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[humes spork]

Core_Commander wrote...

Some time ago a BW employee mentioned that only Banshee has a truly random grab attack. I guess brute's "requirements" to perform it are hard to fulfill in a game, since usually things in its melee range are either dead or moving away.

I've seen it happen maybe twice so far, and I must say it's always hilarious.

I've only seen it happen once in play. Never happened to me.

I think what has to happen is the brute has to charge, with you as its intended target. Assuming you sidestep or do anything to avoid the charge really, and it didn't actually stagger you out of its own grab arc and range, then it works. You pretty much have to be AFK or asleep at the wheel for it to actually work, at which point the brute is actually doing the team a favor because nobody can try to revive the player dumb enough to have been grabbed by a brute of all things, and get themselves offed in the process.

It's pretty much ME3's answer to getting hit by Dan's hyper combo in SF.

Modifié par humes spork, 17 avril 2012 - 02:40 .

[tonnactus]

Zenning wrote...

tonnactus wrote...

The shredder mod didnt work when installed on the gps. So it sucks against guardians.

This is true.  Of course, it doesn't work for the Graal either.  But, the Graal can shoot through the mail slot.

Why? Is this some kind of bug or intended? Its dumb. So i have to use the disciple against cerberus(not good at headshots anyway)

[SovereignGFC]

The target leading is annoying as ****.  However, I intend to improve my skill with this weapon.  I did not realize it was this useful!

[Cette]

It's probably worth noting for purposes of how it feels to use these guns that the Graal is all like" tink tink tink tink THUNK splat" where as the GPS is all "vrrrrRRMMM PEW."

So stick that statistic in your pipe and smoke it.

[Xyrm]

tonnactus wrote...

Zenning wrote...

tonnactus wrote...

The shredder mod didnt work when installed on the gps. So it sucks against guardians.

This is true.  Of course, it doesn't work for the Graal either.  But, the Graal can shoot through the mail slot.

Why? Is this some kind of bug or intended? Its dumb. So i have to use the disciple against cerberus(not good at headshots anyway)

It *IS* intended.  A bioware dev posted a while back that "projectile" weapons such as the GPS or Graal (as in those that DON'T use hitscan) don't get the cover-penetrating bonus of the armor penetration mod, but they DO get the reduction in damage ignore from it.  Whether it was intended because of balance or technical limitations... that's another matter.

Modifié par Xyrm, 17 avril 2012 - 02:56 .

[marshalleck]

Stardusk wrote...

KainD wrote...

I consider Graal to be completely on par with GPS. I actually started my infiltrator with Graal when I discovered how awesome chargeable weapons are on them, but then switched to GPS only because of one little thing - extra shot, which is imo VERY helpful. Today the second reason is that my Geth infiltrator has 10% bonus damage with GPS over Graal. Now here's the thing - if Graal had 4 shots in one clip instead of 3, I would switch to it with other infiltrator classes except the geth one.

I actually find the Graal awful on the Geth Infiltrator and much prefer the Claymore.

Wouldn't want to be seen using a "newbie weapon" even if that means bonus damage for being a geth using geth weapons, yeah?

[jotun04]

I love my Graal.

[Core_Commander]

tonnactus wrote...

Zenning wrote...

tonnactus wrote...

The shredder mod didnt work when installed on the gps. So it sucks against guardians.

This is true.  Of course, it doesn't work for the Graal either.  But, the Graal can shoot through the mail slot.

Why? Is this some kind of bug or intended? Its dumb. So i have to use the disciple against cerberus(not good at headshots anyway)

Or you could just stagger with anything, then shoot them.

[Darklink2009]

I know I'm probably the only person out there who is like this, but I have a GPS, and I suck with it. I use my N7 shotgun far more effectively because I'm good at pounding out headshots, and as a krogan, I don't have to waste a mod on the armor penetration because it already has it. So I can put my level 5 melee bonus damage knife on there as well.

WRRRAAAAAHHH HAHAHA indeed.

[Bad Alchemy]

Core_Commander wrote...

Noelemahc wrote...

Only bad Human Vanguards get grabbed by Brutes. Brutes do a melee attack before they attempt to grab. When you Charge one, move away from the Brute during your following Nova so that you are just outside their range but they are still in your Nova range.

Brutes have a grab attack? Honestly? I have killed my fair share of Brutes with melee, both in SP and MP, and am yet to see how that one works. What am I doing wrong?
(that said, I only use Asari Vanguard, and go melee only as Infiltrators and Soldiers)

Some time ago a BW employee mentioned that only Banshee has a truly random grab attack. I guess brute's "requirements" to perform it are hard to fulfill in a game, since usually things in its melee range are either dead or moving away.

I've seen it happen maybe twice so far, and I must say it's always hilarious.

Suprised the heck out of me to see a Krogan get meat slammed.

[Methanoid666]

squidney2k1 wrote...

Graal is great if you can land headshot after headshot.


But other than that, the GPS is just easier to use and more versatile. Not saying that the Graal is bad at all---I actually prefer the Graal in most cases---but just that the GPS is probably a "better overall weapon," with a grain of salt.

for me the GPS is easier to operate, can be charged up and fired and quickly after releasing can be rapidly refired, weighs less, and if i wanna headshot stuff id bring a sniper rifle.

which btw happens to be my krogan sentinals loadout, BW and GPS.

Modifié par Methanoid666, 17 avril 2012 - 04:30 .

[Skullheart]

I'll keep the GPS. It can kill enemies with full shields on gold with a charged shoot, while the grall can only take out the shield (it happens with sniper rifles too, even if the target has 1/10 of shields it would only take out the shields with no dealing any damage to the health).

[Babydel]

Wow... this is A LOT of posts for a 10hr old thread... I am not trawling through all of that. :/

I loved the Graal in SP and I use it when attempting solo MP stuff, but when playing with others I never use it because of the hit detection issues.  Unfortunately I am a crap host thanks to my area having a very limited broadband speed and even when playing with a friends with better connections I still have a lot of trouble with it (shot a trooper in the head and 2 seconds later it decided I killed him, this has never happened with GPS or Claymore), so I'll take GPS or Claymore over it.

I will have to wait till they install Fiber Optics in my area, which I don't see happening anytime soon.

Modifié par Babydel, 17 avril 2012 - 04:34 .

[ThatDancingTurian]

Don't know what you're talking about GPS not being useful past medium range, it works fine for me at long range. Maybe you just don't know how to use it, OP.

[RamsenC]

The GPS is superior on classes that don't want to spend any time aiming. Human Vanguard, Drell Adept, and Drell Vanguard all need to stay mobile so GPS is better.

For any other class Graal is better. On Infiltrator it's all about the Claymore

[Zenning]

LemonStimpacks wrote...

Zenning wrote...
Actually, Batarian's move faster than Humans.  I believe they are the same speed as Drell.

Just tested because I didn't believe this.
I couldn't notice a speed difference between humans and batarians and they surely don't have drell speed.

Please don't post misinformation OT, it makes it hard for people to notice and prove wrong for info's sake °.°'

ACtually. They do move faster.  Why don't you actually compare the speed with an other player.  No seriously, try it.  They are in fact faster.  I've tested it with other players myself.

And also, err, you realize that the GPS doesn't do headshot damage or go through shields right?

RIGHT?!

[Zenning]

Drummernate wrote...

The Graal is nowhere close to the stagger of the GPS....
The GPS has a 98% chance of staggering targets no matter what. Even on Gold, you just can't stagger them while they are already staggered, duh.
Graal only staggers if more than 2 spikes hit and if it hits the upper portion of the target.
(Above the waist usually)

The Claymore is actually the king of shotguns and always will be, it can oneshot every single unit other than mega units, no matter what. Primes take 3-4 shots, and Banshees take like 9.

The range on the Claymore is about 250% longer than people think, you can consistently get headshots at ranges up to 120-150 feet.

Graal is nearly impossible to use without being host seeing as the already 1-2 second fly time is increased to about 3-5 seconds.

Err...Where exactly did you get that Stagger number for the GPS?  Maybe I suck with it, but Phantom's do not always stagger when I shoot em.  And, the Graal fires six spikes, having two hit is stupidly easy, especially with the Smart choke.   I've never actually not staggered an enemy with it.

And can people stop saying that lag kills it.  It really doesn't.  It does require more leading, but it is not 1 second to 3 or 5 seconds it's.  .05 seconds to .1 all that way t .3 seconds.  If it's lagging badly enough for an actual 1 second lag time, the entire game, no matter which weapon you use, will be unplayable.

[peddroelm]

Zenning wrote...

And also, err, you realize that the GPS doesn't do headshot damage or go through shields right?

RIGHT?!

GPS ignores shield gating mechanic  just like the kishok harpoon ...

[Zenning]

peddroelmz wrote...

Zenning wrote...

And also, err, you realize that the GPS doesn't do headshot damage or go through shields right?

RIGHT?!

GPS ignores shield gating mechanic  just like the kishok harpoon ...

Yes, I understand that.  I err.. I meant the Large metal shields they hold..

[Stardusk]

Back to the original point; the Graal is good and in future videos, stop asking me why I use the Graal over the GPS. Thank you.

[Arppis]

GPS has always been the ultimate shotgun. It dominates!

[Stardusk]

Arppis wrote...

GPS has always been the ultimate shotgungun. It dominates!

Fixed.

[Incendax]

It would be inaccurate to say that the GPS is only better in the hands of an unskilled player.
It would be more accurate to say that the Graal is better than the GPS in the hands of a highly skilled player.

[humes spork]

I gotta say, I'm a graal fan. You just can't put a price on setting off cryo explosions from clear across the map on FB hydra with a cryo blast and graal headshot.

[frozngecko]

I love the Graal, just for the look and damage factors alone with my Krogan.