to lead with unless you host; the Claymore is too heavy to use (even with a rank 3 power cooldown mod, you still only reach 110% cooldown bonus, which means there is a small amount of time where you can take damage doing the nova-nova-charge rotation).

In the end, I typically just end up using the GPS.

I think most of us are talking about infiltrators or soldier/sentinels, not vanguards. classes that don't care too much about cooldown times.

[mybudgee]

I cannot get with the Graal...I dont know what it is. I played a silver match last night where a guy was playing my protector as a Kroguard with the spike thrower. I was a justicar, and he made it rain spikes anytime I was hacking or lining up a shot. It was amazing! Thanks where ever you are Krogan Bodyguard!
:happy:

Modifié par mybudgee, 25 avril 2012 - 04:24 .

[InfamousResult]

Graal isn't "subjectively" better than GPS- it is better than GPS in fact.

What is actually "subjectively better" are the players. If you can lead and aim, you use the Graal. If you can't, you use the GPS. Either way, a good marksman will prove the Graal over the GPS every time.

[CELL55]

Use the Graal because 'Graal' is a much more fun word to say!

[Cette]

To be fair as much as I love the Graal it did take an embarrassingly long time to get good with it. At least 3 or 4 matches of barely hitting anything.

Eventually the old Unreal Tournament flack cannon skills popped back in and now it's head shot city.

[OGWS]

Okay

[Techo Angel]

Only on my Geth do I use the GPS, The Graal is to nice and powerful to not use, with a Smart choke on it you can head shot stuff half a map away sometimes with good aim and leading the target. Add in an Ammo Mod or if you need to REALLY deal Damage a max out Damage mod as well and watch the bodies and your score build up

[Sousabird]

Flamko wrote...

Agreed. Graal, along with the Claymore, is the most effective shotgun in the game. Guaranteed stun and deadly accuracy. It is awesome in hands of batarians, it can one-shot almost anything. GPS, with it's lack of proper headshots and aiming help in the distance is a beginner weapon.

One thing nice about the gps though is it's faster, has a bigger clip and it's lighter then the claymore at least (don't remember graal's weight)

[Ryan_H]

I carefully aimed the charged up Graal at the puny Cannibals head from 10-12m and pulled the trigger.
Nothing happened.
No exploding head. Nothing.
I looked at the Cannibal and he looked at me and then I ran.

I haven't used the Graal since despite it being at lvl X and my GPS being at lvl III. I actually had this happen several times that game. It might have been a latency issue but whatever it was the Graal dealt no damage (even to body shots from short to medium distances). or damage so puny it didn't register on the life bar.

Missing a headshot with any gun from across the map happens to me more often than I care to admit but I rarely miss headshots at the above mentioned range with my trusty carnifex.

EDIT:
I'm not good enough to solo SIlver or attempt to solo Gold as Dezu does:

Dezu wrote...
I decided to go full Barriers and try the Graal.
I had trouble with it at first, because yes, it's got a steep learning
curve. Threw myself in some Bronze matches alone so I could learn how to
do it. Kept on rising till I finished some Silver solos, then went
ahead on Gold, died on wave 9 though.

Modifié par Ryan_H, 29 avril 2012 - 08:48 .