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[Baihu1983]

[gelgoog]

 Thanks, I was wondering when he'll make this video. 

[Urzon]

I really enjoyed the video. The very beginning of it, when he is describing the game made me laugh. I agreed with most of his points.

The Arishok being the best antagonist (I wouldn't call him a true villian). I can understand why people didn't understand him, and they just wrote him off as a fanatic. He was completly different from what we are use to as the "bad guy". He was totally alien, and he threw people for a loop. I personally liked him because he was so unique.

I could understand why Meredith did the things she did, up until the Chantry bombing. They threw that Idol in there and screwed up her charater. Characters going insane = them lacking any true motives. All of what they do is simply written off because of that.

Anders bombing the Chantry happened to quickly. I could maybe understood it, but it happened so fast. All I could think about when he asked if i could help him is, "WTH. Is he serious?". More foreshadowing would have been nice on that.

Key thing to take away from this (which i'm sure Bioware has heard millions of times before), is wait until the game is done before they release it. Not passible done. DONE done. They write wonderfully epic stories. What DA2 suffered from was the lack of time needed to fully flesh it out.

Modifié par Urzon, 17 avril 2012 - 12:35 .

[Baihu1983]

Sadly i do think that is slightly out of their hands now and more a case of EA wants the game out by a certin date no matter what.

[LolaLei]

Yay! He finally made it!

[Axalon]

I agree that the Arishok should've been given more time. Heck, making the game just about the Qunari would've worked just as well, if not better, than Mages vs. Templars. Vice versa even, focusing on one conflict or the other would've made a stronger story overall.

[Baihu1983]

A little bump cause i know a few people wanted to see this.

[Emzamination]

"If you're like me and you're always right about everything" Thats when I had enough of him. Arrogance

[Baihu1983]

Then his line went right over your head.

[Pallid]

Emzamination wrote...

"If you're like me and you're always right about everything" Thats when I had enough of him. Arrogance

It was a joke.

[Stengahpolis]

Emzamination wrote...

"If you're like me and you're always right about everything" Thats when I had enough of him. Arrogance

Obviously you're not like him.  Boosh.

Anyhoo, he makes some good points but I have to disagree with him about Meredith and the idol.  The idol doesn't make people do things out of the blue.  Rather it enhances what is already there -- see Bartrand's greed or Varrics desire to help his brother.   It uses that seed of passion, that thing that has the potential to overrule that person's judement and brings it to the fore in order to push them to do terrible things in order to achieve that thing.  Meredith was already a religous zealot who belived all mages should be locked away and that blood mages should be put tothe sword.  She might have already thought all mages were secretly blood mages; givent he amount of then in Kirkwall, it's certainly believable if she did.  The idol bought that paranoia full out and turned off that little voice in her head that said, 'don't commit mass murder'.

[keesio74]

Urzon wrote...

Anders bombing the Chantry happened to quickly. I could maybe understood it, but it happened so fast. All I could think about when he asked if i could help him is, "WTH. Is he serious?". More foreshadowing would have been nice on that.

Remember that 3 years passed from act 2 and act 3. I assume during that time you have minimal contact with Anders and who knows what kinds of experiences he had to make him more radical. So it was a gradual progression. It's just that we didn't see it "on screen".

[macrocarl]

I think he thinks things through, but one thing I don't agree with is his aversion to crazy plot twists out of no where. In both ME3 and DA2 both parts he found breaking the narrative I found to be very emotional and surprising.

[Vincent Laww]

I would have preferred it the Arishok was last boss encounter. Admittedly, I was intrigued by Qunari as a whole they vastly differed from original archetypes which dubeaued in DAO. I think the Qunari would be more formidable in last encounter. They completely subjugate their mages, and if they applied their methods to the Kirkwall Mages. For example, binding them. That would more extremist than self righteous, amoral, Templars. Who tranquilise Mages, and turn them to Blood Magic. Anyway, I personally felt the whole Mage, and Templar storyline had already been show cased. Meredith was just another crazy zealot, with a powerful demonic laden artifact. Anders behavior seemed a bit sporadic. Reviewing that massive ghost buster explosion, didn't seem like it was necessary. I personally liked this guy's so called review.

Modifié par Vincent Laww, 30 avril 2012 - 03:55 .

[Sacred_Fantasy]

Well... at least we know there's someone else other than Qunari capable enough to create high tech very small atomic bomb. The mages could benefit from Anders' technology to develop ballista's projected nuclear bomb, invade Thedas, mind control every non-mages, strip them of every right and enslave them. Isn't that what Anders wanted?

[Urzon]

Sacred_Fantasy wrote...

Well... at least we know there's someone else other than Qunari capable enough to create high tech very small atomic bomb. The mages could benefit from Anders' technology to develop ballista's projected nuclear bomb, invade Thedas, mind control every non-mages, strip them of every right and enslave them. Isn't that what Anders wanted?

Unless Anders lied about it as well, the recipe for the bomb was Tevinter in origin. Though I doubt the bomb is as simple to make as some people think, you can't just throw in the ingredients into a pot with a spark of magic to cause such destruction. If the bomb was that simple to make, the Imperium would have wiped the Qunari off the face of Thedas long ago.

[Reznore57]

I mostly agree with him except for Anders.How the chantry exploded is not the point.
I think what's important is why it happened.How you deal with having someone who can be your friend turned into a terrorist and how you deal with the aftermath of the explosion.
If you cared about Anders as a character read his codex , you can see as the years went by , he's losing it.He became paranoid , obsessed still he's a nice guy who live in poverty , healing people in need.He's no monster ; just a human who reach a breaking point.

You had a lot of option then ,agree with his act , not agree with it and kill him or spare him.
It was a heartbreaking moment for me , how to deal with a friend who seems fragile but dangerous?How can i spare him and not agree at all with his actions.etc...

[Kahninovre]

I agreed with everything apart from the bits about Anders.
Wish they would get the awakening voice actor for him (if it's the same person then i am dissapointed)

[Lamepro]

Anders was possess by Justice after years together developing the same hate for Templar to took its toll.

[Sacred_Fantasy]

Reznore57 wrote...
If you cared about Anders as a character read his codex , you can see as the years went by , he's losing it.He became paranoid , obsessed still he's a nice guy who live in poverty , healing people in need.He's no monster ; just a human who reach a breaking point.

He knew he could not control it. He should have ask for help. I don't know. Maybe he should return to First Enchanter Irving in Ferelden? or consult The Warden Amell or Avernus ( If they're still alive )? And yet he persist to bomb the Chantry with innocent people in it. Did he ever think about those innocent women and children in the chantry? Did he aware that he could have killed Sebastian had Sebastian wasn't with Hawke at that day? Did he ever think about those mages who want to study and understand magic legally? Did he ever think about those mages who live happily in the Circle? The elven apprentice who want to proof to his clan? A dwarven girl who came to surface just to study magic even though she knew she could not cast magic? etc... He is no monster. He is just a human who never think of other but his own selfishness. 

Reznore57 wrote...

You had a lot of option then ,agree with his act , not agree with it and kill him or spare him.
It was a heartbreaking moment for me , how to deal with a friend who seems fragile but dangerous?How can i spare him and not agree at all with his actions.etc...

There is no other way. He took innocent lifes. He took the right to live from others who never did any wrong to him. He must pay it with his own life.  .

Modifié par Sacred_Fantasy, 01 mai 2012 - 12:37 .

[Reznore57]

That's why i think the Anders part is well done^^.Even thought i thought he deserves death for his action , i couldn't do it.
I'm not trying to debate if it's right or wrong , just his character and actions rise a lot of moral question.
That's where i disagree with the video guy ,how he suceed to blow up the chantry is irrelevant.
I think Anders is better developped than Meredith for example.But both of them used "explosive " ways to deal with their inner demons.