KainD wrote...
James D Sidious wrote...
once you get used to it, the claymore is a headshot machine. and if you spec for faster reload with the geth infiltrator you can easily dominate on Gold.
sneaking up on phantoms and headshotting them is quite fun
Still inferior to GPS.
Modifié par James D Sidious, 17 avril 2012 - 08:09 .
Zenning wrote...
I did read that, and nobodies saying people who don't use the Graal is a noob. It's just that in top of the line performance, the Graal out performs it. Period. Reliability is nice, but with "Super Pros" the Graal will always outpreform the GPS.
Once again, No, you're not a noob for using the GPS, and if you prefer it still, thats fine. But objectivly, if two players are able to use the GPS and Graal to Maximum effectivness, the Graal will win.
Modifié par bucyrus5000, 17 avril 2012 - 08:13 .
Elijini wrote...
Zenning wrote...
I did read that, and nobodies saying people who don't use the Graal is a noob. It's just that in top of the line performance, the Graal out performs it. Period. Reliability is nice, but with "Super Pros" the Graal will always outpreform the GPS.
Once again, No, you're not a noob for using the GPS, and if you prefer it still, thats fine. But objectivly, if two players are able to use the GPS and Graal to Maximum effectivness, the Graal will win.
Yes but....thats my point. In this sense, the weapons are rated by their use by the community as a whole. And there are more average/good players than people who can use each weapon to its maximum effectiveness. Im not questioning that in the right hands the Graal is better, Im saying that overall the usability of the GPS makes it better due to being a much more accessable weapon. People who can use all weapons to maximum effectiveness are the outliers, not the baseline...=/
Zenning wrote...
Now.. I know you're kidding but the two weapons are for completely different play styles, and situations. The Claymore is for up close and personal use, and it's for massive damage. In terms of damage, the Claymore with AP seems to outdamage every other weapon in the game vs bosses (Even Snipers it seems.)
bucyrus5000 wrote...
If given a choice I prefer the Graal, but on my Geth infiltrator the GPS just makes sense. Something that I notice about the GPS is how few head shots I can make if any; the shots follow the target, but to the body. I use the graal on my batarian soldier and a few other characters, but I really wish it was light enough to put on my vanguard like I do in SP.
Zenning wrote...
bucyrus5000 wrote...
If given a choice I prefer the Graal, but on my Geth infiltrator the GPS just makes sense. Something that I notice about the GPS is how few head shots I can make if any; the shots follow the target, but to the body. I use the graal on my batarian soldier and a few other characters, but I really wish it was light enough to put on my vanguard like I do in SP.
It can't do headshot damage at all. It has no headshot damage modifer to it.
KainD wrote...
Zenning wrote...
Now.. I know you're kidding but the two weapons are for completely different play styles, and situations. The Claymore is for up close and personal use, and it's for massive damage. In terms of damage, the Claymore with AP seems to outdamage every other weapon in the game vs bosses (Even Snipers it seems.)
But I tried both. Completely identical playstyle, only GPS kills everyone faster, has more raw DPS + doesn't need shredder mod because ignores armor damage reduction, ignores shield gate, doesn't turn off my cloak with a pre-charged shot, can kill enemies from far away, even though I use it at point blank 90% of the time, can be fired on the run, can be charged on the run, easier to aim, geth hunter bonus damage, Just so many things about GPS is better.
Zenning wrote...
So, I get what you're saying. But, the reason the TC posted this was because people kept asking him why he used such a crappy weapon.
I think he got frustrated, (And I do too because I've heard that a lot too), and made this.
Oh right, and people who like the GPS are also bad people.
Just Sayian.
KainD wrote...
Zenning wrote...
bucyrus5000 wrote...
If given a choice I prefer the Graal, but on my Geth infiltrator the GPS just makes sense. Something that I notice about the GPS is how few head shots I can make if any; the shots follow the target, but to the body. I use the graal on my batarian soldier and a few other characters, but I really wish it was light enough to put on my vanguard like I do in SP.
It can't do headshot damage at all. It has no headshot damage modifer to it.
And it has such a huge damage output that it doesn't matter.
Zenning wrote...
Headshots my dear boy. Headshots. Not to mention, the Claymore does double damage to Atlas's and Banshee's for some reason. If you're using the GPS the same way you use the Claymore, that's probably why you thought it sucked.
Err, let me just specify, I'm not saying you suck..
Also, It's funny, you know the most powerful sniper in the game without cloak is? A Turian Solider with a Claymore and accuracy. he can get all bullets to land on the head from across the map on Dagger. It's stupidly difficult, but it can be done.
Just sayian.
KainD wrote...
Zenning wrote...
Headshots my dear boy. Headshots. Not to mention, the Claymore does double damage to Atlas's and Banshee's for some reason. If you're using the GPS the same way you use the Claymore, that's probably why you thought it sucked.
Err, let me just specify, I'm not saying you suck..
Also, It's funny, you know the most powerful sniper in the game without cloak is? A Turian Solider with a Claymore and accuracy. he can get all bullets to land on the head from across the map on Dagger. It's stupidly difficult, but it can be done.
Just sayian.
But I don't need headshots when I one-shot people with body shots do I? I mean what for, for overkill? I tried Claymore on large targets - Proximity mine + Clamore shot to the head left 2 boxes on the brute, but Proximity mine + charged shot from a GPS followed by 2 more cloaked shots ( which the first one has absolutely zero delay, i will add ) kills the brute, and I have one more shot at my disposal, or that shot REALLY finishes the brute, if I missed a little or hit the plates.
Zenning wrote...
Err, Centurians won't get killed in one shot with the GPS, while the Claymore will. It will also insta kill Phantom's on gold if you can get the headshot (This is a big if, I gotta say), something the GPS can't do.
Once again, both weapons are perfectly viable, it's just that they require completely different playstyles. Personally, I think Shotgun infiltrators are better with the GPS than the Claymore, because in their case they do do enough damage to not really have to worry about headshots. But, for Krogan, and other Shotgun CQC users, the Claymore tends to be better
KainD wrote...
But I don't need headshots when I one-shot people with body shots do I? I mean what for, for overkill? I tried Claymore on large targets - Proximity mine + Clamore shot to the head left 2 boxes on the brute, but Proximity mine + charged shot from a GPS followed by 2 more cloaked shots ( which the first one has absolutely zero delay, i will add ) kills the brute, and I have one more shot at my disposal, or that shot REALLY finishes the brute, if I missed a little or hit the plates.
KainD wrote...
Zenning wrote...
Err, Centurians won't get killed in one shot with the GPS, while the Claymore will. It will also insta kill Phantom's on gold if you can get the headshot (This is a big if, I gotta say), something the GPS can't do.
Once again, both weapons are perfectly viable, it's just that they require completely different playstyles. Personally, I think Shotgun infiltrators are better with the GPS than the Claymore, because in their case they do do enough damage to not really have to worry about headshots. But, for Krogan, and other Shotgun CQC users, the Claymore tends to be better
But I DO insta-kill centurions and phantoms with one cloaked completely charged shot. And the next 3 non-charged shots kill another phantom.
I mean:
I did this solo in 37 minutes. Call me a noob, tell me I don't know how to use a Claymore properly, but I can't do this fast run with anything other than the GPS, and believe me I tried. I really oblitirate enemies with GPS, there are no enemies in the game that I don't feel effective against.
tvih wrote...
The Graal certainly isn't a bad weapon. But even leaving aside that you need to host for it to work, it's not only needing skill that is the problem with it.
For one, charging it up takes quite long, and especially on a Krogan the only cue you have for it is the sound, since you block the entire weapon from view. But that's not so bad.
What's worse is leading the shots. Which where the skill comes in, but also where another "problem" comes in - the enemies and their movement. Because as if through magic, it seems that at least half the time that I take the appropriate lead, and fire of a shot, the bugger stops, changes direction, is staggered by someone else. Wasted shot! With a hitscan weapon, it'd hit before that happens. This severely compromises the potential long-range ability.
Personally that is the reason why I don't carry Graal much. For my Krogans that carry two heavy weapons, it's usually been Claymore + Saber lately, though my Soldier's been trying out the GPS again lately. With the Saber I can hit as far as I can see, and no problems with bullet travel time while still having good headshot damage.
I have been meaning to use the Graal more though, but never seem to get around to it.
Zenning wrote...
Infiltrator. I thought I specified for an Infiltrator it is a better gun. Maybe not on Atlas's, but it does enough damage with cloak to kill everything that isn't a Boss enemy.
zhk3r wrote...
Yeah .. The Claymore does the most amount of damage in a cloaked shot. It takes 2 shots to kill a Brute, with the first shot being cloaked. You should try the Claymore again, dude.
yarpenthemad21 wrote...
i dont like gps. first i prefer claymore infiltrators because of this charging mechanic. with claymore i can get cover and shoot with 100% potencial, with gps i have to run like an idiot and charge this weapon.
KainD wrote...
Ah, and this person is talking cloacked shots, so an infiltrator. So here's the thing, while you will be reloading for a second shot the rest of the GPS clip will kill the brute.
zhk3r wrote...
KainD wrote...
Ah, and this person is talking cloacked shots, so an infiltrator. So here's the thing, while you will be reloading for a second shot the rest of the GPS clip will kill the brute.
Urgh .. Your opinion on a gun isn't the general consensus. The Geth Plasma Shotgun is probably one of the best guns in the game. But they Claymore is nothing short of amazing. I wonder why people think that their personal opinion is fact. I take down a Brute in about the same time with both guns. Infiltrator or not.
zhk3r wrote...
KainD wrote...
Ah, and this person is talking cloacked shots, so an infiltrator. So here's the thing, while you will be reloading for a second shot the rest of the GPS clip will kill the brute.
Urgh .. Your opinion on a gun isn't the general consensus. The Geth Plasma Shotgun is probably one of the best guns in the game. But they Claymore is nothing short of amazing. I wonder why people think that their personal opinion is fact. I take down a Brute in about the same time with both guns. Infiltrator or not.
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