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[Aramintai]

When I saw Liara on Mars with her mask on during the chase I immediately remembered Total Recall and loled. BioWare totally forgot about atmospheric pressure..since ME2 I guess.

[matthewmi]

Han Shot First wrote...

The weird thing is that the human characters all have helmets but Liara doesn't.

My guess is that since Asari heads are shaped differently, Bioware didn't want to bother creating a unique helmet for Liara and just slapped on the breathing mask.

They had helms for Liara in ME 1 but you're probably correct.

[Nerevar-as]

BW thinks being able to see the characters acting is more important than being realistic. However I can´t remember any significant scene that happened with the breathers on, or why they didn´t use helmets with trasparent faceplates as in so many movies. SW physics is not the way to go when you try to makes things a bit more serious (although there´s some EU handwave about a field ships generate a short area around so that vacuum doesn´t kill evac crew).

[wolfstanus]

Aramintai wrote...

When I saw Liara on Mars with her mask on during the chase I immediately remembered Total Recall and loled. BioWare totally forgot about atmospheric pressure..since ME2 I guess.

And yet turians are running around on a moon without sealed suits. 

[Aramintai]

wolfstanus wrote...

Aramintai wrote...

When I saw Liara on Mars with her mask on during the chase I immediately remembered Total Recall and loled. BioWare totally forgot about atmospheric pressure..since ME2 I guess.

And yet turians are running around on a moon without sealed suits. 

Read the codex about Menae - they have underground facilities that create artificial atmosphere zones on that moon. Which is not the case with Mars.

Modifié par Aramintai, 17 avril 2012 - 12:00 .

[Irx]

G3rman wrote...

Its sci-fi, get over it.

Don't confuse SCIENCE fiction with space fantasy.

[wolfstanus]

Aramintai wrote...

wolfstanus wrote...

Aramintai wrote...

When I saw Liara on Mars with her mask on during the chase I immediately remembered Total Recall and loled. BioWare totally forgot about atmospheric pressure..since ME2 I guess.

And yet turians are running around on a moon without sealed suits. 

Read the codex about Menae - they have underground facilities that create artificial atmosphere zones on that moon. Which is not the case with Mars.

And who says the mars colony does not have a simpler version of that? Not being in the flawed codex is not a reason to say it does not have it.

[L. Han]

They can come up with an excuse for Liara's mask. "biotics" "asari" blah blah so on.

But they really can't explain Ashley's breather.

[Aramintai]

wolfstanus wrote...

Aramintai wrote...

wolfstanus wrote...

Aramintai wrote...

When I saw Liara on Mars with her mask on during the chase I immediately remembered Total Recall and loled. BioWare totally forgot about atmospheric pressure..since ME2 I guess.

And yet turians are running around on a moon without sealed suits. 

Read the codex about Menae - they have underground facilities that create artificial atmosphere zones on that moon. Which is not the case with Mars.

And who says the mars colony does not have a simpler version of that? Not being in the flawed codex is not a reason to say it does not have it.

Simpler version with atmospheric pressure, but no oxygen? What's the point in that? The way I see it, if there was atmosphere on Mars then there would be no point for Shep and human Co to always put on helmets when they go outside on that planet. It's obvious that helmets replaced by breather masks in life hazardous environments is just another thing sacrificed in the name of "artistic integrity". I really miss ME1 approach on that aspect.

Modifié par Aramintai, 17 avril 2012 - 12:34 .

[MEsuperfan]

I say biotics.

Have you noticed that all the characters who have breathers are biotics?

[Aramintai]

MEsuperfan wrote...

I say biotics.

Have you noticed that all the characters who have breathers are biotics?

What about Ashley, Kasumi, Mordin etc.?

[wolfstanus]

that phrase is used to much anymore... Actually it's thrown around like it's a phad in a argument.  It would be cheaper than military grade stuff the turians are using. And allows for pressure to be survivable in case of a accident. If you really can't think of why there could be a cheap version of somthing then there's a problem with you. Turians don't think about budget when it comes to bases. But humans have a budget for everything.

Modifié par wolfstanus, 17 avril 2012 - 12:43 .

[Praetor Knight]

I could easily have lived with something like this for everyone, without a proper helmet:





And I still wonder why not have a large glass plate helmet like these? If faces needed to be exposed?



Example of Starbuck, BSG

Example from Star Trek

[RebelTitan428]

G3rman wrote...

Its sci-fi, get over it.

go play a racing game

[DaJe]

[quote]G3rman wrote...

Its sci-fi, get over it.
[/quote

God dammit. 
I hate this argument so freakin much.

There is a difference between Flash Gordon and BSG and there is a difference between Star Wars and Mass Effect. Ok? Not everything is acceptable, especially when contradicting universe internal logic.

Modifié par DaJe, 17 avril 2012 - 01:16 .

[Anthadlas]

The breathers i don't mind, But I always found it funny that u could wear an open faced mask on the Quarian flotilla, They sterilise you when you come aboard and then you can spend the rest of your visit sweating and dropping hair everywhere. That would be great for the quarian immune systems.

[Shepardtheshepard]

It's not just a case of simply being a vacuum or not

Think of it this way. Ever stood next to a large smoky campfire with your eyes wide open? Hurts then becomes unbearable doesn't it?
Or walked around a perfectly breathable desert on a very windy day without goggles?

That's the main problem with the breathers. There's more to fear from the air than simply suffocating.
People will now try to claim that Asari might have some kind of super eye protection. However there are problems with this. Humans (who don't) have been seen with them too and more importantly, we have heard nothing from this from any offical source. Unless it says somewhere that's how it is, then it can't be how it is. Otherwise we could claim that Liara should cut off her head, which now can fly & scout ahead (pun not intended) for Shepard & pals.

[nycmode75]

Liara's eyes are still beautiful even in the coldness of space

[Nashiktal]

nycmode75 wrote...

Liara's eyes are still beautiful even in the coldness of space

And they will remain beautiful even as the nastiness of all the non-livable areas ravage her eyes. 

To be honest I have trouble taking anything serious about the game when I bring along a squaddie who doesn't wear a proper helmet in such cases. The fact we are forced to use liara (which she has all sorts of issues herself that people don't like) just means I have trouble getting into the story. 

It hurts my immersion, and in hindsight I probably should have took that as a warning about what was coming in the future. 

[Sdrol117]

Nashiktal wrote...

nycmode75 wrote...

Liara's eyes are still beautiful even in the coldness of space

And they will remain beautiful even as the nastiness of all the non-livable areas ravage her eyes. 

To be honest I have trouble taking anything serious about the game when I bring along a squaddie who doesn't wear a proper helmet in such cases. The fact we are forced to use liara (which she has all sorts of issues herself that people don't like) just means I have trouble getting into the story. 

It hurts my immersion, and in hindsight I probably should have took that as a warning about what was coming in the future. 

Some people make attempts to rationalize this in their heads, but the truth of the matter is, after ME1 they stopped trying to be "realistic". Honestly, this frustrates me to no end when I see it. Joker's "helmet" was awesome, but most of them...no. Artistic integrity right? I would've prefered "acting" inside the helmets, relying on voices, it would've been ever MORE believable, than seeing this weird glass bubbles on people's mouths. 

[The Razman]

carrmatt91 wrote...

it does seem a bit weird but then i just think they probably have a mass effect field to keep the air in, but then again why would they need a mask?

Keep out space dust.

[Nezzer]

The Geth Dreadnaught is pure vacuum. It's funny that if you equip James with that eye piece of his, he won't wear any mask. I think the same happens to Ashley if she's wearing that Kai Leng eye piece.

[RyuujinZERO]

G3rman wrote...

Its sci-fi, get over it.

Science fiction is called science fiction because it is a scientific exercise. "Suppose X is true... what is the natural extrapolation of this?". As opposed to raw fantasy, which simply seeks to tell a dramatic story, throwing in magic to arbitrarily change the rules where appropriate to sustaining or resolving the drama.

"Space magic" is no better than "A wizard did it". And the writers at Bioware seemed to think the science fiction approach to the game was important seeing how they named the entire series after the singular break from reality in their thought experiment: "The mass effect"

Praetor Shepard wrote...

I could easily have lived with something like this for everyone, without a proper helmet:

<snip>

Planetes had a good solution too. Their spacesuits were armoured (To protect against collisions with jagged debris, not bullets ), including a full plated helmet visor with an internal HUD, but for the sake of dialogue scenes the armoured faceplate could be retracted to give a view of the character's face



Of course, planetes was everything mass effect isn't - an absolutely rock solid hard-science fiction story. No space magic to be seen here...

Modifié par RyuujinZERO, 17 avril 2012 - 09:32 .

[Cadence of the Planes]

G3rman wrote...

Its sci-fi, get over it.

[ENorman94]

Meh, never bothered me, never will. Just my 2 cents