KingZayd wrote...
Shepard's squadmates don't all accompany him everywhere.. (for some reason Shepard only likes to have 2 of his people with him at any given time except when giving speeches or on suicide missions). Also, Shepard's the only one who has the face-to-face conversation with the Rannoch Reaper.
Modifié par Mobius-Silent, 17 avril 2012 - 12:56 .
Who talking about whatI think....I'm just asking what you think and I want fact to support that awnser...Iconoclaste wrote...
So, he's not dreaming that part anymore, then?dreman9999 wrote...
The two power that do that is stasis and domination...Stasis puts the taget in a feild where they can't move at all, not even to talk...Domination make them mindless and they do anything the caster say...
Anderson is staggering and has no feild over him...So it's not stasis....And Anderson still has consuse though and can talk on his own...So it's no domination...
So it not boitics then....So, agian I ask...How is TIM controling Anderson?
dreman9999 wrote...
Who talking about whatI think....I'm just asking what you think and I want fact to support that awnser...
How is TIM controling Anderson?
We are saying that's whenIt starts... And the answer is Harbinger.Laurencio wrote...
If he was, then it happened during Arrival didn't it? That's really the only time we are really close to a powerful reaper for a longer period of time (2 days at least) who would have had the time and power to indoctrinate Shepard.
And we already seen that tech and how it works...It's called reaper tech....And it takes time. So unless someone in that room start becoming indoctrinated, none of that should be possible.OdanUrr wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
Who talking about whatI think....I'm just asking what you think and I want fact to support that awnser...
How is TIM controling Anderson?
This is just my interpretation but it's possible that TIM has implanted himself with tech that allows him to send some sort of electromagnetic signal to the brain's motor control. This would explain why everything in that scene has to do with movement, or lack thereof. TIM paralyzing Shepard and Anderson, moving Shepard's arm and trigger finger, making Anderson kneel, etc.
OdanUrr wrote...
It could also be attributed to war fatigue. He's practically fighting the entire war single-handedly, having nightmares about not being able to save someone, hearing whispers from everyone he's not been able to save in the past.
As for the betraying friends bit, TIM fired that gun, not Shepard.
dreman9999 wrote...
And we already seen that tech and how it works...It's called reaper tech....And it takes time. So unless someone in that room start becoming indoctrinated, none of that should be possible.
Silhouett3 wrote...
Whoa? This is the scene:
So either if TIM fires that gun or TIM makes Shep fire that gun how do you explain he has the ability to do what only Reapers are capable of?
True, but it not a coincidence that Shepard is having bad dreams, a thing shown reapers can effect...Mobius-Silent wrote...
No it's not accepted at all, more plausible and straightforward interpretations for the house-of-cards that "support" this idea are:
* Shepard's dreams are simple guilt, The "songs the colour of oily shadows" line from the Rachni queen was never a visual description the Rachni mix senses when describing things Like "sour" "oily" "yellow". Also the figures in the dream are smokey (like a dream) not "oily"
* Indoctrination is subtle and takes some consistent time. Shep has not spent that long near active indoctrination-capable reaper tech.
* As stated in ME1 the alien whispers feature commands and are present when awake. Shep's dream whispers are just memorable lines from dead squadmates, some are inspirational, some are sad, none are relevent to the reapers goals.
* The internal-only scene notes for the TIM scene at the end explicitly state "IM uses his control mojo on Shepard" this is after TIM getting implanted with tech that Cerberus developed in the belief it would allow him to control other beings, Shep brings this up during the exchange
* Object Rho was the power source for the longish-jump-capable Alpha relay, that is what the power build-up was about. Speculation of indoctrination during that time is simply speculation all current information would suggest it would take much longer.
First of all no matter how you cut it...If TIM reverse enginered the tech and is using it...It still will be working the same way as before He would be able to indoctinate people but not in away that it has not been shown..Also note that in that scene,we find out TIM is inoctrinated.....He not in control.OdanUrr wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
And we already seen that tech and how it works...It's called reaper tech....And it takes time. So unless someone in that room start becoming indoctrinated, none of that should be possible.
I'm not sure whether it's Reaper tech or TIM's attempts at reverse-engineering Reaper tech. In any event, why should the tech have anything to do with indoctrination? TIM's researching ways to control the Reapers. This scene shows us that he can at least control a person's movements.Silhouett3 wrote...
Whoa? This is the scene:
So either if TIM fires that gun or TIM makes Shep fire that gun how do you explain he has the ability to do what only Reapers are capable of?
TIM has been researching ways to control the Reapers and he has succeeded, if only in part, to control husks. As per what I suggested above, he could have developed some sort of EM signal that can influence the brain's motor control.
Modifié par dreman9999, 17 avril 2012 - 01:19 .
http://social.biowar...75/blog/212630/pharsti wrote...
Its far from agreed..... its just a fanfiction.
dreman9999 wrote...
First of all no matter how you cut it...If time reverse enginered the tech and is using it...It still will be working the same way as before He would be able to indoctinate people but not in away that it has not been shown..Also note that in that scene,we find out TIM is inoctrinated.....He not in control.
You're forgeting that inoctination does not work the way heis using it.
Modifié par pistolols, 17 avril 2012 - 01:27 .
If it base on indoctrination, it is indoctrination....It doen't become something else because it backward enginnered. Look at the thanix cannon, that came out of reverse enginnering a reaper cannon, same concept.OdanUrr wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
First of all no matter how you cut it...If time reverse enginered the tech and is using it...It still will be working the same way as before He would be able to indoctinate people but not in away that it has not been shown..Also note that in that scene,we find out TIM is inoctrinated.....He not in control.
You're forgeting that inoctination does not work the way heis using it.
First, I never said TIM is using indoctrination in that scene, I'm saying he created a technological means to manipulate the brain's motor control.
Second, we don't know TIM is indoctrinated, Anderson and Shepard suggest he is. In the context, I agree it is the more likely explanation. I have another theory, but that's just a story at this point and not supported by the games.
Modifié par dreman9999, 17 avril 2012 - 01:38 .
fact 4: indoctrination field? Sorry, but that's not a fact, it's speculation. It could be just an energy wave (Mass Effect Field). Kenson was being controlled by Harbinger (assuming direct control) is another way to see that scene.
Modifié par Dendio1, 17 avril 2012 - 01:32 .
dreman9999 wrote...
First of all no matter how you cut it...If TIM reverse enginered the tech and is using it...It still will be working the same way as before He would be able to indoctinate people but not in away that it has not been shown..Also note that in that scene,we find out TIM is inoctrinated.....He not in control.OdanUrr wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
And we already seen that tech and how it works...It's called reaper tech....And it takes time. So unless someone in that room start becoming indoctrinated, none of that should be possible.
I'm not sure whether it's Reaper tech or TIM's attempts at reverse-engineering Reaper tech. In any event, why should the tech have anything to do with indoctrination? TIM's researching ways to control the Reapers. This scene shows us that he can at least control a person's movements.Silhouett3 wrote...
Whoa? This is the scene:
So either if TIM fires that gun or TIM makes Shep fire that gun how do you explain he has the ability to do what only Reapers are capable of?
TIM has been researching ways to control the Reapers and he has succeeded, if only in part, to control husks. As per what I suggested above, he could have developed some sort of EM signal that can influence the brain's motor control.
You're forgeting that inoctination does not work the way heis using it.
Tleining wrote...
"UPDATED (Only if the player has not completed the Arrival DLC for Mass Effect 2)
Admiral Hackett dispatched marines to the planet Aratoht to rescue a deep cover agent, Dr. Amanda Kenson. The teams were killed in an explosion that wiped out both the colony and the system's relay. The Alliance spent weeks piecing together scattered radio transmissions, learning that the marines felt they had no choice but to send an asteroid into the relay to prevent invasion by the Reapers. While it bought the Alliance some time, the men and women lost on the mission were a severe blow to the 103rd Marine Corps."
dreman9999 wrote...
If it base on indoctrination, it is indoctrination....It doen't become something else because it backward enginnered. Look at the thanix cannon, that came out of reverse enginnering a reaper cannon, same concept.
Also, yes TIM is indoctrinated in the scene, he acts like Saren and he can't active the crucible when he wants to being that it is his way of controling the reapers, and he kills him self if you help him realise it.... The only way for TIM to not to be indoctrinated is if the scene was not real.
dreman9999 wrote...
....., Start up sometime after Shep is hit by an indoctrinaion feild in arrival as soon as the reaper invation truely begins.
Modifié par Mobius-Silent, 17 avril 2012 - 01:50 .
Inxentas wrote...
The dreams with alien voices and shadowy figures are codex textbook examples of indoctrination. Also, the codex says sudden indoctrination is possible, but has far worse side effects then slow and purposefull indoctrination. TIM found out the technical details of indoctrination, so the scene with the oily black shadows is simply an indoctrination attempt. I don't get why people think differently, to me this was clear before any speculations ensued.
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