This thread is full of OPs arrogance about him being a real player because he wants pvp.
We need PvP. My blood boils for a pvp mode
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Erosuntzu
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#202
Posté 19 avril 2012 - 05:29
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PvP in this game would be downright stupid. Stasis would be OP. Submission net would be OP. Overload, too. Levitation, Throw, and so on.
And don't get me started on lag and it''s effects on players/weapons.
How can anyone not realise this from the start is behond me.
And don't get me started on lag and it''s effects on players/weapons.
How can anyone not realise this from the start is behond me.
#203
Posté 19 avril 2012 - 05:34
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That's because people like the OP played stun-locking mace rogues in WoW and then stood around in cities bragging about how they are the real players. I largely don't want pvp here because I want the real players to move along.Shadowsword8 wrote...
PvP in this game would be downright stupid. Stasis would be OP. Submission net would be OP. Overload, too. Levitation, Throw, and so on.
And don't get me started on lag and it''s effects on players/weapons.
How can anyone not realise this from the start is behond me.
#204
Posté 19 avril 2012 - 07:11
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In a new Mass Effect game, sure, it could be interesting. Adding it to ME3 though would be broken.
If all players were using the regular classes, powers and guns would be heavily unbalanced. "Oh, you could just reduce damage to players" you say? SMGs and ARs don't do much damage as it is, so making them do even less would make them completely worthless. Powers like Incinerate that can arc and can lock onto targets around corners and behind cover would be broken, not to mention stasis.
The idea of a L4D style of PvP would be interesting but that would cost money to develop. I'm pretty sure that unless Bioware is just sitting on it, the game isn't set up for a person to control the enemy units. If you think that would be an easy fix and you aren't a game programmer, I have to say is ignorance is bliss. A lot of things are harder than they seem when you get down to the code.
Comparing ME to CoD or Battlefield isn't really a fair argument. For one, they are not the same type of game. It's like comparing Mario Kart and Gran Turismo, sure they may both be about racing, but that's where the similarities end. Also, I'm confident that the development of ME3 was more centered on the single player campaign rather than the multiplayer. Games like CoD and Battlefield are the other way around; the multiplayer is where the main focus of development goes.
If all players were using the regular classes, powers and guns would be heavily unbalanced. "Oh, you could just reduce damage to players" you say? SMGs and ARs don't do much damage as it is, so making them do even less would make them completely worthless. Powers like Incinerate that can arc and can lock onto targets around corners and behind cover would be broken, not to mention stasis.
The idea of a L4D style of PvP would be interesting but that would cost money to develop. I'm pretty sure that unless Bioware is just sitting on it, the game isn't set up for a person to control the enemy units. If you think that would be an easy fix and you aren't a game programmer, I have to say is ignorance is bliss. A lot of things are harder than they seem when you get down to the code.
Comparing ME to CoD or Battlefield isn't really a fair argument. For one, they are not the same type of game. It's like comparing Mario Kart and Gran Turismo, sure they may both be about racing, but that's where the similarities end. Also, I'm confident that the development of ME3 was more centered on the single player campaign rather than the multiplayer. Games like CoD and Battlefield are the other way around; the multiplayer is where the main focus of development goes.
#205
Posté 19 avril 2012 - 12:49
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yes i actually do i did a little bit of simple game programming and i am in college getting my degree in electrical engineering which has quite a bit of programming in it so i know how much work goes into it. I am not saying i support ME3 PvP cause i dont but i am saying that there isnt an issue with how to balance the classes IF and I STRESS -> IF <-Quxorda wrote...
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this is a non-issue the main issue is lag they can just have a case statement to separate the class balances for PvP and PvEDevilDoc8404 wrote...
The class balances would be so ridiculously off.... They'd pretty much just have to make a new game. This idea is dead on its feet.
You have no idea how much work and how many man hours would go into balancing these classes and abilties for pvp. It is far from a non-issue and would indeed be the equivlent of making an entirely new game. The only real option would be to water abilities down so heavily that it wouldn't be ME anymore - it would just be a CoD clone in space.
ME3 pvp is an extrordinarily bad idea, ET ont he Atari would be a more playable and pleasing experience.
#207
Posté 19 avril 2012 - 01:34
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I stand behind cover clear across the map. I energy drain you and 1 shot you with my widow.......over and over. and over again.
I hang back behind cover, stasis you, and then unload a carnifex into your noggin.
You're just about to kill a guy when "surprise" I uncloak behind you and 1 shot you with my claymore.
You're being cautious. You are the man popping heads left and right. I charge you from nearly across the map, nova and shotty your face.....game over man, game over!
Now put this altogether at once in a map and what you have is FUBAR.
That wouldn't be fun and it wouldn't be skillfull. People would be literally gibbed left and right. Infiltrator classes and vanguards would have huge advantages. Stasis would be broken.
The dev's would have to radically re-balance all the classes for pvp and then re-balance ALL the weapons for pvp, and even then it would still likely be FUBAR because it wasn't designed to be pvp in the first place.
Just deal with it. The game is better off without pvp mode unless it is completely seperate from singleplayer and cooperative multiplayer. At this stage it's not likely to happen and even if it did the crying and groaning would be epic from all the suck butt players.
I hang back behind cover, stasis you, and then unload a carnifex into your noggin.
You're just about to kill a guy when "surprise" I uncloak behind you and 1 shot you with my claymore.
You're being cautious. You are the man popping heads left and right. I charge you from nearly across the map, nova and shotty your face.....game over man, game over!
Now put this altogether at once in a map and what you have is FUBAR.
That wouldn't be fun and it wouldn't be skillfull. People would be literally gibbed left and right. Infiltrator classes and vanguards would have huge advantages. Stasis would be broken.
The dev's would have to radically re-balance all the classes for pvp and then re-balance ALL the weapons for pvp, and even then it would still likely be FUBAR because it wasn't designed to be pvp in the first place.
Just deal with it. The game is better off without pvp mode unless it is completely seperate from singleplayer and cooperative multiplayer. At this stage it's not likely to happen and even if it did the crying and groaning would be epic from all the suck butt players.
#208
Posté 19 avril 2012 - 01:41
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No.
PvP wouldn't work with powers working they way they do. There would even need to be new maps since the current ones wouldn't work well in pvp and would be prone to a lot of spawn killing.
Maybe a L4D style pvp and by that I mean about a total of 50 AI on the battlefield and 8 players.
25 AI + 4 players on Team A
25 AI + 4 players on Team B
The teams could be either Geth, Reapers, Cerberus, Alliance
Geth players could choose:
Hunters - Low DR, Fast, Tactical Cloak, Hunter Mode, Geth Plasma Shotgun
Pyros - Medium DR, Slow, Fortification (slows player even more), Flamethrower
Rocket Troopers - Medium DR, Medium Speed, Geth Shield Boost, Rocket launcher (on par with carnage)
and the other teams would play out similarly
PvP wouldn't work with powers working they way they do. There would even need to be new maps since the current ones wouldn't work well in pvp and would be prone to a lot of spawn killing.
Maybe a L4D style pvp and by that I mean about a total of 50 AI on the battlefield and 8 players.
25 AI + 4 players on Team A
25 AI + 4 players on Team B
The teams could be either Geth, Reapers, Cerberus, Alliance
Geth players could choose:
Hunters - Low DR, Fast, Tactical Cloak, Hunter Mode, Geth Plasma Shotgun
Pyros - Medium DR, Slow, Fortification (slows player even more), Flamethrower
Rocket Troopers - Medium DR, Medium Speed, Geth Shield Boost, Rocket launcher (on par with carnage)
and the other teams would play out similarly
#209
Posté 19 avril 2012 - 01:54
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No.
The only way for PVP to even have a chance of working would be if PVP was Cerb vs Reaper, Reaper vs Geth, etc. But would even that be fun in the long run? It'd be a poor man's L4D versus mode.
The only way for PVP to even have a chance of working would be if PVP was Cerb vs Reaper, Reaper vs Geth, etc. But would even that be fun in the long run? It'd be a poor man's L4D versus mode.
#210
Posté 19 avril 2012 - 02:03
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No. Way too imbalanced.
Multiplayer in this game is geared towards co-op, not PvP.
Multiplayer in this game is geared towards co-op, not PvP.
#211
Posté 19 avril 2012 - 02:04
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Erosuntzu wrote...
This game needs PvP, Lots of people want PvP. The gameplay just needs some touches. Those who do not want to PvP are the minority only bad players cry so much to not bring pvp. The machine always does the same thing is boring. I need you need we need PvP those who say no, they are indoctrinated. Eclipse vs. Blue Sun vs. Blood pack vs Alliance vs Reaper vs BIOTIC VOLUS GOD they fight each other and have all races weee neeed PvP
First of all, its damn sure not the minority that dislike the idea of PvP mode. And second of all, f*ck you. Not wanting PvP doesn't make you a bad player, I'ma bet money you play CoD or Battlefield, you fit the stereotype.
Mass Effect has always been about working together, especialy in the Multiplayer. Lets keep it that way
#213
Posté 19 avril 2012 - 02:10
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There are 1000+1 pvp games out there already.
Right now, they can get away with just giving us toys. With PVP they'd have to actually balance stuff. It would make the game no fun at all. It would become just another copy of the other 1000 pvp games out there where in the end every character has to be the same.
Though I do like TF2.
Right now, they can get away with just giving us toys. With PVP they'd have to actually balance stuff. It would make the game no fun at all. It would become just another copy of the other 1000 pvp games out there where in the end every character has to be the same.
Though I do like TF2.
#214
Posté 19 avril 2012 - 07:46
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BDelacroix wrote...
There are 1000+1 pvp games out there already.
Right now, they can get away with just giving us toys. With PVP they'd have to actually balance stuff. It would make the game no fun at all. It would become just another copy of the other 1000 pvp games out there where in the end every character has to be the same.
Though I do like TF2.
There are many more games without pvp but nobody remembers them because after playing the story mode people do not care more. Dead Space2 anyone remember that game? Fear3 you remember him? Tomb Raider was that? Etc. .. Everyone keeps talking about the same games that interestingly all are pvp League of Legends, CoD, BF, GoW, Star Craft, WoW, etc. Mass Effect will be a thing of the past few months. Those who do not like pvp are the minority.
Bad Player + PvP = QQ
#216
Posté 19 avril 2012 - 08:56
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Kindly **** off.Erosuntzu wrote...
There are many more games without pvp but nobody remembers them because after playing the story mode people do not care more. Dead Space2 anyone remember that game? Fear3 you remember him? Tomb Raider was that? Etc. .. Everyone keeps talking about the same games that interestingly all are pvp League of Legends, CoD, BF, GoW, Star Craft, WoW, etc. Mass Effect will be a thing of the past few months. Those who do not like pvp are the minority.
Bad Player + PvP = QQ
#217
Posté 19 avril 2012 - 10:24
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Totally love how my logical argument of a post was ignored so people could yell at each other and start a flame war. Adding PVP would HURT the game at all, it would add another dimension to the game and would make multiplayer less repetitive. It wont be added this game for sure as "It wouldn't make sense." But assuming that it would be unbalanced is ignorant and yelling at people for believing it could work and be balanced is just immature.
#218
Posté 19 avril 2012 - 10:30
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Nope, i stated my reasons and i only come here to re-enforce my statement for you PVPers
All that wasted manhours to implemented into PVP would be better spent on fixing bugs, making new content for DLC SP and MP, not PVP
NOPE
you want to PVP, ill PVP u IRL come at me brah
All that wasted manhours to implemented into PVP would be better spent on fixing bugs, making new content for DLC SP and MP, not PVP
NOPE
you want to PVP, ill PVP u IRL come at me brah
#219
Posté 19 avril 2012 - 10:33
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im all for being locked in a stasis bubble for the whole match
#220
Posté 19 avril 2012 - 10:34
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If i want PvP in a Shooter i play Halo
#221
Posté 19 avril 2012 - 10:39
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"unbalanced" "won't work" are not reasons something can't be done, they are delusions. The only thing preventing pvp is the will to implement it by bioware. Single player and co-op already have completely different rule settings and there are no mechanics in the game that can't be changed to accommodate a pvp setting.
Groups of humans always have irrational fear of change that stems from a primitive emotional part of our brain. When this fear manifest itself in the form of a comment on message boards the author is obviously going to dress it up as if its an informed opinion when in reality its just emotional gibberish. Trying to convince this mass of stupidity on BSN that pvp wouldn't ruin the game is a waste of breathe, appeal to bioware instead.
Groups of humans always have irrational fear of change that stems from a primitive emotional part of our brain. When this fear manifest itself in the form of a comment on message boards the author is obviously going to dress it up as if its an informed opinion when in reality its just emotional gibberish. Trying to convince this mass of stupidity on BSN that pvp wouldn't ruin the game is a waste of breathe, appeal to bioware instead.
#222
Posté 19 avril 2012 - 10:46
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Erosuntzu wrote...
This game needs PvP, Lots of people want PvP. The gameplay just needs some touches. Those who do not want to PvP are the minority only bad players cry so much to not bring pvp. The machine always does the same thing is boring. I need you need we need PvP those who say no, they are indoctrinated. Eclipse vs. Blue Sun vs. Blood pack vs Alliance vs Reaper vs BIOTIC VOLUS GOD they fight each other and have all races weee neeed PvP
Whatcha smokin bro?
#223
Posté 19 avril 2012 - 10:52
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I was going to correct him as well, his sentence would make a lot more sense if he replaced "bad" with "stupid". Thinking a business shouldn't add an enourmously popular service to one of their newest and most original products, or atleast test it out is the definition of stupid.iNyxs wrote...
Erosuntzu wrote...
This game needs PvP, Lots of people want PvP. The gameplay just needs some touches. Those who do not want to PvP are the minority only bad players cry so much to not bring pvp. The machine always does the same thing is boring. I need you need we need PvP those who say no, they are indoctrinated. Eclipse vs. Blue Sun vs. Blood pack vs Alliance vs Reaper vs BIOTIC VOLUS GOD they fight each other and have all races weee neeed PvP
Whatcha smokin bro?
#224
Posté 19 avril 2012 - 11:03
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Actually i don't want PVP but just for the Heck of it...
YES! YES! YES!
SCNR
YES! YES! YES!
SCNR
#225
Posté 19 avril 2012 - 11:06
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deaths origin wrote...
yes i actually do i did a little bit of simple game programming and i am in college getting my degree in electrical engineering which has quite a bit of programming in it so i know how much work goes into it. I am not saying i support ME3 PvP cause i dont but i am saying that there isnt an issue with how to balance the classes IF and I STRESS -> IF <-Quxorda wrote...
deaths origin wrote...
this is a non-issue the main issue is lag they can just have a case statement to separate the class balances for PvP and PvEDevilDoc8404 wrote...
The class balances would be so ridiculously off.... They'd pretty much just have to make a new game. This idea is dead on its feet.
You have no idea how much work and how many man hours would go into balancing these classes and abilties for pvp. It is far from a non-issue and would indeed be the equivlent of making an entirely new game. The only real option would be to water abilities down so heavily that it wouldn't be ME anymore - it would just be a CoD clone in space.
ME3 pvp is an extrordinarily bad idea, ET ont he Atari would be a more playable and pleasing experience.
Well the syntax is very simple sure:
if mode = pvp:
1 set of rules
else
the other set of rules
But do you realize how extensive those 2 sets of rules are to develop? Would take months to develop one set. It's not just about putting code together willy-nilly. You have to plan and design the logic and THEN develop and test. This is a MASSIVE amount of work.
