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[xXxBONESxXx]

Frankly, I find the OP's argument to be total crap. If you believe the logic he is using, then you should be using the Kishock Harpoon Gun since it can do all the things he states only better than either shotguns described...but it's difficulty level makes it much harder to get effective results.

To be fair, however, since his post is a response to those debating why he uses the Graal over the GPS in his videos...the simple answer is, because he can do so more effectively than with the GPS. Or, quite bluntly, because he can.

Modifié par xXxBONESxXx, 17 avril 2012 - 08:54 .

[Zenning]

Actually Bones, the Graal is better for our use, simply because it insta staggers up to 3 people per clip, rather than one, and it actually has a slightly lower DPS than the Graal. Still, the Stagger is what really makes it more effective for us.

[xXxBONESxXx]

I'm not debating which is better for you...I'm deflating the "elitist" aspect some have disdain for when it comes to using something that is better...but only if it can be used effectively. The key of course, is which is more effective for which player.

Soon, someone will solo Gold with a Kishock on a Batarian Soldier in less time than with a Graal...it is inevitable among those who seek to "out do" each other.

[Quxorda]

peddroelmz wrote...

Stardusk wrote...

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The Graal allows for consistent long ranged headshots (the deadliest of almost any weapon, because it ignores shield gate).
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I know GPS & Kishok ignore shield gate because I have tested them specifically for this ...

I did not test to see if Graal ignores shield gate (I think it doesn't - normal shotguns do not ignore shield gate) - but as with the other shotguns at most only 1 projectile (from 6 in graal's case) gets wasted on the shield gate ... However 5 projectiles (spikes?) to the head from a charged shot are often enough to 1 shot kill even protected enemies on gold ....

All shotguns but the Crusader fire multiple projectiles, thus all shotguns ignore shield gating.

[Zenning]

Quxorda wrote...

peddroelmz wrote...

Stardusk wrote...

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The Graal allows for consistent long ranged headshots (the deadliest of almost any weapon, because it ignores shield gate).
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I know GPS & Kishok ignore shield gate because I have tested them specifically for this ...

I did not test to see if Graal ignores shield gate (I think it doesn't - normal shotguns do not ignore shield gate) - but as with the other shotguns at most only 1 projectile (from 6 in graal's case) gets wasted on the shield gate ... However 5 projectiles (spikes?) to the head from a charged shot are often enough to 1 shot kill even protected enemies on gold ....

All shotguns but the Crusader fire multiple projectiles, thus all shotguns ignore shield gating.

Actually..  Err, that's not what he meant.  So, you know how the shotgun shoots pellets and what not.  Well, one of those pellets cannot take off the shield, and do damage to health, meaning you'll be doing less than you're fully capable of to many enemies (You'll probably still kill em though, and it affects shotguns less but it does effect shotguns).  The GPS however, only shoots 3 projectiles, but each of the projectiles will always do their max damage, regardless of if one would spill over into shields or not.

Modifié par Zenning, 17 avril 2012 - 09:24 .

[dyrebar-]

My GPS is X, my Grall is not. Nuff said

Modifié par dyrebar-, 17 avril 2012 - 09:26 .

[vladgd]

would a graal vi be preferred over a gps x?

it's what i currently have to work with.

[Zenning]

dyrebar- wrote...

My GPS is X, my Grall is not. Nuff said

Staggers my dearboy. Staggers.  GPS doesn't do consistant staggers, especially on Phantom's.  

ESPECIALLY ON PHANTOMS!


For destroying the tougher enemies, I'd reccomend the Graal 1 over the GPS X.  But, You will be doing less damage per shot, and probably less damage in the long run.  But, Phantom's will become easier to take care of.

Modifié par Zenning, 17 avril 2012 - 09:28 .

[dyrebar-]

Zenning wrote...

dyrebar- wrote...

My GPS is X, my Grall is not. Nuff said

Staggers my dearboy. Staggers.  GPS doesn't do consistant staggers, especially on Phantom's.  

ESPECIALLY ON PHANTOMS!


For destroying the tougher enemies, I'd reccomend the Graal 1 over the GPS X.  But, You will be doing less damage per shot, and probably less damage in the long run.  But, Phantom's will become easier to take care of.

I'm not doing solo runs, so i can live with my GPS X not staggering once in a blue moon. Graal will be X eventually.

[Blissey1]

Zenning wrote...

James D Sidious wrote...

I use the Claymore

To be honest..  I kinda suck with the Claymore.  I'm just no good at taking one shot and backing up.  Even with the Exploding blades, I just need to shoot one more time to Stagger that goddamn Phantom before I feel it's safe to punch em.

punch them? you don't need to punch them, you're using a claymore.

[Zenning]

Blissey1 wrote...

Zenning wrote...

James D Sidious wrote...

I use the Claymore

To be honest..  I kinda suck with the Claymore.  I'm just no good at taking one shot and backing up.  Even with the Exploding blades, I just need to shoot one more time to Stagger that goddamn Phantom before I feel it's safe to punch em.

punch them? you don't need to punch them, you're using a claymore.

That is true..  They destroy phantom's.  But I still suck with it, and with the Claymore, the Batarian kinda can't do anything at medium range to Phantom's, or many other enemies..

Modifié par Zenning, 17 avril 2012 - 09:39 .

[Bioticgodx]

Still perfer the GPS over the Graal due to its ability to spray and pray. I am not skillful enough to get those clutch headshots when my team is being overwhelmed.

[Zenning]

Bioticgodx wrote...

Still perfer the GPS over the Graal due to its ability to spray and pray. I am not skillful enough to get those clutch headshots when my team is being overwhelmed.

Practice makes perfect. 

[Abael]

Zenning wrote...

Err..  The GPS can't headshot.  Period.  Like check out the weapon thread, it has no head shot damage modifer.  He probably misspoke.

And yes, GPS really is a beginner weapon.  A headshot with it Will do a massive amount of damage, and it has a higher DPS than the GPS does (According to the weapon topic again).

The weapon topic.

http://social.biowar...ndex/10712294/1

I'm not refuting the actual data, i'm refuting the logic behind those statements.

[Zenning]

Abael wrote...

Zenning wrote...

Err..  The GPS can't headshot.  Period.  Like check out the weapon thread, it has no head shot damage modifer.  He probably misspoke.

And yes, GPS really is a beginner weapon.  A headshot with it Will do a massive amount of damage, and it has a higher DPS than the GPS does (According to the weapon topic again).

The weapon topic.

http://social.biowar...ndex/10712294/1

I'm not refuting the actual data, i'm refuting the logic behind those statements.

Yeah, I err... Really gotta start editing my posts more...

But that's for an other time.

Err..  What kind of logic are ya talkin' about?  

[Silent Fear]

Stardusk wrote...

Stuff

While i would agree that GPS is easy to use i wouldn't say that the Graal is rocket science. The thing is just like vanguard the graal is trash when you dont host. While GPS also suffer - it's not as much.

 And let's not forget that in the hands of Geth Engi the GPS is overall much more effective whit it's higher dmg and higher ROF.

 And just a heads up i find that the GPS can be just as deadly on all ranges except on few maps where there is actually long enough range from point to point where you cant get target outlines.

[BoogieManFL]

Projectile based weapons, like the Graal, are less favored because despite broadband connections the game can't properly make them function reliably unless you're the host when using them. That's the main reason.

[KainD]

Zenning wrote...

Staggers my dearboy. Staggers.  GPS doesn't do consistant staggers, especially on Phantom's.  

I know right? Damn phantoms just won't stagger, but die instead. I cry everytime. 

[Core_Commander]

I like the graal, but sadly it's absolutely crippled by lag if not hosting, which GPS handles just fine.

Thus, when I feel like just jumping into quickplay, it's GPS time.

[Atheosis]

They are roughly equal in my eyes. I prefer the Graal, but ultimately I realize that's more my preference and play style than any kind of actual superiority.

I do agree with the OP though, that the GPS is the easier gun to just pick up and use. The Graal takes some time to get used to.

Modifié par Atheosis, 17 avril 2012 - 11:39 .

[Atheosis]

Core_Commander wrote...

I like the graal, but sadly it's absolutely crippled by lag if not hosting, which GPS handles just fine.

Thus, when I feel like just jumping into quickplay, it's GPS time.

Personally I have no issues with this, and I very rarely host.

[Zenning]

BoogieManFL wrote...

Projectile based weapons, like the Graal, are less favored because despite broadband connections the game can't properly make them function reliably unless you're the host when using them. That's the main reason.

Function reliably?  Once again.  The two man video I linked to earlier.  It show's me and Stardusk use the Graal.  Me and him were on literally the oppisite sides of the planet, and we had a very comparable score (I even out scored him slightly).  We both used Graals.

With enough skill, the latency issue becomes non-existant.  Unlike many projectiles, the Graal does not have the misfire issue that the Kishock, Falcon, and Striker have.

[Dunmer of Redoran]

I prefer the GPS to the Graal, and I run gold exclusively and am almost always the top scorer by a wide margin, so I'm not bringing in a noob opinion to this thread before you decide to slap elitism on what I say.

I think that both are excellent guns, but writing the GPS off as a "beginner" weapon is a slap in the face to people like me who do use it well. I see plenty of beginners use the GPS, and they get trapped into the "Always charge before firing" mentality. The Graal is a good weapon for that since it uses 1 round per clip regardless, but the GPS uses 2 for charged shots and 1 for a regular shot. There are definitely occasions where a charged shot is a superior idea, but the flexibility of the GPS to lay down consistent fire without a need for reloading quite as frequently should not be taken lightly.

Also, about the stagger, I disagree. I never have had issues with the stagger (including Phantoms) unless I fire in rapid succession. You just have to know how to time it so that the stagger animation is completed, and it works reliably.

[KainD]

Zenning wrote...

Function reliably?  Once again.  The two man video I linked to earlier.  It show's me and Stardusk use the Graal.  Me and him were on literally the oppisite sides of the planet, and we had a very comparable score (I even out scored him slightly).  We both used Graals.

With enough skill, the latency issue becomes non-existant.  Unlike many projectiles, the Graal does not have the misfire issue that the Kishock, Falcon, and Striker have.

Watched that video btw. You did pretty good with Graal, but boy does Batarian suck, that's my opinion of course. I liked the falcon punches though. 

But here's a thing on a little earlier topic - I don't know how it works for you, and I don't know why, but when I shoot phantoms with my GPS the stagger rate is 100%. Seriously. 

[DayusMakhina]

Atheosis wrote...

Core_Commander wrote...

I like the graal, but sadly it's absolutely crippled by lag if not hosting, which GPS handles just fine.

Thus, when I feel like just jumping into quickplay, it's GPS time.

Personally I have no issues with this, and I very rarely host.

I guess it depends on where you are and the times you play though. For me the Graal is near enough useless in a fair few rooms.

I have no qualms with leading targets (most shooters require you to do so after all) but when you factor in latency and the like it just takes it out of the equation off of host on occasion. Well, unless you're using it solely at closer range like I do with my Krogan Vanguard. Sure sometimes it does work off host, but I generally don't fancy the case of playing the lottery to discern whether my gun will do anything every single game.