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[KingZayd]

jijeebo wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

jijeebo wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

jijeebo wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

thinicer wrote...

I don't know which is worse to be honest with you: the actual endings we got, or the idea that all of it was some indoctrinated hallucination. The actual endings were examples of lazy writing and game development, and the IT assumes the developers were trying to trick us and be clever.

So how is the IT any better? It still results in a highly unsatisfying ending to a memorable story. The only reason the IT gained traction was because desperate fanboys, upset over the endings, tried desperately make sense out of them by looking for things that aren't actually there and evident. The IT presumes that, eventually, Bioware will release new and totally different endings to the game. There are going to be a lot of disappointed people.

It's not going to happen, and Bioware has already come out and said that the endings are going to stand. Time to let it go.

Again, nice eveidence you have presented.

They have evidence... The part where Bioware said the endings weren't changing from what they are.

Why do people not understand that for IT to work, BW can't change the ending...They just have to add more on to it.

Making all but the *perfect* ending more or less a CRITICAL FAILURE is most definately changing the ending.

Why don't people understand that?

You don't see a dead body in all the other endings, so not necessarily a critical failure. And it's not a change if that's what they were planning from the beginning. Why don't people understand that?

They NEVER planned it from the start, they've specifically said that the "content initiatives" regarding the ending are in addition to their planned content.

And you're an indoctrinated mess on the floor in a ruined earth, with no option but either being a traitor or shooting yourself in the face... Seems on a par with romancing Morinth tbh.

EDIT: Why don't people understand that?

They thought they had more time. They've had to shift priorities to get this sorted by SUmmer. Considering what you've been through that's not surprising.  and yeah i would like control to be a critical mission failure.. it feels just as stupid as deciding to have sex with Morinth.

And i thought Saren's sacrifice was a really bold thing to do, it served as a redemption of sorts. I would like for indoctrination Shepards to be given the option to paragon interrupt suicide personally. A test to see if you can match Saren's sacrifice for the good of the galaxy. They did say they were going for bittersweet

[balance5050]

jijeebo wrote...


Well, there are endings where Shepare IS alive.

And I don't remember how the Matrix went, but i'm pretty sure the "brave new world" is referring to the loss of the relays as well as the random ass planet the Normandy crashes on.

lolwut. Both The matrix and brave new world revolve around controlling people through technology.

[jijeebo]

balance5050 wrote...

jijeebo wrote...


Well, there are endings where Shepare IS alive.

And I don't remember how the Matrix went, but i'm pretty sure the "brave new world" is referring to the loss of the relays as well as the random ass planet the Normandy crashes on.

lolwut. Both The matrix and brave new world revolve around controlling people through technology.

LMAO is the brave new world like another movie or something?

I genuinely thought it was simply referring to the galaxy post-ending, as in "The technological dark age has created a brave new world."

#fail

[thinicer]

KingZayd wrote...

thinicer wrote...

I would like for some IT zealot to please explain to me how the existing endings can still stand, just expanded upon, with IT in place. IT relies totally on the premise that the final 10 minutes of the game are in Shepard's head. Everything that happens, from TIM shooting Andersen, from conversation with the Catalyst, and the three color choices, are nothing but hallucinations and that Shepard is not on the Citadel at all, but really back on Earth.

How can the gamer honestly have the same color endings (only expanded) if this is the case? IT absolutely, 100% relies on totally different endings and choices for Shepard. If Shepard is still on Earth, then the color choices are completely thrown out meaning the war with the Reapers is still on and the gamer needs new choices to finish the game.

Logic seems to be eluding a lot of people here.....

they stand as what you chose in your vision. they're not real, which is why EDI is still alive for example (this bioware have confirmed) and why you can meet up with your squadmates again (again confirmed) but they're still part of the game as what you chose affects your mental state when you wake up. The true ending will come afterwards along with an epilogue.

Now I would like an anti-IT zealot to please explain to me  how the existing endings can still stand, without IT in place, considering:

Why does the Catalyst (of whom the Citadel is part of) need a reaper that it controls to stay behind and tell  it when the Harvest is ready [the organic races are on the Citadel (part of the Catalyst)], so that it can send a signal to the Keepers so that they can open the Citadel relay (part of the Catalyst)? How do the Protheans get sneak onto the Citadel (part of the Catalyst) and change it without alerting the Catalyst? When the Citadel receives Sovereign's signal, and the keepers aren't activated, why doesn't it let Sovereign know what's going on? Why does Sovereign have to spend thousands of years figuring out by himself, and eventually using Saren to discover the truth. Why does the Citadel (part of the catalyst) have a master control console that organics can use? Why hasn't the Catalyst made the other reapers it controls who can enter the Milky Way using FTL drives, do so in all that time?

You presume that I am a fan of the original endings. I'm not. They are terrible. But IT is just as bad, probably a worse idea, and the only reason it surfaced and has such popularity is purely because of disappointment over the endings from the fans. IT means completely new endings, period, which is what IT believers want deep down. I attribute the original ending to poor, lazy writing which is far more likely than some fan-created theory about indoctrination.

Why would Bioware put their good-will with their fans and future business at such great risk with such a terrible ending if IT was intended from the very beginning? Do they honestly think that being clever like this they are going to win fans over and impress them? If the ending cannot stand on its own original merits, if Bioware intended to fool us from the beginning, as IT implies, and can only then be explained AND revealed in future DLC, then that's just lame and every gamer should ridicule Bioware for it.

It would be like going to see a movie, getting a really bad ending, and having the TRUE ending appear in some director's cut on DVD months later.

Modifié par thinicer, 17 avril 2012 - 04:50 .

[balance5050]

jijeebo wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

jijeebo wrote...


Well, there are endings where Shepare IS alive.

And I don't remember how the Matrix went, but i'm pretty sure the "brave new world" is referring to the loss of the relays as well as the random ass planet the Normandy crashes on.

lolwut. Both The matrix and brave new world revolve around controlling people through technology.

LMAO is the brave new world like another movie or something?

I genuinely thought it was simply referring to the galaxy post-ending, as in "The technological dark age has created a brave new world."

#fail

Brave New World is a book.

[KingZayd]

thinicer wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

thinicer wrote...

IT can also makes the presumption that there is only ONE, TRUE choice at the end of the game, which is Destroy. Am I wrong on this? The presumption is that with Control and Synthesis, Shepard is indoctrinated and does what the Reapers want, whereas with Destroy he breaks free of indoctrination, so gamers are limited to only one choice if they truly want to win the game and end the threat of the Reapers once and for all. How is this any better? Very restrictive.

Also, if Synthesis and Control are the indoctrinated choices, then how come they are only obtained if your EMS is high enough? So more EMS means more indoctrination?

If all three color endings are truly hallucinations, then that means we still haven't gotten the TRUE endings, meaning that the IT needs completely different endings that fall outside of the three color choices. Bioware they have already come out and said that the existing endings will stand and they are proud of them and that they will just be expanded upon so that more of your war assets will show, more closure for your squadmates, epilogues, with some other questions answered.

It's pretty cut and dry that IT is dead.

Indoctrinated individuals have broken indoctrination in the game plenty of times.. temporarily. Demonstrated by the deaths of Saren (if he kills himself), Liara's mum, and visionTIM (whether it's you breaking indoc to shoot him, or him to suicide) IT doesn't require the retconning of any of the choices, so they'd still stand, and there'd be consequences for those choices.

It's pretty cut and dry, that without IT or retconning, the ending is doomed to fail.

You're overthinking things. If the ending is truly this complicated, then Bioware needs to be further ridiculed. There are gamers that haven't played the first two games and ME3 is their first experience with the series. If Bioware is going to intentionally dupe and fool their audience with something as lame as the IT, then that makes the endings even worse I think.

The ending isn't that complicated. Yes if you try to follow all the threads it's pretty complicated, but it's possible and that's just good story telling. Wait, so you're saying that the ending to a trilogy can't use information presented in the earlier? that's stupid. Why read the lord of the rings trilogy? Just read Return of the King. Why read the Harry Potter series? Just read The Deathly Hallows. Why watch Star wars episdoes 1-6, just watch episodes 4-6... (oh wait )

there are plenty of codex entries in the game for newcomers to read. Just because they make the game playable for newcomers, doesn't mean they mean to make the first 2 games completely redundant. Naturally playing the earlier games would give you a better understanding of what's going on. That's unavoidable (unless the plots are completely detached, or the originals suck.. which in the case of mass effect is clearly not true).

[jijeebo]

KingZayd wrote...

jijeebo wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

jijeebo wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

jijeebo wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

thinicer wrote...

I don't know which is worse to be honest with you: the actual endings we got, or the idea that all of it was some indoctrinated hallucination. The actual endings were examples of lazy writing and game development, and the IT assumes the developers were trying to trick us and be clever.

So how is the IT any better? It still results in a highly unsatisfying ending to a memorable story. The only reason the IT gained traction was because desperate fanboys, upset over the endings, tried desperately make sense out of them by looking for things that aren't actually there and evident. The IT presumes that, eventually, Bioware will release new and totally different endings to the game. There are going to be a lot of disappointed people.

It's not going to happen, and Bioware has already come out and said that the endings are going to stand. Time to let it go.

Again, nice eveidence you have presented.

They have evidence... The part where Bioware said the endings weren't changing from what they are.

Why do people not understand that for IT to work, BW can't change the ending...They just have to add more on to it.

Making all but the *perfect* ending more or less a CRITICAL FAILURE is most definately changing the ending.

Why don't people understand that?

You don't see a dead body in all the other endings, so not necessarily a critical failure. And it's not a change if that's what they were planning from the beginning. Why don't people understand that?

They NEVER planned it from the start, they've specifically said that the "content initiatives" regarding the ending are in addition to their planned content.

And you're an indoctrinated mess on the floor in a ruined earth, with no option but either being a traitor or shooting yourself in the face... Seems on a par with romancing Morinth tbh.

EDIT: Why don't people understand that?

They thought they had more time. They've had to shift priorities to get this sorted by SUmmer. Considering what you've been through that's not surprising.  and yeah i would like control to be a critical mission failure.. it feels just as stupid as deciding to have sex with Morinth.

But... I chose control. D=

And i thought Saren's sacrifice was a really bold thing to do, it served as a redemption of sorts. I would like for indoctrination Shepards to be given the option to paragon interrupt suicide personally. A test to see if you can match Saren's sacrifice for the good of the galaxy. They did say they were going for bittersweet

Only one problem there, that would be a new ending... And they've said we aren't getting any of those.

[tute]

Theory:
1. group of propositions used as principles to explain a class of phenomena
2. proposed explanation
quoted from dictionary.com

So is it a theory or a hypothesis? Hypothesis is an idea that you want to test to see if it's true or not

[jijeebo]

balance5050 wrote...

jijeebo wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

jijeebo wrote...


Well, there are endings where Shepare IS alive.

And I don't remember how the Matrix went, but i'm pretty sure the "brave new world" is referring to the loss of the relays as well as the random ass planet the Normandy crashes on.

lolwut. Both The matrix and brave new world revolve around controlling people through technology.

LMAO is the brave new world like another movie or something?

I genuinely thought it was simply referring to the galaxy post-ending, as in "The technological dark age has created a brave new world."

#fail

Brave New World is a book.

LOL... My bad.

[balance5050]

thinicer wrote...


You presume that I am a fan of the original endings. I'm not. They are terrible. But IT is just as bad, probably a worse idea, and the only reason it surfaced and has such popularity is purely because of disappointment over the endings from the fans. IT means completely new endings, period, which is what IT believers want deep down. I attribute the original ending to poor, lazy writing which is far more likely than some fan-created theory about indoctrination.

Why would Bioware put their good-will with their fans and future business at such great risk with such a terrible ending if IT was intended from the very beginning? Do they honestly think that being clever like this they are going to win fans over and impress them? If the ending cannot stand on its own original merits, if Bioware intended to fool us from the beginning, as IT implies, and can only then be explained AND revealed in future DLC, then that's just lame and every gamer should ridicule Bioware for it.

It would be like going to see a movie, getting a really bad ending, and having the TRUE ending appear in some director's cut on DVD months later.

Bioware thought people would like the metagame of finding out the truth. Thousands of people prefer IT so its more than "probably a worse idea" as you so elegently put it.

[KingZayd]

thinicer wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

thinicer wrote...

I would like for some IT zealot to please explain to me how the existing endings can still stand, just expanded upon, with IT in place. IT relies totally on the premise that the final 10 minutes of the game are in Shepard's head. Everything that happens, from TIM shooting Andersen, from conversation with the Catalyst, and the three color choices, are nothing but hallucinations and that Shepard is not on the Citadel at all, but really back on Earth.

How can the gamer honestly have the same color endings (only expanded) if this is the case? IT absolutely, 100% relies on totally different endings and choices for Shepard. If Shepard is still on Earth, then the color choices are completely thrown out meaning the war with the Reapers is still on and the gamer needs new choices to finish the game.

Logic seems to be eluding a lot of people here.....

they stand as what you chose in your vision. they're not real, which is why EDI is still alive for example (this bioware have confirmed) and why you can meet up with your squadmates again (again confirmed) but they're still part of the game as what you chose affects your mental state when you wake up. The true ending will come afterwards along with an epilogue.

Now I would like an anti-IT zealot to please explain to me  how the existing endings can still stand, without IT in place, considering:

Why does the Catalyst (of whom the Citadel is part of) need a reaper that it controls to stay behind and tell  it when the Harvest is ready [the organic races are on the Citadel (part of the Catalyst)], so that it can send a signal to the Keepers so that they can open the Citadel relay (part of the Catalyst)? How do the Protheans get sneak onto the Citadel (part of the Catalyst) and change it without alerting the Catalyst? When the Citadel receives Sovereign's signal, and the keepers aren't activated, why doesn't it let Sovereign know what's going on? Why does Sovereign have to spend thousands of years figuring out by himself, and eventually using Saren to discover the truth. Why does the Citadel (part of the catalyst) have a master control console that organics can use? Why hasn't the Catalyst made the other reapers it controls who can enter the Milky Way using FTL drives, do so in all that time?

You presume that I am a fan of the original endings. I'm not. They are terrible. But IT is just as bad, probably a worse idea, and the only reason it surfaced and has such popularity is purely because of disappointment over the endings from the fans. IT means completely new endings, period, which is what IT believers want deep down. I attribute the original ending to poor, lazy writing which is far more likely than some fan-created theory about indoctrination.

Why would Bioware put their good-will with their fans and future business at such great risk with such a terrible ending if IT was intended from the very beginning? Do they honestly think that being clever like this they are going to win fans over and impress them? If the ending cannot stand on its own original merits, if Bioware intended to fool us from the beginning, as IT implies, and can only then be explained AND revealed in future DLC, then that's just lame and every gamer should ridicule Bioware for it.

It would be like going to see a movie, getting a really bad ending, and having the TRUE ending appear in some director's cut on DVD months later.

In the long term yes.. I would love them for it, and i'm not alone. I don't like the way they carried it out. The "fake" endings (as i truly hope they are), should have been more satisfying, and then more people would have been more happy to take them at face value, enabling Bioware to surprise us whenever they were ready.

[balance5050]

KingZayd wrote...



In the long term yes.. I would love them for it, and i'm not alone. I don't like the way they carried it out. The "fake" endings (as i truly hope they are), should have been more satisfying, and then more people would have been more happy to take them at face value, enabling Bioware to surprise us whenever they were ready.

I agree with this, the ending at face value should have had more work to be more satisfying, at the same time there should be more to the Shepard alive scene.

[KingZayd]

jijeebo wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

jijeebo wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

jijeebo wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

jijeebo wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

thinicer wrote...

I don't know which is worse to be honest with you: the actual endings we got, or the idea that all of it was some indoctrinated hallucination. The actual endings were examples of lazy writing and game development, and the IT assumes the developers were trying to trick us and be clever.

So how is the IT any better? It still results in a highly unsatisfying ending to a memorable story. The only reason the IT gained traction was because desperate fanboys, upset over the endings, tried desperately make sense out of them by looking for things that aren't actually there and evident. The IT presumes that, eventually, Bioware will release new and totally different endings to the game. There are going to be a lot of disappointed people.

It's not going to happen, and Bioware has already come out and said that the endings are going to stand. Time to let it go.

Again, nice eveidence you have presented.

They have evidence... The part where Bioware said the endings weren't changing from what they are.

Why do people not understand that for IT to work, BW can't change the ending...They just have to add more on to it.

Making all but the *perfect* ending more or less a CRITICAL FAILURE is most definately changing the ending.

Why don't people understand that?

You don't see a dead body in all the other endings, so not necessarily a critical failure. And it's not a change if that's what they were planning from the beginning. Why don't people understand that?

They NEVER planned it from the start, they've specifically said that the "content initiatives" regarding the ending are in addition to their planned content.

And you're an indoctrinated mess on the floor in a ruined earth, with no option but either being a traitor or shooting yourself in the face... Seems on a par with romancing Morinth tbh.

EDIT: Why don't people understand that?

They thought they had more time. They've had to shift priorities to get this sorted by SUmmer. Considering what you've been through that's not surprising.  and yeah i would like control to be a critical mission failure.. it feels just as stupid as deciding to have sex with Morinth.

But... I chose control. D=

And i thought Saren's sacrifice was a really bold thing to do, it served as a redemption of sorts. I would like for indoctrination Shepards to be given the option to paragon interrupt suicide personally. A test to see if you can match Saren's sacrifice for the good of the galaxy. They did say they were going for bittersweet

Only one problem there, that would be a new ending... And they've said we aren't getting any of those.

Anything after an ending would be a new ending. Think of it as an (possibly slightly interactive) epilogue then, there probably won't be much if any gameplay in the expansion right?

And i'm sorry you picked control. Should have just had sex with Morinth then.. ( at least then you'd get a happy ending.. before being leached and all that.. but focus on the positives ) on the bright side, they probably won't be as harsh on the would be controllers as i'd like

[dreman9999]

tute wrote...

Theory:
1. group of propositions used as principles to explain a class of phenomena
2. proposed explanation
quoted from dictionary.com

So is it a theory or a hypothesis? Hypothesis is an idea that you want to test to see if it's true or not

It's a theory because there fact supporting it but there is no way to test it yet.

[dreman9999]

jijeebo wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

jijeebo wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

jijeebo wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

jijeebo wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

thinicer wrote...

I don't know which is worse to be honest with you: the actual endings we got, or the idea that all of it was some indoctrinated hallucination. The actual endings were examples of lazy writing and game development, and the IT assumes the developers were trying to trick us and be clever.

So how is the IT any better? It still results in a highly unsatisfying ending to a memorable story. The only reason the IT gained traction was because desperate fanboys, upset over the endings, tried desperately make sense out of them by looking for things that aren't actually there and evident. The IT presumes that, eventually, Bioware will release new and totally different endings to the game. There are going to be a lot of disappointed people.

It's not going to happen, and Bioware has already come out and said that the endings are going to stand. Time to let it go.

Again, nice eveidence you have presented.

They have evidence... The part where Bioware said the endings weren't changing from what they are.

Why do people not understand that for IT to work, BW can't change the ending...They just have to add more on to it.

Making all but the *perfect* ending more or less a CRITICAL FAILURE is most definately changing the ending.

Why don't people understand that?

You don't see a dead body in all the other endings, so not necessarily a critical failure. And it's not a change if that's what they were planning from the beginning. Why don't people understand that?

They NEVER planned it from the start, they've specifically said that the "content initiatives" regarding the ending are in addition to their planned content.

And you're an indoctrinated mess on the floor in a ruined earth, with no option but either being a traitor or shooting yourself in the face... Seems on a par with romancing Morinth tbh.

EDIT: Why don't people understand that?

They thought they had more time. They've had to shift priorities to get this sorted by SUmmer. Considering what you've been through that's not surprising.  and yeah i would like control to be a critical mission failure.. it feels just as stupid as deciding to have sex with Morinth.

But... I chose control. D=

And i thought Saren's sacrifice was a really bold thing to do, it served as a redemption of sorts. I would like for indoctrination Shepards to be given the option to paragon interrupt suicide personally. A test to see if you can match Saren's sacrifice for the good of the galaxy. They did say they were going for bittersweet

Only one problem there, that would be a new ending... And they've said we aren't getting any of those.

No...That would be adding on to the ending. A new ending would mean changes to what wasused before...That won't do that.

[jijeebo]

KingZayd wrote...

jijeebo wrote...

KingZayd wrote...


They thought they had more time. They've had to shift priorities to get this sorted by SUmmer. Considering what you've been through that's not surprising.  and yeah i would like control to be a critical mission failure.. it feels just as stupid as deciding to have sex with Morinth.

But... I chose control. D=

And i thought Saren's sacrifice was a really bold thing to do, it served as a redemption of sorts. I would like for indoctrination Shepards to be given the option to paragon interrupt suicide personally. A test to see if you can match Saren's sacrifice for the good of the galaxy. They did say they were going for bittersweet

Only one problem there, that would be a new ending... And they've said we aren't getting any of those.

Anything after an ending would be a new ending. Think of it as an (possibly slightly interactive) epilogue then, there probably won't be much if any gameplay in the expansion right?

And i'm sorry you picked control. Should have just had sex with Morinth then.. ( at least then you'd get a happy ending.. before being leached and all that.. but focus on the positives ) on the bright side, they probably won't be as harsh on the would be controllers as i'd like

I do think that theres a difference between explaining what happens after the endings as is and changing/invalidating all but one of the endings and THEN adding stuff on the end based on that.

I expect it to go "Well you just took control of the reapers and stopped the cycle. Heres what happens next.", not "Well you picked control... YOU LOSE! You're indoctrinated and the galaxy is doomed due to your inevitable betrayal. That or you could shoot yourself in the face and spare Kaidan the trouble."


If this dlc isn't up to scratch though, I'm reloading all my saves in ME2, romancing Morinth, and calling it canon.

[jijeebo]

dreman9999 wrote...

jijeebo wrote...

KingZayd wrote...


They thought they had more time. They've had to shift priorities to get this sorted by SUmmer. Considering what you've been through that's not surprising.  and yeah i would like control to be a critical mission failure.. it feels just as stupid as deciding to have sex with Morinth.

But... I chose control. D=

And i thought Saren's sacrifice was a really bold thing to do, it served as a redemption of sorts. I would like for indoctrination Shepards to be given the option to paragon interrupt suicide personally. A test to see if you can match Saren's sacrifice for the good of the galaxy. They did say they were going for bittersweet

Only one problem there, that would be a new ending... And they've said we aren't getting any of those.

No...That would be adding on to the ending. A new ending would mean changes to what wasused before...That won't do that.

Well I chose control, so if IT was true my ending would go from "You took control of the reapers and stopped the cycle." to "You failed to defeat indoctrination and are now f***ed."

That seems like a new ending to me.

[dreman9999]

jijeebo wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

jijeebo wrote...

KingZayd wrote...


They thought they had more time. They've had to shift priorities to get this sorted by SUmmer. Considering what you've been through that's not surprising.  and yeah i would like control to be a critical mission failure.. it feels just as stupid as deciding to have sex with Morinth.

But... I chose control. D=

And i thought Saren's sacrifice was a really bold thing to do, it served as a redemption of sorts. I would like for indoctrination Shepards to be given the option to paragon interrupt suicide personally. A test to see if you can match Saren's sacrifice for the good of the galaxy. They did say they were going for bittersweet

Only one problem there, that would be a new ending... And they've said we aren't getting any of those.

No...That would be adding on to the ending. A new ending would mean changes to what wasused before...That won't do that.

Well I chose control, so if IT was true my ending would go from "You took control of the reapers and stopped the cycle." to "You failed to defeat indoctrination and are now f***ed."

That seems like a new ending to me.

That's still an add on.... and their is a cure for indoctrination...
 
...And your welcome.
Ps...Shame on you for picking control and not being able to get back to Jack.

Modifié par dreman9999, 17 avril 2012 - 05:19 .

[balance5050]

jijeebo wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

jijeebo wrote...

KingZayd wrote...


They thought they had more time. They've had to shift priorities to get this sorted by SUmmer. Considering what you've been through that's not surprising.  and yeah i would like control to be a critical mission failure.. it feels just as stupid as deciding to have sex with Morinth.

But... I chose control. D=

And i thought Saren's sacrifice was a really bold thing to do, it served as a redemption of sorts. I would like for indoctrination Shepards to be given the option to paragon interrupt suicide personally. A test to see if you can match Saren's sacrifice for the good of the galaxy. They did say they were going for bittersweet

Only one problem there, that would be a new ending... And they've said we aren't getting any of those.

No...That would be adding on to the ending. A new ending would mean changes to what wasused before...That won't do that.

Well I chose control, so if IT was true my ending would go from "You took control of the reapers and stopped the cycle." to "You failed to defeat indoctrination and are now f***ed."

That seems like a new ending to me.

You grabbed lightning because a little kid told you to.... You're ending is still valid, it's just your dying fantasy is all.

Modifié par balance5050, 17 avril 2012 - 05:18 .

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

dreman9999 wrote...
That's still and add on.... and their is a cure for indoctrination...

That is not a simple add on. That is a complete new ending.

Modifié par Lizardviking, 17 avril 2012 - 05:23 .

[Majin Paul]

I severely hope it's not the case, that kind of ending to any medium taints it in my opinion, I rarely end up going back to it and spending so much time on it to have it be said that I wasted 30-40+ hours on such a story ending would be a terrible idea in gaming.
I'm hoping it's just some people who don't like the ending trying to find a way to make it better.
(I didn't even think the ending was bad, my only negatives were the synthesis ending left Shepard dead and the destroy ending left the Geth dead, who I came to like after their segment.)

[jijeebo]

dreman9999 wrote...

jijeebo wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

jijeebo wrote...

KingZayd wrote...


They thought they had more time. They've had to shift priorities to get this sorted by SUmmer. Considering what you've been through that's not surprising.  and yeah i would like control to be a critical mission failure.. it feels just as stupid as deciding to have sex with Morinth.

But... I chose control. D=

And i thought Saren's sacrifice was a really bold thing to do, it served as a redemption of sorts. I would like for indoctrination Shepards to be given the option to paragon interrupt suicide personally. A test to see if you can match Saren's sacrifice for the good of the galaxy. They did say they were going for bittersweet

Only one problem there, that would be a new ending... And they've said we aren't getting any of those.

No...That would be adding on to the ending. A new ending would mean changes to what wasused before...That won't do that.

Well I chose control, so if IT was true my ending would go from "You took control of the reapers and stopped the cycle." to "You failed to defeat indoctrination and are now f***ed."

That seems like a new ending to me.

That's still an add on.... and their is a cure for indoctrination...
 
...And your welcome.
Ps...Shame on you for picking control and not being able to get back to Jack.

It's still a new ending, I went from being the mind of the reapers to being a mindless failure. D=

P.s. Worry not, my Shep who romanced Jack chose destroy for the *best* ending... Kaidan wasn't so lucky with his Shep though.

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By fighting IT you're saying you liked the space magic more...

[dreman9999]

Lizardviking wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
That's still and add on.... and their is a cure for indoctrination...

That is not a simple add on. That is a complete new ending.

Nope, add on. Nothing abotut he cataylist would not be changed...Hence add on . It's just like the chace with this Prince of Persia game when they added more to the ending via dlc...
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Modifié par dreman9999, 17 avril 2012 - 05:28 .

[KingZayd]

jijeebo wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

jijeebo wrote...

KingZayd wrote...


They thought they had more time. They've had to shift priorities to get this sorted by SUmmer. Considering what you've been through that's not surprising.  and yeah i would like control to be a critical mission failure.. it feels just as stupid as deciding to have sex with Morinth.

But... I chose control. D=

And i thought Saren's sacrifice was a really bold thing to do, it served as a redemption of sorts. I would like for indoctrination Shepards to be given the option to paragon interrupt suicide personally. A test to see if you can match Saren's sacrifice for the good of the galaxy. They did say they were going for bittersweet

Only one problem there, that would be a new ending... And they've said we aren't getting any of those.

Anything after an ending would be a new ending. Think of it as an (possibly slightly interactive) epilogue then, there probably won't be much if any gameplay in the expansion right?

And i'm sorry you picked control. Should have just had sex with Morinth then.. ( at least then you'd get a happy ending.. before being leached and all that.. but focus on the positives ) on the bright side, they probably won't be as harsh on the would be controllers as i'd like

I do think that theres a difference between explaining what happens after the endings as is and changing/invalidating all but one of the endings and THEN adding stuff on the end based on that.

I expect it to go "Well you just took control of the reapers and stopped the cycle. Heres what happens next.", not "Well you picked control... YOU LOSE! You're indoctrinated and the galaxy is doomed due to your inevitable betrayal. That or you could shoot yourself in the face and spare Kaidan the trouble."


If this dlc isn't up to scratch though, I'm reloading all my saves in ME2, romancing Morinth, and calling it canon.

Indoc would explain that you didn't really control the reapers in the end, by manner of you waking up being controlled by the reapers, like everyone else who has tried. And yeah, it won't be awesome for your character, it will be bittersweet, because despite his own personal tragedy, he still saves the galaxy. Also Anderson's probably still 'xploded/burnt by the reaper weapon that looks like a laser, but is actually firing plasma or something. Hey at least indoc let you say goodbye (also why did he follow you up there, but looks unscathed? Did he wait for you or something?) Again, just because i want control to lead to galactic doom (seriously the whole game tells you it's the wrong choice, and you just spent a while trying to convince TIM that it's the wrong choice too) doesn't mean Bioware will. In fact i'm almost certain they won't. It seems to be that while a lot of the evidence used to support indoc theory seems flakey, not all of it is. It seems to me that that whole sequence was deliberately surreal. The whole huh? i shot Anderson, shake head, oh he's fine thing just seems so odd, and i struggle to think it was accidental.

The only possible explanation i have apart form indoc (and i accept it's a possibililty): is that all this evidence is a relic of Bioware's previous plans to have indoctrination in the game. there's a thing about how the player was meant to be indoctrinated at some point and lose control over their character but they found it difficult to implement. If instead of just changing the implementation, they also changed the story to one without indoctrination and didn't bother to remove all the evidence they had previously planted.

And yeah, if the DLC is up to scratch a lot of us will  be head-canoning