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[Mixxer5]

Uhm... Are they widely used? So why on earth in final battle they're using mostly rockets?? I haven't seen there even one shoot from Thanix cannon...

[BattleVisor]

omg i am going to post all the pictures of clear thanix cannons, to shut everyone up

[The Angry One]

Le sigh.

Thanix cannons have the APPEARANCE of a beam and not a projectile.

www.youtube.com/watch

[Ingvarr Stormbird]

BattleVisor wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

BattleVisor wrote...

I dont know what people are harping about with not seeing Thanix cannons in actions, because I definitely saw many many blue projectiles fly into the reapers..

There's your first mistake. Thanix cannons fire beams, not projectiles.

'''Contrary to popular belief, Sovereign's main gun was not a directed energy weapon. Rather, its massive element zero core powered an electromagnetic field suspending a liquid iron-uranium-tungsten alloy that shaped into armor-piercing projectiles when fired ''


http://masseffect.wi...y_Codex_Entries 

the beam is just a trace, like on a tracer bullet.


And not all of them would have traces like that on the Normandy, different factors would factor into the trace.

You have seen this video of Normandy's Thanix cannon firing in ME2, did you? Looked pretty much like a (slow) beam to me.
I think main point is that none of ME3 battle cinematics showed that. Reapers still fire their (beam-like) weapons, while allied fleet just fires usual Mass Accelerator slugs or torpedoes.

[Quietness]

Thanix looks like a beam to me...

[marshkoala]

@The Angry One......you go girl!

@Quietness I'd love to see Morrigan kick the star child's butt!

Oh and I think I need more...........thanix cannons lol

[Quietness]

marshkoala wrote...

@The Angry One......you go girl!

@Quietness I'd love to see Morrigan kick the star child's butt!

Oh and I think I need more...........thanix cannons lol

You mean the GodChild, no we have to boot her in the head for creating that thing

[Orthodox Infidel]

The Angry One wrote...

Orthodox Infidel wrote...

There's only 80 of those dreadnaughts, tops. I'm pretty sure there are at least a few hundred or thousand Sovereign class Reapers. And you need 4 of those dreadnaughts to take down one of those Sovereign class Reapers.

You need 4 dreadnaughts with common heavy mass accelerators.
Mix in some cruisers with thanix cannons and you'll need less.

Also, you need 4 dreadnaughts to take a Sovereign down before it can turn.

The before it can turn stipulation makes that problem harder, not easier.

The Codex also tells us that this is a poor tactic against Reapers who fly in formation.

In smaller battles, sure. In fleet battles, you have some fleet elements keep them busy while others can jump behind them.

And... the fleet elements will keep the busy how? By dying, right? How many combat capable ships do you think are available to be sacrificed like that?

No, we shouldn't, and they shouldn't. Even if we ignore the fact that such operations would only work in special circumstances, the should absolutely not lead to victory. If they could lead to victory, there would be absolutely nothing for Shepard to do. Shepard is the hero of this story, not Captain Nameless and the crew of the SSV Cannonfodder.

Who's the one running around gaining those war assets? Finding those extra dreadnaughts and cruisers? Getting the galactic governments to cooperate? Leading the charge?
Oh right, Shepard.

Ok, so let's test to see if you really think this is really enough for Shepard to do.

You know how Shepard says "Fire!" right at the start of the space battle, and then we have a cinematic of all the space ships shooting? How about right after that, one of the Reaper beams (or, five, if you think one isn't enough) just cuts straight through the Normandy and destroys it instantly. There's nothing left of the Normandy or anyone who was on board. You get to see the space battle play out though, complete with Thanix Cannons, Rachni Warships (if you saved the Rachni) and all of these tactics you think are totally missing. The outcome is dependent on EMS, and assuming you don't lose the battle, you get a speech from Hackett at the end saying you were a hero who united the galaxy together.

Would you find this less satisfying than the current ending, more satisfying (if so, by how much) or just as satisfying (which, I know in your case is "not satisfying at all")?

[humes spork]

Orthodox Infidel wrote...

You know how Shepard says "Fire!" right at the start of the space battle, and then we have a cinematic of all the space ships shooting? How about right after that, one of the Reaper beams (or, five, if you think one isn't enough) just cuts straight through the Normandy and destroys it instantly. There's nothing left of the Normandy or anyone who was on board. You get to see the space battle play out though, complete with Thanix Cannons, Rachni Warships (if you saved the Rachni) and all of these tactics you think are totally missing. The outcome is dependent on EMS, and assuming you don't lose the battle, you get a speech from Hackett at the end saying you were a hero who united the galaxy together.

That would have been kind of a cool twist, actually. I would have gritted my teeth at the idea of the Normandy getting blown up again, but dem's the breaks.

Though personally I wouldn't have minded the final battle playing out as an eleventh-hour genre shift to RTS, or the strategies in the final battle being decided by dialog choices backed by Hammer landing on Earth to start liberating Reaper concentration camps or somesuch just to provide Shepard and the player a more direct, tactile ending to the game.

Or hell, if the Normandy ended up disabled during the battle and had to make an emergency landing on Earth, and the final battle being a massive "hold the line" sequence with your entire crew until a detached fleet element could provide heavy support and rescue...

Modifié par humes spork, 17 avril 2012 - 05:14 .

[Ingvarr Stormbird]

humes spork wrote...
Though personally I wouldn't have minded the final battle playing out as an eleventh-hour genre shift to RTS, or the strategies in the final battle being decided by dialog choices backed by Hammer landing on Earth to start liberating Reaper concentration camps or somesuch just to provide Shepard and the player a more direct, tactile ending to the game.

Yep, kind of like it was shown in the trailer...
www.youtube.com/watch

[v TricKy v]

Ingvarr Stormbird wrote...

Yep, kind of like it was shown in the trailer...
www.youtube.com/watch

*sigh*
If only it would have looked like that in-game

[BattleVisor]

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Modifié par BattleVisor, 17 avril 2012 - 05:25 .

[Ingvarr Stormbird]

BattleVisor wrote...

http://imageshack.us...ixcannons1.jpg/  
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I see nothing like this youtu.be/AWAtKnegAyM

Modifié par Ingvarr Stormbird, 17 avril 2012 - 05:26 .

[BattleVisor]

90-95% of the firing is from THANIX cannons, theyre BLUE!!!!

[Jamanticarius]

tvman099 wrote...

But what about thanix missiles?

I never understood the whole Thanix missiles thing.  How do they even work?  I can understand the Thanix cannon accelerating a stream of molten metal to relativistic speeds, but a missile?  Why?

Looks like the ones used against that destroyer were about as fast as modern rockets, which would make them essentially giant whiffle balls against a Reaper... now that I think of it, how would they damage a Reaper?  If those missiles had their payload in the form of a mini-cannon at the tip, they'd have to have an Eezo core as big as a cruiser's to provide enough juice to accelerate the molten metal in the tip to good damaging speeds....  Would they just ooze their little under-accelerated molten metal onto the Reaper and hope it did something, like give it a rash?

Wait, do Thanix missiles work precisely because they're slow?  Since they're all sluggish, do they get to bypass a Reaper's kinetic barriers completely and then fire their little gun?  Waaaiiiittttt, do Reaper kinetic barriers even behave that way, only stopping stuff coming at them at relativistic speeds?  

Or is the "Thanix" in "Thanix missile" completely irrelevant and simply added in to say, "Oooo, it can hurt Reapers, guys!"....?

So confused!

Back on-topic, yeah, I agree with you, OP.  

[Ingvarr Stormbird]

BattleVisor wrote...

90-95% of the firing is from THANIX cannons, theyre BLUE!!!!

Colour maybe similar, but everything else looks different.

[CrutchCricket]

Orthodox Infidel wrote...
Ok, so let's test to see if you really think this is really enough for Shepard to do.

You know how Shepard says "Fire!" right at the start of the space battle, and then we have a cinematic of all the space ships shooting? How about right after that, one of the Reaper beams (or, five, if you think one isn't enough) just cuts straight through the Normandy and destroys it instantly. There's nothing left of the Normandy or anyone who was on board. You get to see the space battle play out though, complete with Thanix Cannons, Rachni Warships (if you saved the Rachni) and all of these tactics you think are totally missing. The outcome is dependent on EMS, and assuming you don't lose the battle, you get a speech from Hackett at the end saying you were a hero who united the galaxy together.

Would you find this less satisfying than the current ending, more satisfying (if so, by how much) or just as satisfying (which, I know in your case is "not satisfying at all")?

This would be acceptable. Not my preference. But it would fit. It would make sense. And it would have that "somebody must die" type of realism some people are on about.

Yes, this would be miles above what we have.

[GLR-0053]

Magic>Science

Sorry Salarians

[BattleVisor]

People are confusing the traces, the trace means nothing, bullets of different velocities, of different fire rates and of different size, will have different lengths of traces.

[humes spork]

Ingvarr Stormbird wrote...

Yep, kind of like it was shown in the trailer...
www.youtube.com/watch

Yeah. Hell, with ingenuity you could have had the final battle actually be against Harbinger. No, not Harbinger assuming direct control over something, I mean the actual Reaper.

Harbinger lands to "deal with the situation personally", and to buy time for heavy Alliance support to arrive Shepard runs alone into an area densely-packed with cover right underneath it (because let's face it, against something like Harbinger right under it's probably going to be the safest place) and starts taunting it. Harbinger starts stomping and Reaper beaming entire buildings and city blocks, and the gameplay element is running and hiding while fighting husks and cannibals. The game cuts to dialog scenes after Shepard finds some new cover, where Shepard keeps taunting and provoking Harbinger through persuasion options and interrupts; but, unlike other dialog in the game it's not based upon renegade/paragon/reputation score but rather the player gets five or six dialog wheel choices, and depending on choice Harbinger keeps after Shepard (making the next gameplay sequence much tougher to complete with a lower time limit or Harbinger destroys a larger section of terrain), murders civilians or even kills a squadmate.

If Shepard dies during this sequence, no critical mission failure screen. Harbinger turns on the squad, Normandy crew, and civilians and murders until (EMS-dictated resolution) occurs. If not, Shepard keeps distracting Harbinger until the heavy support shows up and blows Harbinger away since it's landed on-world and its kinetic barriers are down.

Modifié par humes spork, 17 avril 2012 - 05:36 .

[BattleVisor]

The Angry One wrote...

Le sigh.

Thanix cannons have the APPEARANCE of a beam and not a projectile.

www.youtube.com/watch

Arent you the same person who argued that modern day women (in the real world) are capable of becoming combatitive marines.

sigh. Pointless to argue with people who know nothing about military (edit: yes this is a petty jab)

Modifié par BattleVisor, 17 avril 2012 - 05:37 .

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Thanix cannons -- they didn't make them big enough. Nukes would have been more effective.

Modifié par sH0tgUn jUliA, 17 avril 2012 - 05:37 .

[v TricKy v]

BattleVisor wrote...

90-95% of the firing is from THANIX cannons, theyre BLUE!!!!

those are not thanix cannons
have a look at ME1
http://www.youtube.c...wtY6ROo#t=3m55s 

[stormhit]

Thanix cannons are as much of a contrived plot device as the crucible, and were only conceived to make the ship upgrade system in ME2 have a payoff.

An unbeatable super weapon on every ship was kind of a bad idea.

[Ingvarr Stormbird]

BattleVisor wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Le sigh.

Thanix cannons have the APPEARANCE of a beam and not a projectile.

www.youtube.com/watch

Arent you the same person who argued that modern day women (in the real world) are capable of becoming combatitive marines.

... now, this was odd argument