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[Lamepro]

They would maybe have to kill off Shepard to make another version of Mass Effect.

[Sparbiter]

Another mass effect works just fine without shepard.

The character creation tool is there, have all the dialogue refer to the main player as "commander" instead of Shepard....

Shepard doesn't make this game. Heck, most Shepard's are completely different from the next, anyway.

[Lancane]

Sparbiter wrote...

Another mass effect works just fine without shepard.

The character creation tool is there, have all the dialogue refer to the main player as "commander" instead of Shepard....

Shepard doesn't make this game. Heck, most Shepard's are completely different from the next, anyway.

Complete and utter 'Fail', because while Shepard is not needed to continue the universe, Shepard was paramount to the Mass Effect trilogy for each individual gamer...period. And the simple use of Commander title is lame, childish and doesn't make it as personnal for the gamers, nor does it suffice for the depth of the personalization and conversations known in BioWare games, maybe if the next instalment is a multiplayer shooter with no role playing elements and a total lack of a cohesive storyline...then again it wouldn't be as popular either. 

[Lamepro]

Its Possible Bioware and EA could...

• Make MMO game of Mass Effect.
• Make a First Person Shooter of Mass Effect.
• Make a Single player game of Mass Effect with no Commander Shepard in it!
• Make Mass Effect 4.
• Make more future DLC for Mass Effect 3
• Screw it will make another game (its not going to be Mass Effect.

Any of these choices Bioware and EA makes will effect the outcome of there own buisness to make games or not.

[Lancane]

@Lamepro

You are correct, actually the multiplayer shooter wasn't a bad idea, the way they introduced it and went about is what is bad. Had they released a more fleshed out Mass Effect 3, without all the script cuts and made a standalone multiplayer game, say Mass Effect 3: At War (or something along those lines) they could have made double the money, especially if they crossed over weapons, armor, war assets, squad mates and missions for the SP...they'd have been geniuses - instead they bombed on Mass Effect 3 and tried to cover it up with the multiplayer aspect.

As to the next installment of the series, if they go with an MMORPG they'll lose, if they make a MP Shooter, they'll lose, because a good portion of the fanbase will not be interested. With the current fallout over the game, and despite what was said at Pax East (remember they asked how many was Mass Effect 3 their favorite and no one stood up, that is telling in itself). I don't see Mass Effect 4 being developed without looking at fan insight and following that, especially due to what happened because another failure could see branches on the 'hot-seat'.

As to the future DLC's for Mass Effect 3, after the fan outcry over Dragon Age II they stopped the development of the third major DLC for that title, what has happened thus far could make them do much the same.

I wholly agree with that last sentence as well, what they do next could be vital for the direction of BioWare.

[Brettic]

magnetite wrote...

godlike13 wrote...

LoL, EA owns Bioware so they're not switching publishers.

Oh, my mistake. I thought EA just bought the rights to publish Mass Effect from them.

I actually read a few minutes ago that Bioware has full autonomy on their games. They decide what goes in them. EA just publishes it. They do not have any say in what goes into Mass Effect or other Bioware games.

They are owned by EA, they got bought out, but part of the story is Bioware keeps its autonomy. Unfortunately it doesn't really work that way, even though it's supposed to in theory.

[Sparbiter]

Lancane wrote...

Sparbiter wrote...

Another mass effect works just fine without shepard.

The character creation tool is there, have all the dialogue refer to the main player as "commander" instead of Shepard....

Shepard doesn't make this game. Heck, most Shepard's are completely different from the next, anyway.

Complete and utter 'Fail', because while Shepard is not needed to continue the universe, Shepard was paramount to the Mass Effect trilogy for each individual gamer...period. And the simple use of Commander title is lame, childish and doesn't make it as personnal for the gamers, nor does it suffice for the depth of the personalization and conversations known in BioWare games, maybe if the next instalment is a multiplayer shooter with no role playing elements and a total lack of a cohesive storyline...then again it wouldn't be as popular either. 

But each "Shepard" was unique. I don't argue that the character was massively important to the series; that's obvious. The only thing you are losing in ME4 is the last name. Fans are drawn to the idea of making the main character their own, personalizing him and in many cases creating their own backstories for him/her.

As for needing the name for personalization, well, what's wrong with including an audio list for common names, as is already done in sports games?

I mispoke when I said "Shepard doesn't make the game".... I merely meant that having everyone's main character share the same last name isn't what made people love the series. Many people customize their Shepard's appearance and first name; they are already creating their own character.

Having a new character actually adds to the level of customization if you don't force a last name on them. Otherwise, there isn't a big difference.

[Hellbound107]

If they offer different species in a ME4 they could just offer up a specific name set to each alien. Role playing could also be greatly increased by the new options. Play as a Krogan and most people are intimidated by you, get bonus renegade points. Play an Asari and get hit on all the time. Or even play as a Quarian and have people distrusting you or wondering what you look like under that helmet.

[IdTheDemon]

I want a Morning War game. The protagonist could be one of the first Geth created and how you fight for your right to live.

[Lamepro]

Hellbound107 wrote...

If they offer different species in a ME4 they could just offer up a specific name set to each alien. Role playing could also be greatly increased by the new options. Play as a Krogan and most people are intimidated by you, get bonus renegade points. Play an Asari and get hit on all the time. Or even play as a Quarian and have people distrusting you or wondering what you look like under that helmet.

That would be option 3 and 4( it would lean to option 1). I will have to say I like your concept idea to choose what race and class to play in the game.

[Sayantsi]

One of my big problems with the ending in ME3 - its not just Shepard's arc that ends, BioWare killed of the universe he exists in. No more Geth? No more relays? No more Citadel? Its like the whole IP was just gutted.

Modifié par Sayantsi, 24 avril 2012 - 04:27 .

[RinpocheSchnozberry]

Mass Effect: Noir. It's coming.

[R Rarzy]

whatever the next ME game is, you should be able to pick your playable species.... Human, Turian, Krogan, Asari, etc. They could each have a slightly different origin story like DA:origins.

[All-a-Mort]

Could go two ways to my mind. One is an RTS in the LOTR Battle Middle Earth style games (or Halo Wars for a more credible spin off RTS), or go for MMO. Now I'd think MMO more likely, except that would mean competing against their own product in the Star Wars MMO recently released, so they'd have to wait a good while. Could be years before they do anything honestly...with Multiplayer designed to retain interest in the platform.

Modifié par All-a-Mort, 24 avril 2012 - 04:45 .

[ItsRed]

Hopefully not an MMO. Oh Sh*t I'll give them ideas, forget I said anything.
Seriously though, an MMO would spell the absolute death of the franchise. WoW is the only MMO that has ever truly taken the world by storm. Only a very few amount of MMOs made will survive the test of time, SWToR will not. And a Mass Effect MMO would not.

In all honesty, expect everything we love(d) about Bioware to dissolve and EA to assume direct control. The whole; choices, in depth theme exploration and character driven story ideas might stick around but certainly not in the way we remember them as. Bioware is gone, and they ain't never comin' back.

[Lancane]

Sparbiter wrote...

Lancane wrote...

Sparbiter wrote...

Another mass effect works just fine without shepard.

The character creation tool is there, have all the dialogue refer to the main player as "commander" instead of Shepard....

Shepard doesn't make this game. Heck, most Shepard's are completely different from the next, anyway.

Complete and utter 'Fail', because while Shepard is not needed to continue the universe, Shepard was paramount to the Mass Effect trilogy for each individual gamer...period. And the simple use of Commander title is lame, childish and doesn't make it as personnal for the gamers, nor does it suffice for the depth of the personalization and conversations known in BioWare games, maybe if the next instalment is a multiplayer shooter with no role playing elements and a total lack of a cohesive storyline...then again it wouldn't be as popular either. 

But each "Shepard" was unique. I don't argue that the character was massively important to the series; that's obvious. The only thing you are losing in ME4 is the last name. Fans are drawn to the idea of making the main character their own, personalizing him and in many cases creating their own backstories for him/her.

As for needing the name for personalization, well, what's wrong with including an audio list for common names, as is already done in sports games?

I mispoke when I said "Shepard doesn't make the game".... I merely meant that having everyone's main character share the same last name isn't what made people love the series. Many people customize their Shepard's appearance and first name; they are already creating their own character.

Having a new character actually adds to the level of customization if you don't force a last name on them. Otherwise, there isn't a big difference.

It would still depersonalize it for many gamers, I suppose if they did it right it wouldn't for some - still, to be known around the galaxy as simply Commander, Lieutenant, Sergeant, Major or even Chief? Those titles would be common among the military, who the heck are people talking to. It would also give it a bit of a Halo feel, ME has it's own feel and vibe. And let's face it, at least with the last name people could still change the first and make it more personal, you couldn't do that with random last names and a simple title. 

I'm all for a new character in a new setting in the same universe, but the need of some sort of name that is recognized allows for there to be some personalization especially in regards to verbal communication, like when people are talking or in regards to stories on the news "Oh the Commander", and "This Commander, "And the Commander once again", it really would make it less personal IMHO.

In the fanfic piece I'm writing right now the hero is actually a tank bred human who has the DNA of Commander Shepard and Miranda Lawson as well as that of Randall Ezno (Infiltrator) who is found in stasis almost three thousand years after the events of ME3. The character is simply known as Lawson, now while the character in the story has a first and last name, if I was writing a role playing game I would leave that open and simply use Lawson because it allows for the personalization and open recognition that we're use to. 

[Pappi]

iI'd love to see First Contact and awakrd race relations...ahhh, prequels....

[Deltakarma]

IdTheDemon wrote...

I want a Morning War game. The protagonist could be one of the first Geth created and how you fight for your right to live.

I think Legion was the first. ME3 I think hints at that..... thats what I was getting. Even sounded like it. So playing as Legion? Boss.

But I honestly want a fixed game until thinking of a new one and make my decision on another product.

Modifié par Deltakarma, 24 avril 2012 - 06:11 .

[skate4tacos96]

 I don't like the whole MMO idea. It would make the ME series lose a large portion of their fanbase. I would like to see a future ME game however whether or not it involves Shepard I don't really care. I just really love the games. However I think it would be nice to see and play as Shepard one more time.

[Lancane]

skate4tacos96 wrote...

 I don't like the whole MMO idea. It would make the ME series lose a large portion of their fanbase. I would like to see a future ME game however whether or not it involves Shepard I don't really care. I just really love the games. However I think it would be nice to see and play as Shepard one more time.

And Shepard (no matter the choices made) was a rich, well created character. But I agree that it is time to move on. Mass Effect was his/her trilogy. That is what made the games so epic, like Harry Potter, John Carter, Luke Skywalker, Paul Atreides or even Malcolm Reynolds. And while they are key to their individual stories, the worlds in which they exist are much bigger then themselves and could be continued or have been.  

I would love to see a Mass Effect game where your not simply a human but a hybrid of sorts, and can choose the skills, powers, weapons, shields and ammo which you can master (full control) role playing model. For example, you can choose three tech skills, three bionic powers, three soldier (fighting) skills, one shield or defensive power, two weapons and three ammo types or three weapons and two ammo types. It gives the gamer the ultimate control in creating and establishing their own protagonist. 

[Pappi]

@IdTheDemo that actullay sounds awesome. Would make a good spin off mini game. Like of like what portal is to half-life...

[Yuqi]

There will be a massive shift of perspectives...:innocent:

Modifié par Yuqi, 25 avril 2012 - 10:56 .

[richard_rider]

Sayantsi wrote...

One of my big problems with the ending in ME3 - its not just Shepard's arc that ends, BioWare killed of the universe he exists in. No more Geth? No more relays? No more Citadel? Its like the whole IP was just gutted.

That puts a big damper on a sequel, they would really have to pour their creative juices inorder to re-establish tech, inter-system travel, and before all that, they would have to have a proper ending for 3, otherwise, it would be a house built on a paper foundation.

Prequel would be ok, I suppose, but then they'd just be following the Hollywood thing, and I'm not really sure how the fans would respond to it, MMO would be a terrible idea, look how many people don't play MP, and think that it never should've been there.

Either way, they're on rocky ground right now, they have to appease the masses before they even think about the next installment, otherwise it will fail before it even starts.