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[Isichar]

First off, This is not a flame thread against Epler, Allan, Stanley or any other mod, as they have done nothing but a fantastic job. Specially from the DA team in here as alot of what I am saying is due to the fact you guys have actually treated us with respect. That been said lets get to the main point of this:


I keep hearing from bioware, its mods and official responses "yes, we are listening" but it seems like nothing comes from the mass effect team without first going through a chain of PR people. There is basically no fan/bioware (mass effect team) interaction other then the questions asked at an event like pax, which forces the question and answers to become very generalized the rare time they can be asked/answered.

I see mods like Allan take time to write long thought out responses, get flamed, and still respond to the fans with respect, which cant always be easy and I cant help but wonder why are the people who actually worked on the game not here discussing issues with their fans? Allan does not have to "agree" with us to respond to us, same could be said for an ME writer. Are they really just afraid we cant remain civil? At first i thought this but im really starting to doubt it.

Its sad to see those "passionate fans" take the time to write out long thought out and emotional threads to bioware and wonder if anyone who worked on the game even cares enough to actually read it let alone respond. And the funny part is when you see these "whiny children" and "flamers" actually show they capable of acting mature and discussing things when they are treated like people and not just statistics for bioware. Even the worse of the trolls here i've seen capable of carrying out an intelligent converstation when they want to.

This for me would show they care much more then having a bioware CEO i couldnt care less about tell us they are listening. And I dont believe I am the only one who feels this way. For all I know the ME team has not read a single word written on these forums, maybe bioware just has people who read the forums, take notes then give it to the team as a checklist of issues fans have to be knocked off. This does not mean they care about the fans, rather it comes off as quite the opposite.

So ill ask it again: is it right that the most contact we have with bioware is through mods unrelated to the actual production of mass effect? And why is it I see Allan who works on DA respond to me and others personally but the people who should care about the fan and their reactions are all but totally cut off from us? I think bioware underestimates the effect treating your fans like people rather then whiney children that didnt get what they want, has on us, or me at least.

Sad that I have more respect for the mods in these forums in regards to bioware then I do for the people who worked on the game I love and wish to discuss (sept maybe Weekes, mad respect for him).

Id go as far as to say id respect bioware/casey hudson more for actually trying to talk with its fans and understand their reaction rather then simply changing the ending to sate that reaction. But again this is all just my opinion.

Modifié par Isichar, 18 avril 2012 - 05:43 .

[Astrogenesis]

Probably the same reason my Nan's grave has see more activity than Casey or Mac's Twitter feeds.

[clarkusdarkus]

the mass effect team wont deal with us measly entitled fans so its left to DA team to keep us in check.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Because the the DA mods are listening to our feedback and passing it onto the DA3 team perhaps?

[wantedman dan]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Because the the DA mods are listening to our feedback and passing it onto the DA3 team perhaps?

"Note to self: actually deliver on promises..."

[Isichar]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Because the the DA mods are listening to our feedback and passing it onto the DA3 team perhaps?

So someone takes an hour to type out a long thread, a DA mod reads it and then writers up a list of issues the fan has and gives it to the ME3 team? This would make sense since a DA mod can always step back and say "well i didnt work on the game" and thus avoid some level of flaming, but it does not show they care about those fans taking the time to actually try and communicate with bioware.

[Nightwriter]

Can you think of any reason why they would want to expose themselves to the vitriol? They respond to fans on twitter frequently enough because the character limit keeps the question-and-answer dynamic fairly controlled. Exposing themselves to the nastiness that can rage on the BSN is another matter.

Besides, the ME team has never interacted with forumites as actively as the DA team.

[legion999]

That's..a good point actually. Don't get me wrong I have respect for Allan, Chris, Stanley and co for answering questions (even though I don't agree with their answers all the time). But it seems to me that a lot of the anger could be calmed and even avoided if the Mass Effect team talked to us on the forums. The statements released sound like PR tactics and the little info about the Extended Cut is quite annoying if I'm honest.

That's just my opinion though no need to go spreading it around.

[LadyWench]

You make an excellent point. I am also saddened by this.

At least DA cares...?

[Udalango]

"Because a response from a Mass Effect member would be taken as an Official Statement and therefore cause more problems when it is reported"
Thts basically what I got told

[tomcplotts]

plausible deniability, and every sacrifice requires a lamb.

besides, I think the ME team is pretty busy right now.

[Riion]

Too high of a possibility that they would either make promises they can't keep or stir up false hope, leading to even more :'( later on.

[Raiil]

Well, to be fair, the DA mods are responding as fans, albeit as fans who can go to the meffect team and prod them with sticks in hopes of answers.

That being said, it does rankle me. I don't know why they think radio silence is a good idea; 90% of the outrage would have been diminished if they had chosen face to face communication, rather than some try hard 'not going to answer the plebes' attitude and rudeness.

[MakeMineMako]

Mr. Allan Schumacher simply posts on the Mass Effect boards as a fan. Nothing more.

Just because he works at Bioware doesn't mean he's running interference for the Mass Effect team by posting here. Nor does it mean he's looking for feedback.

I think the Mass Effect team doesn't do more here than they do is because of potential flaming. There are some people that can't control themselves, it seems.

[eddieoctane]

wantedman dan wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Because the the DA mods are listening to our feedback and passing it onto the DA3 team perhaps?

"Note to self: actually deliver on promises..."

You think EA will let them not make a terrible game at this point? Any company willing to make a title out of the Crack Baby Athletic Association has got to be pure evil.

[tekkaman fear]

I wouldn't come in here and respond to us if I was them. No matter what they say they will get roasted alive. At this point it's probably just best to stay away until the EC is released.

[Karolus_V]

Mixing developers from a greatly appreciated game saga, who for some reason , in opinion of their fans, didnt delivered in the end of said franchise, with said fans, is like mixing nitroglicerine and airplane fuel when you are doing a barbecue.

[Occulo]

Non-disclosure agreements, maybe?

[Narayan23]

The dragon age guys need to win back some favour after their last outing.
They just thought this was an oppertune time to show themselves

[BattleVisor]

damage control, too sensitive of an issue.

Though I appreciate guys like Allan . Hoping good stuff for Dragon Age III

[PsyrenY]

He's not "answering questions." All you're going to do is get the poor guy in trouble when he is here PURELY AS A FAN.

Though if I were him, with the sheer number of you thinking he is here in some official capacity when he's REPEATEDLY stated that he isn't, I would post from a sockpuppet account or avoid the ME forum entirely.

[Isichar]

legion999 wrote...

That's..a good point actually. Don't get me wrong I have respect for Allan, Chris, Stanley and co for answering questions (even though I don't agree with their answers all the time). But it seems to me that a lot of the anger could be calmed and even avoided if the Mass Effect team talked to us on the forums. The statements released sound like PR tactics and the little info about the Extended Cut is quite annoying if I'm honest.

That's just my opinion though no need to go spreading it around.

Yes, if someone from a mass effect team actually started responding to us then i wouldnt mind if they had very strict regulations in terms of flaming, they should not have to worry about been called down for been here answering questions. But I think it would help them in the long run in showing they are really listening to the fans.

Thats why i mention Allan and the others (sorry guys for using you to make a point) they are constantly responding even when they are been flamed, and I see those same people who came in to flame become more willing to actually discuss issues rather then just freak out about them. Hell even I have walked into a thread to troll and became more interesting in actually talking with the mods rather then calling them down for working with bioware or liking the game/ending.

[wantedman dan]

eddieoctane wrote...

You think EA will let them not make a terrible game at this point? Any company willing to make a title out of the Crack Baby Athletic Association has got to be pure evil.

One can hope...

[Isichar]

Occulo wrote...

Non-disclosure agreements, maybe?

Im almost certain the lack of response is very PR related, still theres next to no communication which only frustrates the fans more, this does not help biowares image from the fans PoV

[MisterJB]

All of the Mass Effect mods are on the run. Regrouping. Somewhere.

Modifié par MisterJB, 17 avril 2012 - 09:25 .