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[tomcplotts]

MakeMineMako wrote...


Mr. Allan Schumacher simply posts on the Mass Effect boards as a fan. Nothing more.

Just because he works at Bioware doesn't mean he's running interference for the Mass Effect team by posting here. Nor does it mean he's looking for feedback.

I think the Mass Effect team doesn't do more here than they do is because of potential flaming. There are some people that can't control themselves, it seems.

I know what you mean. I said the same thing about their marketing staff.

[dekkerd]

MakeMineMako wrote...


Mr. Allan Schumacher simply posts on the Mass Effect boards as a fan. Nothing more.

Just because he works at Bioware doesn't mean he's running interference for the Mass Effect team by posting here. Nor does it mean he's looking for feedback.

I think the Mass Effect team doesn't do more here than they do is because of potential flaming. There are some people that can't control themselves, it seems.

[Isichar]

tomcplotts wrote...

MakeMineMako wrote...


Mr. Allan Schumacher simply posts on the Mass Effect boards as a fan. Nothing more.

Just because he works at Bioware doesn't mean he's running interference for the Mass Effect team by posting here. Nor does it mean he's looking for feedback.

I think the Mass Effect team doesn't do more here than they do is because of potential flaming. There are some people that can't control themselves, it seems.

I know what you mean. I said the same thing about their marketing staff.

Allan could easily post here as just another fan, make an account as someone who bought the game. But he instead posts as a fan who just happens to have a bioware label next to his name. He may be here as a fan but he still represents bioware, for example if he spoke up against bioware do you not think his higher ups would have an issue with that? Even if he is here of his own choice as a fan hes still responsible for his responses as a bioware employee.


Anyways It still bothers me that hes responded more to us fans then anyone on the mass effect team has. Regardless of why he posts.

Modifié par Isichar, 17 avril 2012 - 09:28 .

[Mad Man Mac]

Cause they got laid off by EA

[Malanek]

I think the guys from the DA team have been great. You get to hear things from the perspective of a game developer and a fan. I would prefer a bit more input from the ME3 team but the fact they know things they aren't allowed to tell us makes things very difficult for them. Plus people are out for blood.

[Iriguss]

I'm going with whenever one of them posts anything the "fans" here jump all over them and down their throats... Listen, I don't like the ending one bit, but that's it in a nutshell. Whenever I’ve seen any of them post ANYTHING, it has just been twisted in awful ways that makes me sad to be lumped in with people who don’t like the endings.

I can also imaging that and due to non-disclosure agreements there’s a good chance they’re covering their butts by not posting so they don’t accidently reveal something about upcoming ME3 DLC and/or ME franchise future plans.

The DA crew are fans just like us so they post just like us. I imagine that if you started asking them about DA3 or DA2 they’d clam up about those subjects too. In the case of DA2 that seems like a landmine subject, which I’m sure they’d prefer not being dragged into people’s personal crusades to get people to admit they’re terrible and make awful things…

Honestly, I think we’d see more communication if people would chill out, but in the end its just less trouble to just avoid the BSN until they actually can say something about what their plans are.


(Granted there are things like EMS that seem like there should be SOME kind of statement about)

[XTR3M3]

mods are mods and they have to follow their own set of guidelines regardless of what game is being discussed. The TOS are the same for the whole site so it is not like tech support where they need to know the product, they just have to enforce the rules.

If given the choice, I would rather have mods that aren't ME specific. I would hazard a guess that they would be even more neutral and fair when they interpret and enforce the TOS rules.

Modifié par XTR3M3, 17 avril 2012 - 09:34 .

[Isichar]

Malanek999 wrote...

I think the guys from the DA team have been great. You get to hear things from the perspective of a game developer and a fan. I would prefer a bit more input from the ME3 team but the fact they know things they aren't allowed to tell us makes things very difficult for them. Plus people are out for blood.

Agreed I enjoy reading the DA teams responses quite a bit.

I know it would not always be easy for an ME3 writer (as an example) to respond without his words been torn apart by the fans, but it would still go a long ways to show they care and are really listening. And i think once that initial rage died down most people would be quite civil, and those who couldnt be would get banned. Its that initial emotional reaction thats the problem, but wouldnt it say more about them in the long run?

[FaWa]

DA mods are used to telling people that turtle poop is actually gold.

[Isichar]

XTR3M3 wrote...

mods are mods and they have to follow their own set of guidelines regardless of what game is being discussed. The TOS are the same for the whole site so it is not like tech support where they need to know the product, they just have to enforce the rules.

If given the choice, I would rather have mods that aren't ME specific. I would hazard a guess that they would be even more neutral and fair when they interpret and enforce the TOS rules.

Agreed the mods themselves dont need to be part of the ME team to do their jobs, hell they dont even need to play bioware games to do their jobs. I would still like to see an actual way to talk with the mass effect team though.

[Echo_V]

Nightwriter wrote...

Can you think of any reason why they would want to expose themselves to the vitriol? They respond to fans on twitter frequently enough because the character limit keeps the question-and-answer dynamic fairly controlled. Exposing themselves to the nastiness that can rage on the BSN is another matter.

Besides, the ME team has never interacted with forumites as actively as the DA team.

This!
I mean seriously, how can you not understand why they choose not to answer in any of the threads? I've seen a thread named "I extremely dislike Chris Priestly" o.O FOR REAL??? No matter what they say, they get flamed on. Michael Gamble wrote in a thread and he got rude comments, even Allan, a friendly ME fan, who happens to work for Bioware too, gets unfair comments. The Story and Campaign and the General Discussion forum are ablaze with accusations! If anyone says "we rage because we love!", I'm gonna puke...
Does anyone still believe they don't read BSN? wow...I'm just glad they don't reply to the topics...

If you want to see dev-fan interaction go to the multiplayer forum. Bryan and a few other ME devs often answer in threads and also have "play-dates" with some fans.

[Isichar]

Iriguss wrote...

I'm going with whenever one of them posts anything the "fans" here jump all over them and down their throats... Listen, I don't like the ending one bit, but that's it in a nutshell. Whenever I’ve seen any of them post ANYTHING, it has just been twisted in awful ways that makes me sad to be lumped in with people who don’t like the endings.

I can also imaging that and due to non-disclosure agreements there’s a good chance they’re covering their butts by not posting so they don’t accidently reveal something about upcoming ME3 DLC and/or ME franchise future plans.

The DA crew are fans just like us so they post just like us. I imagine that if you started asking them about DA3 or DA2 they’d clam up about those subjects too. In the case of DA2 that seems like a landmine subject, which I’m sure they’d prefer not being dragged into people’s personal crusades to get people to admit they’re terrible and make awful things…

Honestly, I think we’d see more communication if people would chill out, but in the end its just less trouble to just avoid the BSN until they actually can say something about what their plans are.


(Granted there are things like EMS that seem like there should be SOME kind of statement about)

There does have to be some line drawn as to what they can actually talk about, and in regards to something like the ending that is meant to be open ended they could only say so much, but at least they could help us see why the endings dont suck rather then give us tons of SPECULATION and say "go have fun and discuss"

Which has basically led to beliefs like "everyone dies and starves at the end" or "So did i just kill all qurians when i chose destroy too...?"

[sammysoso]

I think the Mass Effect people are kinda busy working on stuff. (like the extended endings) Why would they spend their free time getting flamed on the forums anyway?

And the wonderful Allan Schumacher posts here as a fan (like us) of the Mass Effect series. I'm amazed at his patience with the trolls.

[Isichar]

Echo_V wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

Can you think of any reason why they would want to expose themselves to the vitriol? They respond to fans on twitter frequently enough because the character limit keeps the question-and-answer dynamic fairly controlled. Exposing themselves to the nastiness that can rage on the BSN is another matter.

Besides, the ME team has never interacted with forumites as actively as the DA team.

This!
I mean seriously, how can you not understand why they choose not to answer in any of the threads? I've seen a thread named "I extremely dislike Chris Priestly" o.O FOR REAL??? No matter what they say, they get flamed on. Michael Gamble wrote in a thread and he got rude comments, even Allan, a friendly ME fan, who happens to work for Bioware too, gets unfair comments. The Story and Campaign and the General Discussion forum are ablaze with accusations! If anyone says "we rage because we love!", I'm gonna puke...
Does anyone still believe they don't read BSN? wow...I'm just glad they don't reply to the topics...

If you want to see dev-fan interaction go to the multiplayer forum. Bryan and a few other ME devs often answer in threads and also have "play-dates" with some fans.

Theres always flamers in any social network, ALWAYS. So the answer is just shut all the doors of communication with everyone? And what about the tons of fans perfectly willing to talk civil that are alienated from this?

[AntonioA9011]

LOL This **** is sketchy. I'm a little suspicious about a lot of the things that BioWare is doing.

[wantedman dan]

sammysoso wrote...

I think the Mass Effect people are kinda busy working on stuff. (like the extended endings) Why would they spend their free time getting flamed on the forums anyway?

And the wonderful Allan Schumacher posts here as a fan (like us) of the Mass Effect series. I'm amazed at his patience with the trolls.

Everyone deserves ridicule for mistakes they made until they repent and learn from it. Then we move on. That's how it works.

Either they take it like the big boys and girls they are, take their lumps, and move on; or, they continue down this path and pretend like nothings wrong. I learned this first hand.

[Rudy Lis]

Train-the-trainer building-block approach?

[Tony208]

It's a learning experience for everyone involved so it's a good sign that people from the DA team are checking this out. Gives me some hope for DA3.

[Isichar]

wantedman dan wrote...

sammysoso wrote...

I think the Mass Effect people are kinda busy working on stuff. (like the extended endings) Why would they spend their free time getting flamed on the forums anyway?

And the wonderful Allan Schumacher posts here as a fan (like us) of the Mass Effect series. I'm amazed at his patience with the trolls.

Everyone deserves ridicule for mistakes they made until they repent and learn from it. Then we move on. That's how it works.

Either they take it like the big boys and girls they are, take their lumps, and move on; or, they continue down this path and pretend like nothings wrong. I learned this first hand.

Plus I could be completely wrong in saying this, but I do think most the flamers would calm down alot quicker then you may think. Anyone who got too out of hand should be banned, bioware does not need to take abuse, but if they cant stand criticism then why work in this industry to begin with? Im not here because I want to take my rage out on bioware, im here to discuss mass effect.

[Isichar]

Tony208 wrote...

It's a learning experience for everyone involved so it's a good sign that people from the DA team are checking this out. Gives me some hope for DA3.

I choose to look at DA3 with the same mindset i got for the extended cut DLC, cautious optimism.

[Iriguss]

Isichar wrote...

Iriguss wrote...
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Guess that's fair; but I believe they have come forward and talk about both of those, but it did take a long time. Eh, I'm not here to defend the policy of no-talking after all just kinda state why I thought it was happening is all.

(Sadly it does usually go "well no, no one starves" "WHY U MAKE SUCKY ENDING???!?!?!?!?!" "......" so again I can see why there's a general silence from the staff)

[Gemini1179]

It will be spun to say that the ME team is "...working incredibly hard at work brining more explanation and closure regarding the ending to Mass Effect 3..." and wouldn't you rather they spent their time doing that then answering forum posts that EA doesn't care about?

[Cadence of the Planes]

OP: No, I am not bothered, but you sure seem to be

[Dridengx]

Well. Last time ME team was here you guys slandered them, threatened them, and trolled them. They left. your fault. Just because they don't post doesn't mean they are not receiving or hearing feedback. Course it could be all PR and damage control. you will never know because you lacked the maturity to respect them and have conversations with them. now you are being ignored by the people who you are whining to want to hear from.

[AresXX7]

eddieoctane wrote...

*snip*

You think EA will let them not make a terrible game at this point? Any company willing to make a title out of the Crack Baby Athletic Association has got to be pure evil.

???

Ok, I have to admit this flew right over my head.