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And your still picking the options without reading them. And I know you aren't reading them since the paraphrasing couldn't be more clear...and then it gives two more options to back out of it which is more then I could say for the other romances *cough*Liara*cough*. And again, it's your own fault because you were careless. You being careless and not reading the dialog choices does not make this a ninja. Ninjas are precise and aren't about accidentals. 

I mean, come on. They removed all but two choices and neither one has any ambiguity in it. 


Sorry but you've got TWO chances to back out of a relationship with Liara in ME3 if that relationship was carried over from ME1 and ME2. (In fact ME2's LOtSB DLC gives you an additional chance to break up with her and no way to romance her if you haven't before.) If you have never romanced Liara before then you have only ONE conversation choice to get you into a relationship with her. The dialog choice is: "Or more than friends." Sorry, but she doesn't ninjamance you.

I don't know how anyone could claim she does this. You'd have to blindly click crap without reading it to end up romancing her. Which is your point. I don't know how you missed this.

I confess; I did misspeak without actually playing through her romance fully. 

But you did bring up an interesting point. That LIaras romance is just as much as a ninjamance as Cortezs...if you aren't reading your dialog choices. ;)

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that part literally had me in tears, I was laughing so hard.

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Naw. For me it was Kaidan. I easily told Steve I enjoyed the view from the bar. Kaidan? Asked me out to a steak dinner and I flatly denied him. Then, he told me it was "awkward". Ya think?

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MACharlie1 wrote...

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And your still picking the options without reading them. And I know you aren't reading them since the paraphrasing couldn't be more clear...and then it gives two more options to back out of it which is more then I could say for the other romances *cough*Liara*cough*. And again, it's your own fault because you were careless. You being careless and not reading the dialog choices does not make this a ninja. Ninjas are precise and aren't about accidentals. 

I mean, come on. They removed all but two choices and neither one has any ambiguity in it. 


Sorry but you've got TWO chances to back out of a relationship with Liara in ME3 if that relationship was carried over from ME1 and ME2. (In fact ME2's LOtSB DLC gives you an additional chance to break up with her and no way to romance her if you haven't before.) If you have never romanced Liara before then you have only ONE conversation choice to get you into a relationship with her. The dialog choice is: "Or more than friends." Sorry, but she doesn't ninjamance you.

I don't know how anyone could claim she does this. You'd have to blindly click crap without reading it to end up romancing her. Which is your point. I don't know how you missed this.

I confess; I did misspeak without actually playing through her romance fully. 

But you did bring up an interesting point. That LIaras romance is just as much as a ninjamance as Cortezs...if you aren't reading your dialog choices. ;)


I specifically created saves before talking to Cortez to ensure I didn't get ninjamanced. Though I don't believe that ninjamancing really exists in any of the three games. But there is some variance between all three games and how they handle relationships. So I was always very careful the first time I played ME3. As I progressed through Steve's conversations I realized that the relationship options were so painfully obvious that you had to click wildly without reading anything to romance him.

With Mass Effect in general I'm very careful relationship wise. You have to be a little careful with romances in ME1 and ME2. I won't deny that. I wouldn't call it ninjamancing exactly, and even if you really could call it that, you still get plenty of chances to back out of any relationship. The trickiest ones are Ashley and Miranda in ME1 and ME2 respectively. Some people claim that they got ninjamanced by Liara in ME1, which I don't think is the case. It was obvious there. She will always acknowledge existing romances and tell you she won't come between you and the other party. You have to specifically tell her you aren't involved with someone else and choose to express mutual atraction to her.

The only difference between Liara and ANY other character which is romancable is that she ALWAYS has an attraction to Shepard no matter what. Other than cheating on her, there is no way to prevent her from being interested.

When I play ME1 I always trigger the romance sub-plot with Ashley, but you get several chances to back out of that one even before you get to the confrontation stage between her and Liara. I am uncertain of the precise trigger for this but I'm pretty sure it's how you respond to her comment about tinfoil mini-skirts and wanting dinner first when talking to Kaiden and Ashley on the Citadel. I like her response when I choose the option I believe triggers the romance sub-plot. I also find it entertaining to listen to how she bashes Liara and acts like an angry high school girl. Terminating the relationship is also very easy to do as you can do it virtually anytime. Especialy after she starts her Liara bashing.

So that's never an issue really. Miranda as a lock in in ME2 is the trickier one. Even then it's fairly easy to avoid if you pay close attention. But that's really the only one where you can get locked in easily as far as I know. Now ME3 of course has no confrontations and seems to end a relationship if you even try to romance more than one person. The newer one seems to take priority. I don't like this mechanic, but on the bright side all the romances and their dialog trees are easy as hell to spot and avoid. So as long as you aren't trying to be a cheating bastard (which just backfires on you in this game) then it's not really a problem. I found it easy to stay faithful to Liara in all three games. It wasn't a problem to let her know she was the one I wanted in each game, and it was easy to avoid giving the wrong idea to anyone else.

So I'm going to go out on a limb and argue that a 5th grade reading comprehension level is sufficient to allow you to avoid romancing parties you didn't intend to romance in all three games. Ninjamancing only happens to people who skip dialog, don't read all their choices or don't pay attention to what they are doing in the game.

Modifié par Dead_Meat357, 17 avril 2012 - 09:08 .


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I was afraid to get ninjamanced by Ashley!

Being a good friend, offering a conforting hug once in a while, making her laugh while she's hung over... I sure hope I didn't screw up my thing with Liara. The Asari won't talk to me anymore :(

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Daennikus wrote...

I was afraid to get ninjamanced by Ashley!

Being a good friend, offering a conforting hug once in a while, making her laugh while she's hung over... I sure hope I didn't screw up my thing with Liara. The Asari won't talk to me anymore :(


There is nothing to worry about with her. Even giving her gifts in the hospital won't allow you to be ninjamanced. The dialog is very obvious. And with regard to Ashley, I never even had a dialog option to romance her during my full paragon playtrhough. If you are in an existing romance, I don't think you can romance Ashley at all starting in ME3.

And on the Presidium, Liara will appear in the court yard after the Cerberus attack on the Citadel. She will not talk to you again until you receive an E-Mail from her asking you to meet her there. Then you confirm your relationship for the final time. If you haven't seen / heard that dialog I'll warn you that it's scary at first. It will sound like your friend zoned, but you aren't. I think she's trying to develop a sense of humor based on how she sounds. The problem is Liara isn't very funny. That's the one thing I can say that's negative about her.

On that one you really have to listen to how she says what she says, rather than what she actually says. In any case the dialog to make your point about being interested in continuing the relationship with her is obvious as hell.

Modifié par Dead_Meat357, 17 avril 2012 - 09:20 .


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If you're playing femshep he's quite nice guy.

Just sayin'

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It's so easy to avoid Cortez. Just say you're into women. Not even hard.

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BatmanPWNS wrote...

It's so easy to avoid Cortez. Just say you're into women. Not even hard.


I thought the dialog choice: "I'll be watching the ladies." was very clearly the right one vs. "I'm eye candy too." Not remotely difficult to understand or see.

Modifié par Dead_Meat357, 17 avril 2012 - 09:22 .


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Cortez: Hey Shepard, how's your day?

Choices: (Good!) (Bad!) (Let me show you! [get on knees])

Ahhh I'm being ninjamanced!! >.>

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Dead_Meat357 wrote...

BatmanPWNS wrote...

It's so easy to avoid Cortez. Just say you're into women. Not even hard.


I thought the dialog choice: "I'll be watching the ladies." was very clearly the right one vs. "I'm eye candy too." Not remotely difficult to understand or see.


Moral of the story:  Look at your dialogue options before picking them.  Just because your playing paragon doesn't mean you need to automatically pick top right.

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The problem is that your FIRST time through, every dialogue option EXCEPT these 3 choices that lock you in, are you being "friendly" with Cortez. See, that's the problem. Without a little heart icon next to a dialogue option, you are left guessing "now is this a choice that will lead into a gay romance or not?". I mean, saying something like "Go to the Citadel to take a break, I will meet you there" could easily mean that you want to hook up with him.

When you start calling people idiots because they didn't know their first time through which "magical 3 choices" locked in a gay romance, you are both naive and not a critical thinker when it comes to the dialogue options.

This being said, if you happened to take the risk and walk through the minefield of "friendly" options with Cortez (I didn't. Like the OP said, I just stayed away from him because I didn't want to risk it) then when you get to all 3 of those options, just pick the right one that you want, and voila, you don't have to worry about him "ninjamancing" you.

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darthclide wrote...

The problem is that your FIRST time through, every dialogue option EXCEPT these 3 choices that lock you in, are you being "friendly" with Cortez. See, that's the problem. Without a little heart icon next to a dialogue option, you are left guessing "now is this a choice that will lead into a gay romance or not?". I mean, saying something like "Go to the Citadel to take a break, I will meet you there" could easily mean that you want to hook up with him.

When you start calling people idiots because they didn't know their first time through which "magical 3 choices" locked in a gay romance, you are both naive and not a critical thinker when it comes to the dialogue options.

This being said, if you happened to take the risk and walk through the minefield of "friendly" options with Cortez (I didn't. Like the OP said, I just stayed away from him because I didn't want to risk it) then when you get to all 3 of those options, just pick the right one that you want, and voila, you don't have to worry about him "ninjamancing" you.


You know it's funny. BioWare did a really good job avoiding ninjamancing with all the possible love interests in ME3, but their track record up until now has been so horrible (I was just trying to be nice, Jack!) that everyone was terrified of it going into the game.

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I always renegade him. Tough ****, he's dead now. What do you want me to do about it?

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As a character, I liked Cortez. I thought that Bioware did a good job and showing his sexual preference in a very understated, realistic, and tasteful manner. His backstory about losing his spouse makes me respect him more as a character.

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t_skwerl wrote...

Naw. For me it was Kaidan. I easily told Steve I enjoyed the view from the bar. Kaidan? Asked me out to a steak dinner and I flatly denied him. Then, he told me it was "awkward". Ya think?


+1 This is an awfully awkward one too... especially when Kaidan knew that I am with Liara, Tali... :pinched: Or is that his way of forcing me to buy him dinner.

As for Cortez, I believe the line that confirms a relationship goes like:

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Cortaz: I enjoy the eye candy on the dance floor.

Shepard:
[Option One]: I AM EYE CANDY TOO
[Option Two]: I will be watching the ladies.
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How can you say that you got ninja-romance when YOU pick that line! It is YOU who intiated the romance!! YOU flirt with him and not the other way round. Anyone who can read will know that that line is flirtatious!

Seriously... how can you complain to something so obvious... tis not like he is Anders from DA2... :P

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darthclide wrote...

The problem is that your FIRST time through, every dialogue option EXCEPT these 3 choices that lock you in, are you being "friendly" with Cortez. See, that's the problem. Without a little heart icon next to a dialogue option, you are left guessing "now is this a choice that will lead into a gay romance or not?". I mean, saying something like "Go to the Citadel to take a break, I will meet you there" could easily mean that you want to hook up with him.

When you start calling people idiots because they didn't know their first time through which "magical 3 choices" locked in a gay romance, you are both naive and not a critical thinker when it comes to the dialogue options.

This being said, if you happened to take the risk and walk through the minefield of "friendly" options with Cortez (I didn't. Like the OP said, I just stayed away from him because I didn't want to risk it) then when you get to all 3 of those options, just pick the right one that you want, and voila, you don't have to worry about him "ninjamancing" you.

If it's your first time playing then everything you just said is irrelevant. You don't know that he is or isn't a romance option at all. The scene your talking about goes like this:


"You should take some time off on the Citadel. Clear your head."
"I don't know know. Maybe." 
(Paragon Option) "Do it For Me."

I can only see that being "romantically inclined" (and if there were heart icons, this would NOT be one) if you are actively thinking about it and are totally paranoid. And truthfully, if your that paranoid, the other option is "Your choice." 

And would you honestly be saying the same thing if this dialog was between MShep and Ashley? Or should I say Traynor just before that shower scene? Why doesn't anyone complain how Traynor blatently hits on FemShep she is in the shower

Modifié par MACharlie1, 18 avril 2012 - 01:10 .


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Why is using BioWare's site so backwards sometimes?

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ashwind wrote...

t_skwerl wrote...

Naw. For me it was Kaidan. I easily told Steve I enjoyed the view from the bar. Kaidan? Asked me out to a steak dinner and I flatly denied him. Then, he told me it was "awkward". Ya think?


+1 This is an awfully awkward one too... especially when Kaidan knew that I am with Liara, Tali... :pinched: Or is that his way of forcing me to buy him dinner.

As for Cortez, I believe the line that confirms a relationship goes like:

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Cortaz: I enjoy the eye candy on the dance floor.

Shepard:
[Option One]: I AM EYE CANDY TOO
[Option Two]: I will be watching the ladies.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 

How can you say that you got ninja-romance when YOU pick that line! It is YOU who intiated the romance!! YOU flirt with him and not the other way round. Anyone who can read will know that that line is flirtatious!

Seriously... how can you complain to something so obvious... tis not like he is Anders from DA2... :P


Actually, the 'eye candy' line doesn't initiate a romance.  Here are the dialogue options for Steve at the bar (if you haven't locked in a romance with anyone yet).

I'm eye candy, too.
I'll be watching the ladies.

Waiting for the right man.
Waiting for the right woman.

(After he asks you to dance with him.)
Okay.
No, thanks.

I want more than friendship. (Obviously locks in the romance.)
You're my friend, too.

If you're locked into a romance, he just says something like "I know you have something going on with 'insert LI's name here'.  At least, that's what he said after I had locked in my Kaidan romance.

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tha good thief wrote...

bennyjammin79 wrote...

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that part literally had me in tears, I was laughing so hard.


Me too, God that was unexpected.

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So many familiar faces having something to complain about gay romances again. Yet they always say "ohh but I have nothing against it, I swear! But but but but but"

Listen up kiddos. GaySheps had to avoid and maneuver through countless sex & relationship offers throughout the entire trilogy, often hidden so deep you could not possibly tell you were picking dialogue options that activated romance (Liara, Ashley in ME1). They were being intimately touched by women against their will (Consort, Gianna, Shiala) and forced to flirt with a woman (Morinth) to complete a major mission. And you have balls to complain about TWO guys in ME3? One who won't say anything unless you literally tell him you like men AND that you want to be with him (Cortez) and the other (Kaidan) who just politely asks if you want to be with him and could not be more respectful when you turn him down, who immediately tells you how he still thinks you're a great friend and whatnot and who you don't have to be rude to in anyway to turn him down. Not to mention that the romance paths of both of them get automatically disabled if you establish/rekindle a romance with someone else already before speaking with them.

Seriously, you people are ridiculous. In their next game, Bioware should implement tons of obnoxious gay guys who will be touching your ass, hitting on you constantly, assume you're already in relationship like Liara does in ME1, who won't know what "NO" means and will get all angry and refuse to speak with you again after you turn them down (Jack). And there should be a mission that will require hitting on a male sexual deviant in order to gain something you need to get better ending. Maybe that would finally teach some of you what "ninjamance" and "showing undesired-gender down your throat" means. 'Cause it seems that the more respectful and easy to avoid gay romances are in Bioware games, the more you whine how "it still bothers me!!!11". This is just becoming pathetic.

Modifié par IsaacShep, 18 avril 2012 - 02:30 .


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IsaacShep wrote...

So many familiar faces having something to complain about gay romances again. Yet they always say "ohh but I have nothing against it, I swear! But but but but but"

Listen up kiddos. GaySheps had to avoid and maneuver through countless sex & relationship offers throughout the entire trilogy, often hidden so deep you could not possibly tell you were picking dialogue options that activated romance (Liara, Ashley in ME1). They were being intimately touched by women against their will (Consort, Gianna, Shiala) and forced to flirt with a woman (Morinth) to complete a major mission. And you have balls to complain about TWO guys in ME3? One who won't say anything unless you literally tell him you like men AND that you want to be with him (Cortez) and the other (Kaidan) who just politely asks if you want to be with him and could not be more respectful when you turn him down, who immediately tells you how he still thinks you're a great friend and whatnot and who you don't have to be rude in anyway to turn down. Not to mention that the romance paths of both of them get automatically disabled if you establish/rekindle a romance with someone else already before speaking with them.

Seriously, you people are ridiculous. In their next game, Bioware should implement tons of obnoxious gay guys who will be touching your ass, hitting on you constantly, assume you're already in relationship like Liara does in ME1, who won't know what "NO" means and will get all angry and refuse to speak with you again after you turn them down (Jack). And there should be a mission that will require hitting on a male sexual deviant in order to gain something that influences the ending. Maybe that would finally teach some of you what "ninjamance" and "showing undesired-gender down your throat" means. 'Cause it seems that the more respectful and easy to avoid gay romances are in Bioware games, the more you whine how "it still bothers me!!!11". This is just becoming pathetic.


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