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[Vigil_N7]

balance5050 wrote...

Vigil_N7 wrote...

jijeebo wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

jijeebo wrote...


But my interpretation would HAVE to change because the game forced it to. As far as i'm concerned everything actually happened and my Shep now has control of the reapers, that no longer being the case changes my ending.

I'm happy you feel you can control the reapers, it's not like everyone else who thought they could control them ended up indoctrinated or anything.... wait.

I didn't get the option to second guess the catalyst so I didn't. I didn't like it but I took him at his word, and control seemed like my best option.

And the scenario Shepard was presented with was nothing like anything that had happened before ever... It's not comparable to the TIMs mad plan to rule the galaxy.

This. I'm SICK to death with the whole "CONTROL IS A BAD ENDING DERP, BECAUSE THATS WHAT TIM WANTED!!!!!!!1111111" 

WROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG. 

Tim wanted to control the reapers to protect and advance humanity. However, he couldn't as "we" (reapers) "already controlled him." 

The reapers don't control Shepard, so he can control them. 

Not just TIM, every other person in history who though they could control the reapers became or already was indoctrinated.

Except they weren't commander shepard. 

I picked Destroy exactly because I thought "since when has using reaper tech ever payed off?" and I stick by that, however every indication from bioware (and hell, Patrick Weekes pretty much said it) that Shepard WILL be able to control the reapers. 

[balance5050]

Gwtheyrn wrote...

No. The indoctrination approach is grasping at straws.

Nice evidence there buddy 

[balance5050]

Vigil_N7 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Vigil_N7 wrote...

jijeebo wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

jijeebo wrote...


But my interpretation would HAVE to change because the game forced it to. As far as i'm concerned everything actually happened and my Shep now has control of the reapers, that no longer being the case changes my ending.

I'm happy you feel you can control the reapers, it's not like everyone else who thought they could control them ended up indoctrinated or anything.... wait.

I didn't get the option to second guess the catalyst so I didn't. I didn't like it but I took him at his word, and control seemed like my best option.

And the scenario Shepard was presented with was nothing like anything that had happened before ever... It's not comparable to the TIMs mad plan to rule the galaxy.

This. I'm SICK to death with the whole "CONTROL IS A BAD ENDING DERP, BECAUSE THATS WHAT TIM WANTED!!!!!!!1111111" 

WROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG. 

Tim wanted to control the reapers to protect and advance humanity. However, he couldn't as "we" (reapers) "already controlled him." 

The reapers don't control Shepard, so he can control them. 

Not just TIM, every other person in history who though they could control the reapers became or already was indoctrinated.

Except they weren't commander shepard. 

I picked Destroy exactly because I thought "since when has using reaper tech ever payed off?" and I stick by that, however every indication from bioware (and hell, Patrick Weekes pretty much said it) that Shepard WILL be able to control the reapers. 

False, there was a funny comic about shep being a reaper casuse of how ridiculous it is and Jessica Merizan posted it on her twitter.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

balance5050 wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
That's still and add on.... and their is a cure for indoctrination...

That is not a simple add on. That is a complete new ending.

Nope, add on. Nothing abotut he cataylist would be changed...Hence add on . It just like the chase with this Prince of Persia game when they added more to the ending via dlc...
http://en.wikipedia....008_video_game)

Yes it is changing the ending.

Current versions.

Shepard destroyes all synthethic life thereby stopping the Reapers, destroys all relays and the Citadel, Normandy crashes.

Shepard controls the Reapers thereby stopping the cycle, destroys all relays but not the Citadel, Normandy crashes.

Shepard evolves all life thereby stopping the cycle, destroys all relays and the Citadel, Normandy crashes.

With IT these things change into.

Shepard resists indoctrination, fight on in the war, wins it or whatever.

Shepard becomes indoctrinated, dooms the war and whatever.

You are changing the nature of the endings by quite a margin.

Nope, just your interpretation changes;)

[facepalm]

No. The ending changes.

[jijeebo]

balance5050 wrote...

Vigil_N7 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Vigil_N7 wrote...

I'd disagree. Outside of Arrival, Shepard hasn't been any more exposed to Reaper Tech than any of his other squad members aboard the Normandy, and they their will is less remarkable than Shepard.

You only take two with you for most the missions, Shep is a constant and therefore is more exposed than his squad.

I always see this as more of a gameplay thing. Liara goes on about Ilos, except I never took her with me (Picked Garrus and Ashley.) 

I always thought the assumption was all squad mates are with you technically, but obviously they won't appear in game due to development constraints. 

Well, you know what happens when you ass-u-me anthing right?

You get DIRECT CONTROL, of course.



........ I'm sorry.

[KingZayd]

Vigil_N7 wrote...

jijeebo wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

jijeebo wrote...


But my interpretation would HAVE to change because the game forced it to. As far as i'm concerned everything actually happened and my Shep now has control of the reapers, that no longer being the case changes my ending.

I'm happy you feel you can control the reapers, it's not like everyone else who thought they could control them ended up indoctrinated or anything.... wait.

I didn't get the option to second guess the catalyst so I didn't. I didn't like it but I took him at his word, and control seemed like my best option.

And the scenario Shepard was presented with was nothing like anything that had happened before ever... It's not comparable to the TIMs mad plan to rule the galaxy.

This. I'm SICK to death with the whole "CONTROL IS A BAD ENDING DERP, BECAUSE THATS WHAT TIM WANTED!!!!!!!1111111" 

WROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG. 

Tim wanted to control the reapers to protect and advance humanity. However, he couldn't as "we" (reapers) "already controlled him." 

The reapers don't control Shepard, so he can control them. 

It's not just because of TIM. In fact TIM was  the closest (in this cycle anyway) to getting control of the reapers. He'd discovered how they communicated and he was able to control reaper husks, understanding indoctrination. (side note: those video logs in Cerberus base.. were they for you? if not, who?)

Rudimentary creature of blood and flesh. You think to control the Reapers' minds, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding. Confidence born of ignorance.

[dreman9999]

Vigil_N7 wrote...

I'd disagree. Outside of Arrival, Shepard hasn't been any more exposed to Reaper Tech than any of his other squad members aboard the Normandy, and they their will is less remarkable than Shepard.

How much of your squad is guarantted to be on every mission from begining of ME1 to Arriavl?...Not a one.Shepard, out of the the people on you ship, is the one guarranteed to be on everymission those having the most exposer to reaper tech...Way more the his squad.

[balance5050]

Lizardviking wrote...

No. The ending changes.

No, your perception^_^.

People have hundreds of different perceptions of the ending, the "extended" ending and "clarification" will will change those perception.

[dreman9999]

Lizardviking wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
That's still and add on.... and their is a cure for indoctrination...

That is not a simple add on. That is a complete new ending.

Nope, add on. Nothing abotut he cataylist would be changed...Hence add on . It just like the chase with this Prince of Persia game when they added more to the ending via dlc...
http://en.wikipedia....008_video_game)

Yes it is changing the ending.

Current versions.

Shepard destroyes all synthethic life thereby stopping the Reapers, destroys all relays and the Citadel, Normandy crashes.

Shepard controls the Reapers thereby stopping the cycle, destroys all relays but not the Citadel, Normandy crashes.

Shepard evolves all life thereby stopping the cycle, destroys all relays and the Citadel, Normandy crashes.

With IT these things change into.

Shepard resists indoctrination, fight on in the war, wins it or whatever.

Shepard becomes indoctrinated, dooms the war and whatever.

You are changing the nature of the endings by quite a margin.

Nope, just your interpretation changes;)

[facepalm]

No. The ending changes.

No...Add ons.

[KingZayd]

Vigil_N7 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Vigil_N7 wrote...

jijeebo wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

jijeebo wrote...


But my interpretation would HAVE to change because the game forced it to. As far as i'm concerned everything actually happened and my Shep now has control of the reapers, that no longer being the case changes my ending.

I'm happy you feel you can control the reapers, it's not like everyone else who thought they could control them ended up indoctrinated or anything.... wait.

I didn't get the option to second guess the catalyst so I didn't. I didn't like it but I took him at his word, and control seemed like my best option.

And the scenario Shepard was presented with was nothing like anything that had happened before ever... It's not comparable to the TIMs mad plan to rule the galaxy.

This. I'm SICK to death with the whole "CONTROL IS A BAD ENDING DERP, BECAUSE THATS WHAT TIM WANTED!!!!!!!1111111" 

WROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG. 

Tim wanted to control the reapers to protect and advance humanity. However, he couldn't as "we" (reapers) "already controlled him." 

The reapers don't control Shepard, so he can control them. 

Not just TIM, every other person in history who though they could control the reapers became or already was indoctrinated.

Except they weren't commander shepard. 

I picked Destroy exactly because I thought "since when has using reaper tech ever payed off?" and I stick by that, however every indication from bioware (and hell, Patrick Weekes pretty much said it) that Shepard WILL be able to control the reapers. 

Why do you think Commander Shepard is so special that he is immune to indoctrination?

[balance5050]

KingZayd wrote...

Rudimentary creature of blood and flesh. You think to control the Reapers' minds, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding. Confidence born of ignorance.

Wicked...

[KingZayd]

Lizardviking wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
That's still and add on.... and their is a cure for indoctrination...

That is not a simple add on. That is a complete new ending.

Nope, add on. Nothing abotut he cataylist would be changed...Hence add on . It just like the chase with this Prince of Persia game when they added more to the ending via dlc...
http://en.wikipedia....008_video_game)

Yes it is changing the ending.

Current versions.

Shepard destroyes all synthethic life thereby stopping the Reapers, destroys all relays and the Citadel, Normandy crashes.

Shepard controls the Reapers thereby stopping the cycle, destroys all relays but not the Citadel, Normandy crashes.

Shepard evolves all life thereby stopping the cycle, destroys all relays and the Citadel, Normandy crashes.

With IT these things change into.

Shepard resists indoctrination, fight on in the war, wins it or whatever.

Shepard becomes indoctrinated, dooms the war and whatever.

You are changing the nature of the endings by quite a margin.

Nope, just your interpretation changes;)

[facepalm]

No. The ending changes.

No. The ending is made clear----> clarification.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

dreman9999 wrote...
No...Add ons.

No. It changes them. You are changing the events of the story to be something completely different.

[balance5050]

Lizardviking wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
No...Add ons.

No. It changes them. You are changing the events of the story to be something completely different.

It's not differerent if you've already put the clues together and found out what the ending actually is.

[comanche warior]

There is also subtle hints towards it during some of the crew chatter. The kid was also a sign especially when the soldiers didnt help him into the shuttle.

[dreman9999]

Lizardviking wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
No...Add ons.

No. It changes them. You are changing the events of the story to be something completely different.

 It going to be the same case of the dlc ending of this Prince of Persia game when they added more to the ending via dlc...
http://en.wikipedia....2008_video_game

That was and add on and this is an add on.

[balance5050]

dreman9999 wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
No...Add ons.

No. It changes them. You are changing the events of the story to be something completely different.

 It going to be the same case of the dlc ending of this Prince of Persia game when they added more to the ending via dlc...
http://en.wikipedia....2008_video_game

That was and add on and this is an add on.

This^

Also Asura's Wrath and FF13-2 are doing the exact same thing.

[Soultaker08]

comanche warior wrote...

There is also subtle hints towards it during some of the crew chatter. The kid was also a sign especially when the soldiers didnt help him into the shuttle.

LoL , the reaper which destroys the two shuttles does not destroy the normandy, which is directly infront of him and what does this proof?!

If he destroyed the Normandy then the game would have ended , or maybe he knew that shepard would be indoctrinated later so he ignored the Normandy. /sarcasm out

[balance5050]

Soultaker08 wrote...

comanche warior wrote...

There is also subtle hints towards it during some of the crew chatter. The kid was also a sign especially when the soldiers didnt help him into the shuttle.

LoL , the reaper which destroys the two shuttles does not destroy the normandy, which is directly infront of him and what does this proof?!

If he destroyed the Normandy then the game would have ended , or maybe he knew that shepard would be indoctrinated later so he ignored the Normandy. /sarcasm out

Reaper IFF, and the Normandy is a stealth ship.

[Soultaker08]

balance5050 wrote...

Soultaker08 wrote...

comanche warior wrote...

There is also subtle hints towards it during some of the crew chatter. The kid was also a sign especially when the soldiers didnt help him into the shuttle.

LoL , the reaper which destroys the two shuttles does not destroy the normandy, which is directly infront of him and what does this proof?!

If he destroyed the Normandy then the game would have ended , or maybe he knew that shepard would be indoctrinated later so he ignored the Normandy. /sarcasm out

Reaper IFF, and the Normandy is a stealth ship.

The reapers are not the geth , they are the "appex of evolution" and the perfect machines, if they could not detect stealth by seeing it they were like the early geth.

The Reaper IFF was analyzed by EDI, no problem reproducing it.
How other way Cerberus got to the collector base on their own, gathering the reaper parts.

Modifié par Soultaker08, 17 avril 2012 - 06:23 .

[balance5050]

Soultaker08 wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Soultaker08 wrote...

comanche warior wrote...

There is also subtle hints towards it during some of the crew chatter. The kid was also a sign especially when the soldiers didnt help him into the shuttle.

LoL , the reaper which destroys the two shuttles does not destroy the normandy, which is directly infront of him and what does this proof?!

If he destroyed the Normandy then the game would have ended , or maybe he knew that shepard would be indoctrinated later so he ignored the Normandy. /sarcasm out

Reaper IFF, and the Normandy is a stealth ship.

The reapers are not the geth , they are the "appex of evolution" and the perfect machines, if they could not detect stealth by seeing it they were like the early geth.

The Reaper IFF was analyzed by EDI, no problem reproducing it.
How other way Cerberus got to the collector base on their own, gathering the reaper parts.

Your point being?

[The_Shootist]

im commander shep wrote...

Is it agreed Shepard was being indoctrinated/fighting indoctrination during ME3?

If we forget about Indoctrination Theory and the ending for the moment.

No. I see nothing in the IT theory but forlorn hope.

[KingZayd]

The_Shootist wrote...

im commander shep wrote...

Is it agreed Shepard was being indoctrinated/fighting indoctrination during ME3?

If we forget about Indoctrination Theory and the ending for the moment.

No. I see nothing in the IT theory but forlorn hope.

try again. look at the TIM encounter on the citadel, and reanswer. What do you think TIM was using to control Shepard?

[Soultaker08]

balance5050 wrote...

Your point being?

Lets create a fleet of ships with either stealth or reaper IFF and the reaper problem is solved.

No ressources needed for crucible , just some guerilla ships firing together on one reaper after the other , stealthing firing stealthing , tada earth is free...

Modifié par Soultaker08, 17 avril 2012 - 06:27 .

[jijeebo]

KingZayd wrote...

The_Shootist wrote...

im commander shep wrote...

Is it agreed Shepard was being indoctrinated/fighting indoctrination during ME3?

If we forget about Indoctrination Theory and the ending for the moment.

No. I see nothing in the IT theory but forlorn hope.

try again. look at the TIM encounter on the citadel, and reanswer. What do you think TIM was using to control Shepard?

The technology that was engineered on Sanctuary I'd bet.