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[Tleining]

dreman9999 wrote...

1. Do you have any proof that anything after the reaper cut down Shepard really happen?
2.
Indoctrinated People hear Whispers: Fact
Every Person who hears Whispers in their Dreams is Indoctrinated: Assumption 
Shepard spent years near reaper tech:Fact
Shepard was hit by an indoctrination feild on arrival strong enough for him to see visions and voices:fact.
Indoctrintion doesn't go away:Fact
Indoctrination is subtle:fact
Indoctrination can be builded up over tiem :fact(Saren)
Shepard had strang dreams months after being hit by the indoctrination feild from object rho:FACT
Reapers can effect dreams :Fact.

1. You mean aside from the Fact that Bioware is expanding on the Endings so IT seems out?
I prefer the Indoctrination Theory. But right now i doubt that the Bioware devs were smart enough to include something like that

Over the course of several Months, Shepard spend some Minutes near Reaper Tech. (Plus 2 optional hours)
Again, Indoctrination Field is what you make of it. There are no Visions and Voices. Shepard sees Kenson with glowing eyes, maybe being controlled by Harby
It can go away under certain circumstances (Thorian). Oh, Shepard was exposed to that as well
Can be subtle. But everyone who was indoctrinated was pretty obvious about it, and they were aware that they were talking to the Reapers. They just assumed the Reapers were benevolent.
Saren was inside Sovereign and slowly indoctrinated. He studied it. Shepard was only inside a Reaper for ...30 Minutes?
The Indoctrination Field is not a Fact. Shepard being exposed to Object Rho is not a Fact.

[Mobius-Silent]

balance5050 wrote...

What? You're arguing semantics. Indoctrination takes many forms... from artifacts, to ships, to tech. If you read the codex you see that they have different methods. You playing thee right game? 

No I'm arguing accuracy. Indoctrination uses sonics and EM and controls organic minds. Huskification creates a synthetic-hybrid soldier out of organics using nanotech, there is nothing of their organic mind after this process. The codex differentiates between the two, and any time the two are used in concert a specific point is made of it, illustrating they are different things.

Sticking a dead human on a spike does not indocrtinate them, it converts them physically. 

[jijeebo]

balance5050 wrote...

thinicer wrote...

I don't know which is worse to be honest with you: the actual endings we got, or the idea that all of it was some indoctrinated hallucination. The actual endings were examples of lazy writing and game development, and the IT assumes the developers were trying to trick us and be clever.

So how is the IT any better? It still results in a highly unsatisfying ending to a memorable story. The only reason the IT gained traction was because desperate fanboys, upset over the endings, tried desperately make sense out of them by looking for things that aren't actually there and evident. The IT presumes that, eventually, Bioware will release new and totally different endings to the game. There are going to be a lot of disappointed people.

It's not going to happen, and Bioware has already come out and said that the endings are going to stand. Time to let it go.

Again, nice eveidence you have presented.

They have evidence... The part where Bioware said the endings weren't changing from what they are.

[balance5050]

Mobius-Silent wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

What? You're arguing semantics. Indoctrination takes many forms... from artifacts, to ships, to tech. If you read the codex you see that they have different methods. You playing thee right game? 

No I'm arguing accuracy. Indoctrination uses sonics and EM and controls organic minds. Huskification creates a synthetic-hybrid soldier out of organics using nanotech, there is nothing of their organic mind after this process. The codex differentiates between the two, and any time the two are used in concert a specific point is made of it, illustrating they are different things.

Sticking a dead human on a spike does not indocrtinate them, it converts them physically. 

You are correct, they are different things. But that doesn't mean that an indoctrinated can't later become a husk.... I really don't see your point 

[dreman9999]

Mobius-Silent wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
The third discovery is that the object broadcasts signals and information on many different spectra. One such pulse, suspected to be similar to a quantum entanglement communicator, reaches into. Another broadcast is infrasound, consistent with frequencies that trigger feelings of awe and fear in , a known factor in Reaper ]. Kenson's laboratory is filled with equipment dedicated to monitoring any signal coming from the artifact in the hopes that some clue will prove the Reapers' undoing before it's too late

Yes they can communicate from dark space to object Rho, shock horror. If they could remote control the process of indoctrination they wouldn't need the QC tech in object Rho.

The reapers don't get to regulate the (supposed) incomplete indoctrination in Shep without nearby tech, thats why Rho _had_ that tech.

Point is I don't need to prove my position, what I'm illustrating is that there are alternate "natural" explainiation for the stuff y'all take a "proof" of IT. My point is that you have no "proof" only suppositions, all I need to come up with is a simple alternate explaination, of which there are plenty. As fanfic, I think IT is neat, but I'd prerer it stayed on fanfiction.net

Just brace youselves come the summer, seriously.  Because you're still in the "denial" stage of grief and the rest will hit hard when it does. I hope the EC will be good enough to dull the pain because it will kill IT (due to not confirming it, remember Bioware saying: "We don't want to be prescriptive")

1. QEC is the remote control presecc of indoctrination.
2.
http://social.biowar...75/blog/212630/ 
What I'm say that thise things happen all once is no a coincidence. That like is all the fact supporting it. No one is fasle. Shepard, who is by reapers tech for over 3 years and is hit by a indoctrination wave by a reaper object at indoctrinated everyone on project rho, to have strange dreams after word with oily shadow, and whispers and the fact reapers can effect dreams is no a coincidense...It's dedutive reasoning.

Reaper and reeper deives indoctrinte+Shep being near reaper tech of years+Reaper shown to effect dreams+people hearing whispers when they are being indoctrinated+the indoctrination waves from object rho hitting shepard+Shepard having strage dreams with wispers and oily shadows =Shepard being in the prosecc of being indoctrinated...

In short..
Shepard being near reaper tech of year+object rho+all the facts about indoctrination+him having strang dreams with whisperd =.....

[balance5050]

jijeebo wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

thinicer wrote...

I don't know which is worse to be honest with you: the actual endings we got, or the idea that all of it was some indoctrinated hallucination. The actual endings were examples of lazy writing and game development, and the IT assumes the developers were trying to trick us and be clever.

So how is the IT any better? It still results in a highly unsatisfying ending to a memorable story. The only reason the IT gained traction was because desperate fanboys, upset over the endings, tried desperately make sense out of them by looking for things that aren't actually there and evident. The IT presumes that, eventually, Bioware will release new and totally different endings to the game. There are going to be a lot of disappointed people.

It's not going to happen, and Bioware has already come out and said that the endings are going to stand. Time to let it go.

Again, nice eveidence you have presented.

They have evidence... The part where Bioware said the endings weren't changing from what they are.

Right, just "extending" and "clarifying" 

[thinicer]

balance5050 wrote...

thinicer wrote...

I don't know which is worse to be honest with you: the actual endings we got, or the idea that all of it was some indoctrinated hallucination. The actual endings were examples of lazy writing and game development, and the IT assumes the developers were trying to trick us and be clever.

So how is the IT any better? It still results in a highly unsatisfying ending to a memorable story. The only reason the IT gained traction was because desperate fanboys, upset over the endings, tried desperately make sense out of them by looking for things that aren't actually there and evident. The IT presumes that, eventually, Bioware will release new and totally different endings to the game. There are going to be a lot of disappointed people.

It's not going to happen, and Bioware has already come out and said that the endings are going to stand. Time to let it go.

Again, nice eveidence you have presented.

You provide no evidence, just wild, speculation. The IT relies solely on the premise that Bioware will bring out completely new endings for ME3, and this is not going to happen. They have already said as such - the endings are going to stand, just expanded upon.

Honestly, I don't know why so many fans are still clinging to this theory. They are overthinking the endings far more than Bioware did.

[Talogrungi]

I didn't see anything in the game that suggested Shepard was immune to indoctrination.

I saw more than a bit to suggest that he might be suffering from some measure of psychological distress, and his exposure to Reapertech is pretty extensive.

[Tleining]

balance5050 wrote...

Here you go.

The evidence is that he wakes up amongst concrete rubble after just being in the middle of this:

Also, the white light "dream transition effect is very telling that the ending could be a combination of a dream and being somehow mentally linked to some reaper somehow.
 
Also, look at Shepards eyes when he chooses either control or synthesize
 

waking up in concrete Rubble: Plothole, we have a lot of those.
"could be" is not proof. It's open to Interpretation.
 i hate the eye-proof. Shepard is partly Synthetic, the Eyes are definitely synthetic. Sarens eyes were synthetic as well. The Cybernetic upgrades were Part of the Character.
Amanda Kenson was indoctrinated, her eyes, aside from the Harby-control, looked normal.
Benezia had normal eyes.
So if TIMs eyes are an indication of Indoctrination, shouldn't it apply to everyone who is indoctrinated?

[dreman9999]

Tleining wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

1. Do you have any proof that anything after the reaper cut down Shepard really happen?
2.
Indoctrinated People hear Whispers: Fact
Every Person who hears Whispers in their Dreams is Indoctrinated: Assumption 
Shepard spent years near reaper tech:Fact
Shepard was hit by an indoctrination feild on arrival strong enough for him to see visions and voices:fact.
Indoctrintion doesn't go away:Fact
Indoctrination is subtle:fact
Indoctrination can be builded up over tiem :fact(Saren)
Shepard had strang dreams months after being hit by the indoctrination feild from object rho:FACT
Reapers can effect dreams :Fact.

1. You mean aside from the Fact that Bioware is expanding on the Endings so IT seems out?
I prefer the Indoctrination Theory. But right now i doubt that the Bioware devs were smart enough to include something like that

Over the course of several Months, Shepard spend some Minutes near Reaper Tech. (Plus 2 optional hours)
Again, Indoctrination Field is what you make of it. There are no Visions and Voices. Shepard sees Kenson with glowing eyes, maybe being controlled by Harby
It can go away under certain circumstances (Thorian). Oh, Shepard was exposed to that as well
Can be subtle. But everyone who was indoctrinated was pretty obvious about it, and they were aware that they were talking to the Reapers. They just assumed the Reapers were benevolent.
Saren was inside Sovereign and slowly indoctrinated. He studied it. Shepard was only inside a Reaper for ...30 Minutes?
The Indoctrination Field is not a Fact. Shepard being exposed to Object Rho is not a Fact.

1. I like a link to that. They were asked directly in there face and stated that they are no commenting if it's true or not.
2. Those missions did not last not 
Minutes ...This from ME1 to the arriaval...and in arrival he's by the object for 2 days...
Also, you not near the thorian long enough or an equal enough time of the vasinaty to how much you are to reaper tech to be effected.

[balance5050]

 
I don't need to prove anything, I can simply provide alternate explainations for the things you provide as "proof" what it presented to us buy the writers is true-by-default if you want to assume trickery, thats fine. If you want to state it's true then you have the burden of proof and your proof is flimsy and circumstantial. As I've illustrated, there are plenty of explainations that do not require a "super secret decoder ring ending"

[/quote]

Here you go.

The evidence is that he wakes up amongst concrete rubble after just being in the middle of this:

  

 

Also, the white light "dream transition effect is very telling that the ending could be a combination of a dream and being somehow mentally linked to some reaper somehow.


Dreams
http://desmond.image...jpg&res=landing

  
Shepard in Geth consensus



The ending

  

Also, look at Shepards eyes when he chooses either control or synthesize

 


Reposting for justice

Modifié par balance5050, 17 avril 2012 - 03:50 .

[dreman9999]

thinicer wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

thinicer wrote...

I don't know which is worse to be honest with you: the actual endings we got, or the idea that all of it was some indoctrinated hallucination. The actual endings were examples of lazy writing and game development, and the IT assumes the developers were trying to trick us and be clever.

So how is the IT any better? It still results in a highly unsatisfying ending to a memorable story. The only reason the IT gained traction was because desperate fanboys, upset over the endings, tried desperately make sense out of them by looking for things that aren't actually there and evident. The IT presumes that, eventually, Bioware will release new and totally different endings to the game. There are going to be a lot of disappointed people.

It's not going to happen, and Bioware has already come out and said that the endings are going to stand. Time to let it go.

Again, nice eveidence you have presented.

You provide no evidence, just wild, speculation. The IT relies solely on the premise that Bioware will bring out completely new endings for ME3, and this is not going to happen. They have already said as such - the endings are going to stand, just expanded upon.

Honestly, I don't know why so many fans are still clinging to this theory. They are overthinking the endings far more than Bioware did.

But there is fact supporting IT..
http://social.biowar...75/blog/212630/ 

Modifié par dreman9999, 17 avril 2012 - 03:50 .

[Mobius-Silent]

balance5050 wrote...
The evidence is that he wakes up amongst concrete rubble after just being in the middle of this:

The Presidium uses concrete, the cables, in the breath scene are identical to the cables in the processing room below Shepard, the explosion you show dies down _in the same video_ and shows the Citadel tower and the Presidium ring intact. Conclusion: Shepard was blown down the hole into the body of the Citadel tower by the initial little boom and shielded from the big band by the body of the Citadel.
- not proof

balance5050 wrote.. 
Also, the white light "dream transition effect is very telling that the ending could be a combination of a dream and being somehow mentally linked to some reaper somehow.

Generic whiteout FX reuse, perfectly normal in game development (notice how Shep keeps changing weapon during cutscenes, it's because its easier and quicker)
-not proof

balance5050 wrote..  
Also, look at Shepards eyes when he chooses either control or synthesize

So? Edi has the same eye structure, TIM has had those implants for ages we have no reason to assume they mean anything. Unless you've already bought into the IT bandwagon. Hence, its proof because of other stuff we say is proof
-not proof

Modifié par Mobius-Silent, 17 avril 2012 - 03:50 .

[Gogzilla]

The way people are arguing against IT baffles my mind.

Debating the nature of indoctrination even though we have 3 games , books, comics and codex that talk about it with reasonable depth.

TIM is using indoctrination tech, he has been messing with it since the first contact war.
The oily black tendrils on the edges of the when he shows up on the citadel, those are not biotic fields, that is not some new tech he pulled out of his ass that is a direct follow up to what was reference to on sanctuary. If those are not most obvious indoctrination tags i don't know what is.

honestly

Surely the most obvious question is why indoctrinate Shepard at all ?
(S)he was half dead at the end anyway, IT or Not. (S)he got messed up bad, by taking a lazor to the face, why the further if any indoctrination at that point ?

Honestly there have to be better questions to ask regarding IT , other than debating the semantics of indoctrination, all the critique i have read so far is just mind numbing.

[thinicer]

dreman9999 wrote...

thinicer wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

thinicer wrote...

I don't know which is worse to be honest with you: the actual endings we got, or the idea that all of it was some indoctrinated hallucination. The actual endings were examples of lazy writing and game development, and the IT assumes the developers were trying to trick us and be clever.

So how is the IT any better? It still results in a highly unsatisfying ending to a memorable story. The only reason the IT gained traction was because desperate fanboys, upset over the endings, tried desperately make sense out of them by looking for things that aren't actually there and evident. The IT presumes that, eventually, Bioware will release new and totally different endings to the game. There are going to be a lot of disappointed people.

It's not going to happen, and Bioware has already come out and said that the endings are going to stand. Time to let it go.

Again, nice eveidence you have presented.

You provide no evidence, just wild, speculation. The IT relies solely on the premise that Bioware will bring out completely new endings for ME3, and this is not going to happen. They have already said as such - the endings are going to stand, just expanded upon.

Honestly, I don't know why so many fans are still clinging to this theory. They are overthinking the endings far more than Bioware did.

But there is fact supporting IT..
http://social.biowar...75/blog/212630/ 

These aren't facts - just speculation that Shepard is indoctrinated, and this speculation only exists because the endings are just so terribly disappointing. Honestly, IT is really lame - if that's truly what Bioware intended, that does not make me any happier. It's a really lame idea.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

balance5050 wrote...

jijeebo wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

thinicer wrote...

I don't know which is worse to be honest with you: the actual endings we got, or the idea that all of it was some indoctrinated hallucination. The actual endings were examples of lazy writing and game development, and the IT assumes the developers were trying to trick us and be clever.

So how is the IT any better? It still results in a highly unsatisfying ending to a memorable story. The only reason the IT gained traction was because desperate fanboys, upset over the endings, tried desperately make sense out of them by looking for things that aren't actually there and evident. The IT presumes that, eventually, Bioware will release new and totally different endings to the game. There are going to be a lot of disappointed people.

It's not going to happen, and Bioware has already come out and said that the endings are going to stand. Time to let it go.

Again, nice eveidence you have presented.

They have evidence... The part where Bioware said the endings weren't changing from what they are.

Right, just "extending" and "clarifying" 

If the indoctrination theory is true then we need a new showdown with TIM, along with extra content and gameplay since the war is not over.

Bioware has said that they will only extend on the current ending, if IT is true then it is a completely new and different ending.

[dreman9999]

jijeebo wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

thinicer wrote...

I don't know which is worse to be honest with you: the actual endings we got, or the idea that all of it was some indoctrinated hallucination. The actual endings were examples of lazy writing and game development, and the IT assumes the developers were trying to trick us and be clever.

So how is the IT any better? It still results in a highly unsatisfying ending to a memorable story. The only reason the IT gained traction was because desperate fanboys, upset over the endings, tried desperately make sense out of them by looking for things that aren't actually there and evident. The IT presumes that, eventually, Bioware will release new and totally different endings to the game. There are going to be a lot of disappointed people.

It's not going to happen, and Bioware has already come out and said that the endings are going to stand. Time to let it go.

Again, nice eveidence you have presented.

They have evidence... The part where Bioware said the endings weren't changing from what they are.

Why do people not understand that for IT to work, BW can't change the ending...They just have to add more on to it.

[jijeebo]

balance5050 wrote...

jijeebo wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

thinicer wrote...

I don't know which is worse to be honest with you: the actual endings we got, or the idea that all of it was some indoctrinated hallucination. The actual endings were examples of lazy writing and game development, and the IT assumes the developers were trying to trick us and be clever.

So how is the IT any better? It still results in a highly unsatisfying ending to a memorable story. The only reason the IT gained traction was because desperate fanboys, upset over the endings, tried desperately make sense out of them by looking for things that aren't actually there and evident. The IT presumes that, eventually, Bioware will release new and totally different endings to the game. There are going to be a lot of disappointed people.

It's not going to happen, and Bioware has already come out and said that the endings are going to stand. Time to let it go.

Again, nice eveidence you have presented.

They have evidence... The part where Bioware said the endings weren't changing from what they are.

Right, just "extending" and "clarifying" 

...I do believe that Bioware mean exactly what they said with this, but I can't resist a wink.

[dreman9999]

Lizardviking wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

jijeebo wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

thinicer wrote...

I don't know which is worse to be honest with you: the actual endings we got, or the idea that all of it was some indoctrinated hallucination. The actual endings were examples of lazy writing and game development, and the IT assumes the developers were trying to trick us and be clever.

So how is the IT any better? It still results in a highly unsatisfying ending to a memorable story. The only reason the IT gained traction was because desperate fanboys, upset over the endings, tried desperately make sense out of them by looking for things that aren't actually there and evident. The IT presumes that, eventually, Bioware will release new and totally different endings to the game. There are going to be a lot of disappointed people.

It's not going to happen, and Bioware has already come out and said that the endings are going to stand. Time to let it go.

Again, nice eveidence you have presented.

They have evidence... The part where Bioware said the endings weren't changing from what they are.

Right, just "extending" and "clarifying" 

If the indoctrination theory is true then we need a new showdown with TIM, along with extra content and gameplay since the war is not over.

Bioware has said that they will only extend on the current ending, if IT is true then it is a completely new and different ending.

If IT IS TRUE, bw DON'T NEED TO CHANGE THE CURRENT ENDING...tHEY JUST NEED TO ADD THING ON TO IT.

Modifié par dreman9999, 17 avril 2012 - 03:55 .

[Mobius-Silent]

dreman9999 wrote...
Minutes ...This from ME1 to the arriaval...and in arrival he's by the object for 2 days...
Also, you not near the thorian long enough or an equal enough time of the vasinaty to how much you are to reaper tech to be effected.

He was in the Med bay for 2 days, the last thing said is "take him to the med bay and patch him up". Some distance from the artifact

[jijeebo]

dreman9999 wrote...

jijeebo wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

thinicer wrote...

I don't know which is worse to be honest with you: the actual endings we got, or the idea that all of it was some indoctrinated hallucination. The actual endings were examples of lazy writing and game development, and the IT assumes the developers were trying to trick us and be clever.

So how is the IT any better? It still results in a highly unsatisfying ending to a memorable story. The only reason the IT gained traction was because desperate fanboys, upset over the endings, tried desperately make sense out of them by looking for things that aren't actually there and evident. The IT presumes that, eventually, Bioware will release new and totally different endings to the game. There are going to be a lot of disappointed people.

It's not going to happen, and Bioware has already come out and said that the endings are going to stand. Time to let it go.

Again, nice eveidence you have presented.

They have evidence... The part where Bioware said the endings weren't changing from what they are.

Why do people not understand that for IT to work, BW can't change the ending...They just have to add more on to it.

Making all but the *perfect* ending more or less a CRITICAL FAILURE is most definately changing the ending.

Why don't people understand that?

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

dreman9999 wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

jijeebo wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

thinicer wrote...

I don't know which is worse to be honest with you: the actual endings we got, or the idea that all of it was some indoctrinated hallucination. The actual endings were examples of lazy writing and game development, and the IT assumes the developers were trying to trick us and be clever.

So how is the IT any better? It still results in a highly unsatisfying ending to a memorable story. The only reason the IT gained traction was because desperate fanboys, upset over the endings, tried desperately make sense out of them by looking for things that aren't actually there and evident. The IT presumes that, eventually, Bioware will release new and totally different endings to the game. There are going to be a lot of disappointed people.

It's not going to happen, and Bioware has already come out and said that the endings are going to stand. Time to let it go.

Again, nice eveidence you have presented.

They have evidence... The part where Bioware said the endings weren't changing from what they are.

Right, just "extending" and "clarifying" 

If the indoctrination theory is true then we need a new showdown with TIM, along with extra content and gameplay since the war is not over.

Bioware has said that they will only extend on the current ending, if IT is true then it is a completely new and different ending.

If IT IS TRUE, bw DON'T NEED TO CHANGE THE CURRENT ENDING...tHEY JUST NEED TO ADD THING ON TO IT.

If IT is true then we will have to beat the Reapers a different way, likely with different end choices. Meaning that we will have a new different ending than the one we had.

[balance5050]

Mobius-Silent wrote...

balance5050 wrote...
The evidence is that he wakes up amongst concrete rubble after just being in the middle of this:

The Presidium uses concrete, the cables, in the breath scene are identical to the cables in the processing room below Shepard, the explosion you show dies down _in the same video_ and shows the Citadel tower and the Presidium ring intact. Conclusion: Shepard was blown down the hole into the body of the Citadel tower by the initial little boom and shielded from the big band by the body of the Citadel.
- not proof

balance5050 wrote.. 
Also, the white light "dream transition effect is very telling that the ending could be a combination of a dream and being somehow mentally linked to some reaper somehow.

Generic whiteout FX reuse, perfectly normal in game development (notice how Shep keeps changing weapon during cutscenes, it's because its easier and quicker)
-not proof

balance5050 wrote..  
Also, look at Shepards eyes when he chooses either control or synthesize

So? Edi has the same eye structure, TIM has had those implants for ages we have no reason to assume they mean anything. Unless you've already bought into the IT bandwagon. Hence, its proof because of other stuff we say is proof
-not proof

How did Shep get to the Presidium? 
If it's cable it has its own associations tied to it. They are NOT only found on the citadel. They are ubiquitous where there are reapers, its possible there aren't any on the route to the beam, but you weren't actually wearing those N7 tags while talking to the catalyst.

That "white effect" is a "dream transition" always used in 3's;);)

When Shep is renegade we see that his eye patterns are different from TIM's, the dots are inverted. EDI's eye's are different as well becaused they dont have the "blue glow" detail.

And guess what, those eyes AREN'T implants, he got them from reaper tech^_^

[dreman9999]

jijeebo wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

jijeebo wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

thinicer wrote...

I don't know which is worse to be honest with you: the actual endings we got, or the idea that all of it was some indoctrinated hallucination. The actual endings were examples of lazy writing and game development, and the IT assumes the developers were trying to trick us and be clever.

So how is the IT any better? It still results in a highly unsatisfying ending to a memorable story. The only reason the IT gained traction was because desperate fanboys, upset over the endings, tried desperately make sense out of them by looking for things that aren't actually there and evident. The IT presumes that, eventually, Bioware will release new and totally different endings to the game. There are going to be a lot of disappointed people.

It's not going to happen, and Bioware has already come out and said that the endings are going to stand. Time to let it go.

Again, nice eveidence you have presented.

They have evidence... The part where Bioware said the endings weren't changing from what they are.

Right, just "extending" and "clarifying" 

...I do believe that Bioware mean exactly what they said with this, but I can't resist a wink.

They sure shot down IT at PAX...After what they said, no way can someone be confused to that that IT IS FALSE....They so clear stated it's not real after how they made it bluntly clearthat it's not real.....
.../sarcasum

[Mobius-Silent]

dreman9999 wrote...
]If IT IS TRUE, bw DON'T NEED TO CHANGE THE CURRENT ENDING...tHEY JUST NEED TO ADD THING ON TO IT.

Yes a completely new ending where we defeat the reapers.

Also, I'll bet someone who picked Synthesis or Control and was happy with it will view thet "addition" of IT as a change to their ending.

IT changes the _meaning_ of the ending and Bioware has commited to not doing that. they just want to avoid driving the IT'ers into the arms of RetakeME for as long as they can.