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[Mistcrawler]

 I've started to notice that about 30% of my games with random people contain at least one person who walks away from his/her controller at some point and waits for the team to finish the game.  While this was irksome on the silver rounds, it's absolutely infuriating on gold rounds since that 4th person is usually the difference between finishing the round entirely and making it to the 4th wave.  Even worse, since roughly 3/4 of the awards are group achievements, that person who has not fired a single shot nor moved has pretty much profited just as much as you did.

So what I propose is a 2 pronged policy that would make multiplayer better for everyone.
1) Bioware should implement a 5 min AFK policy built into the next patch.  When a player has not moved an inch in 5 minutes, he's booted from the game.  I doubt this would affect anyone else but people who have literally walked away from the game.

2) Scores should reflect the amount of team members.  If there are crazy people out there that want to try beating the game with one or two members (and I know they're out there - god bless them lol), they should get a bigger bonus than squads of 4 members.  And likewise, if someone is booted or leaves from the game just as is starts and you have to beat the game with less members than you planned, you should have that recognized in your credits/achievements at the end as well.  

What do you think?  Personally, I think that's both fair and fun, but maybe I missed/need to add something extra?  

[Dillon79]

this would be great, Would take care of AFK'ers(Atleast ones that don't rubber band their controller) And i couldn't imagine any players having a problem with it that aren't afk. Good idea

[Blue Froman]

Hmm... Yes and no, for instance, the other day, my father fell down and hurt himself while he was half asleep. I immediately drop the controller, and go to help him back into bed, while my game was still running. Once he was back safe in bed, I continued on and finished the match. Yea, it kinda sucked for the rest of the guys who had to pick up the slack, but I'm thankful that I still got rewarded for at least the waves I participated in. Just imagine yourself on the afk end.

[sobbos]

I've stated this before, the credit system is greatly flawed and should be a pool system instead. So say there is a group of 4 people who beat gold together. They should get 70,000+ credits. If two people beat gold together they should get the other two missing players credits, for a total of around 140,000+ credits each.

[Highlord Heian]

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[Tangster]

Nah, more fun would be if you don't move for a wave, then you aren't counted in the next wave's spawn point decisions.

[djshari]

I agree, and to see it from "an AFKers view" I would expect to get booted.
Things come up, I understand, so if it does you shouldn't get mad that you missed out because regardless of the reason you weren't there. And I think 5 mins is pretty generous.

[Wesus]

Q-Q

[REVIVE ME]

So people attempt to 2 man a game that is designed to be for 4 players, deliberately handicapping themselves, and they deserve extra credits?

[iPryde]

I just leave when I notice an AFKer. I'm not gonna let them leech off of me.

[SuperKirbyFan]

 The first thing doesn't really solve much, as the afk'er can just carry their controller with them and move the control stick a bit every few minutes, or simply tie an elastic band to it.

[REVIVE ME]

sobbos wrote...

I've stated this before, the credit system is greatly flawed and should be a pool system instead. So say there is a group of 4 people who beat gold together. They should get 70,000+ credits. If two people beat gold together they should get the other two missing players credits, for a total of around 140,000+ credits each.

Why stop there then? credits can be based the points of each individual player. Just getting further and further from the team system, more into a do everything for yourself mindset that's obviously how co-op multiplayers are designed to work, bioware especially.

[RANDOMvGRENADE]

Blue Froman wrote...

Hmm... Yes and no, for instance, the other day, my father fell down and hurt himself while he was half asleep. I immediately drop the controller, and go to help him back into bed, while my game was still running. Once he was back safe in bed, I continued on and finished the match. Yea, it kinda sucked for the rest of the guys who had to pick up the slack, but I'm thankful that I still got rewarded for at least the waves I participated in. Just imagine yourself on the afk end.

Simple answer?  Nobody cares WHY you are AFK.   Your run is no more important than the others on the team, and your personal situations should have no bearing on the outcome.   The smart move would be to quit out as fast as you can and take care of your dad.  If you are good they will invite you back, as long as you were upfront.

[Bloog2500]

Blue Froman wrote...

Hmm... Yes and no, for instance, the other day, my father fell down and hurt himself while he was half asleep. I immediately drop the controller, and go to help him back into bed, while my game was still running. Once he was back safe in bed, I continued on and finished the match. Yea, it kinda sucked for the rest of the guys who had to pick up the slack, but I'm thankful that I still got rewarded for at least the waves I participated in. Just imagine yourself on the afk end.

While your scenario is unfortunate, it remains that you left your team to fend off for themselves. While it wasn't your fault, you did still leave your team high and dry, and if they were less competent than they were, the fact that you were missing might've made them fail and lose 10-30 mins worth of their time. It's simply taking responsibility for your actions; it wasn't your fault, true, but you still did it. 

But really, how many AFKers have an emergency happen to them in this manner? This scenario is a minority at best. I think it's safe to say that most leechers are just lazy and what free exp/credits. 

[Highlord Heian]

Blue Froman wrote...

Hmm... Yes and no, for instance, the other day, my father fell down and hurt himself while he was half asleep. I immediately drop the controller, and go to help him back into bed, while my game was still running. Once he was back safe in bed, I continued on and finished the match. Yea, it kinda sucked for the rest of the guys who had to pick up the slack, but I'm thankful that I still got rewarded for at least the waves I participated in. Just imagine yourself on the afk end.

There's always an excuse. All afking can be excused by this one questionable example, is that it?

I don't buy it. Leechers are hardly victims and should be removed from the games they're wasting space in. I don't care what your excuse is.

Modifié par Highlord Heian, 17 avril 2012 - 03:45 .

[Core_Commander]

Blue Froman wrote...

Hmm... Yes and no, for instance, the other day, my father fell down and hurt himself while he was half asleep. I immediately drop the controller, and go to help him back into bed, while my game was still running. Once he was back safe in bed, I continued on and finished the match. Yea, it kinda sucked for the rest of the guys who had to pick up the slack, but I'm thankful that I still got rewarded for at least the waves I participated in. Just imagine yourself on the afk end.

This kind of accident would be rare, and at worst would make you lose a round in-game.

Purposeful AFK-ing however is rampant and without any repercussions whatsoever. 

[ForTuchanka]

Five minutes is waaaay too generous IMO. Two minutes is more than enough time for the game to sense an AFKer if he has also not gotten any score increase (not including turrets) as well. Even an infiltrator who never fires a shot during a 4 objective money round still gets points for activating the objectives. If you don't move and don't score any points in that time, the game should boot you after two minutes. The only legitimate reasons for being AFK are a dead battery in a controller (which can be changed within that time). If you've got something more time consuming in real life to deal with, go deal with it AFTER you quit... No one is saying that your disabled father should wait for you to finish your game but simply that you're being inconsiderate to your teammates if you need to be away for longer than 2 minutes. They shouldn't pay a price for your personal issues while you're effectively rewarded for nothing.

[buthane22]

I support this if it's ONLY in public match.
I play in a group where, when one teamate needs to take a call/******/sh*t/other he goes afk in cover and come back after. If it's more than 5 minutes, I don't want him to be kicked.

[Stitch X1]

as the system is right now, if my group (usually 2-3) has someone who is clearly afk for free credits and exp, we just fail on wave 2 start up, only wasted 3 minutes and the leecher does not get rewarded except for about 5k exp, then boot them.... they usually send messages with outragous excuses

Needs to change, hate the leeching.

Quit out if your going to be gone for a few waves, you are wasting space for people to invite others who will actually contribute.

[UKillMeLongTime]

No just add a boot option as they will just tie a rubber band on the controller

so just add a kick once a game starts

[UKillMeLongTime]

ForTuchanka wrote...

Five minutes is waaaay too generous IMO. Two minutes is more than enough time for the game to sense an AFKer if he has also not gotten any score increase (not including turrets) as well. Even an infiltrator who never fires a shot during a 4 objective money round still gets points for activating the objectives. If you don't move and don't score any points in that time, the game should boot you after two minutes. The only legitimate reasons for being AFK are a dead battery in a controller (which can be changed within that time). If you've got something more time consuming in real life to deal with, go deal with it AFTER you quit... No one is saying that your disabled father should wait for you to finish your game but simply that you're being inconsiderate to your teammates if you need to be away for longer than 2 minutes. They shouldn't pay a price for your personal issues while you're effectively rewarded for nothing.

no 2 is not enough for everyone in all situations

i know personally and that's all i need to say

again as I just stated add a vote to boot / kick the user but a timer is not the way to go or if someone has not scored in x minutes and is using a rubber band. Kick them!


i also want to kick a few users without a mic btw. No communication can make you feel a man down or woman down when they run around all rambo and are not a team player. So, KICK is better so let the other three decide what happens. 

Modifié par UKillMeLongTime, 17 avril 2012 - 04:11 .

[inusannonn]

well most of the AFK or AFC people I see are not really away from keyboard or controler.

They are definately there and just move around alittle to avoid hostile targets, avoid shotting anything, avoiding everything and hiding thru all 11 waves avoiding work completely or another common is intentional run up and die to stay down perma and remain dead to avoid working for the exp and galaxy map boost.

So the 5min afk boot is not going to be effective.

A solution that might work would be, if the player contributes absolutely nothing to the teams mission that the player recieves no credits for surviving the mission, no exp for objectives the others had earned, no exp to boost to increase thier N7 rating or characters and no galaxy at war boost.

If you contribute to the team and work you get paid, if you hide and avoid work doing absolutely nothing then you earn absolutely nothing.

Modifié par inusannonn, 17 avril 2012 - 04:16 .

[Tazzmission]

agreed op

i also think a penalty should be put in place for people who do that like a level up loss or something

[Pastorbullfrog]

UKillMeLongTime wrote...

ForTuchanka wrote...

Five minutes is waaaay too generous IMO. Two minutes is more than enough time for the game to sense an AFKer if he has also not gotten any score increase (not including turrets) as well. Even an infiltrator who never fires a shot during a 4 objective money round still gets points for activating the objectives. If you don't move and don't score any points in that time, the game should boot you after two minutes. The only legitimate reasons for being AFK are a dead battery in a controller (which can be changed within that time). If you've got something more time consuming in real life to deal with, go deal with it AFTER you quit... No one is saying that your disabled father should wait for you to finish your game but simply that you're being inconsiderate to your teammates if you need to be away for longer than 2 minutes. They shouldn't pay a price for your personal issues while you're effectively rewarded for nothing.

no 2 is not enough for everyone in all situations

i know personally and that's all i need to say

again as I just stated add a vote to boot / kick the user but a timer is not the way to go or if someone has not scored in x minutes and is using a rubber band. Kick them!


i also want to kick a few users without a mic btw. No communication can make you feel a man down or woman down when they run around all rambo and are not a team player. So, KICK is better so let the other three decide what happens. 

2 minutes is more than enough,  If something's important enough that you need to leave your teammates alone for that long, for WHATEVER reason, it's important enough to be worth the cost of losing a round's worth of credits.

[ForTuchanka]

UKillMeLongTime wrote...

no 2 is not enough for everyone in all situations

i know personally and that's all i need to say

If you're away from the controller for over two minutes, you're significantly inconviencing the rest of the team regardless of your reasons.  I'm not saying they're not valid reasons (going to the bathroom, helping family, answering the door/phone, etc) but that doesn't mean you're not negatively impacting the team's survivability.  Two minutes is enough time.  Five minutes is enough of a period where someone with half a brain can just giggle the controller or shoot a few bullets when they remember to play while leeching and doing other things.  Two minutes means that they'll reasonably forget to do so in the meantime and get booted regardless.