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[Zix13]

wantedman dan wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Because the the DA mods are listening to our feedback and passing it onto the DA3 team perhaps?

"Note to self: actually deliver on promises..."

Pretty sure they're studying this pretty carefully so that they don't make the same mistakes.

[Daedalus1773]

John Epler wrote...

I have a bottle of work scotch. Many of them, I imagine, do not.

More seriously, though - we can post without worrying about committing to anything, or inadvertently saying things we aren't supposed to about the ME series. I know slightly more about their plans than the people here, but only slightly - otherwise, I have my head in Dragon Age all day.

And, of course, I am a sucker for the community. I weathered the post-DA2 forum storm, living through Mangiraffedog. My skin is appropriately thick.

I didn't come to the forums after DA2, but now you have piqued my curiosity. 

What in god's name is Mangiraffedog??

[Daedalus1773]

LOL yay google. Funny stuff (altho probably not as funny for you at the time I guess .

http://knowyourmeme....man-giraffe-dog 

Modifié par Daedalus1773, 17 avril 2012 - 11:00 .

[Isichar]

JamesFaith wrote...

Isichar wrote...

The only issue i got with what your saying is there will ALWAYS be someone willing to flame, even under the threat of the banhammer. Ive seen the current mods flamed and they have a right to ban those who decide to make it personal, but otherwise they have participated in more then a couple civil conversations even with all the trolls.

I just dont know if what your saying is possible when there are people willing to look at a thousand people the same way just because 1 person looks bad.

Im torn on this issue, really am. Because Im weighing if bioware employees should put themselves in an position to get really badly flamed Vs the feeling fans get that bioware does not care enough to respond. Even if they do what i wanted and started responding to us on these forums I understand this could only make us look worse...

I just want to say that one of the best ways (by my opinion) how to push ME BW to start communicate again, is some friendly gesture, give them olive branch, something bigger than one lonely thread. Something, what show them, that not everyone here is crazy troll. From their side o view first step simply looks too dangerous and on fan's side isn't too much will to do it right now, only few threads like yours (I don't count threads DEMANDING answers to this) and lot of hate. I don't know exactly, what to do, but I honestly believe that first calm step in such conflict situation must do "angrier" side, because opposite side step should be viewed is sign of weakness and it will provokes trolls to new "self-righteous" flame.

But this is only my opinion, one of many here.

And a valid opinion at that. I dont know how we can extend the olive branch so to speak though. The reaction of the fans will usually be viewed in regards to the loudest ones so even if most of us tried to be civil we could still end up looking bad.

I actually kinda view the possibility of and ME writer or someone talking with us as their version of an olive branch. You could argue the extended DLC is too but i reserve judgement on that until i actually see it.

As a fan im not entirely sure i have the power on my own to show the fans in a better light unfortunately.

[Akranadas]

EA probably told the ME3 staff to be quiet. Anything they say about the game will be torn to pieces by fans.

Imagine if Casey Hudson posted...

[Isichar]

John Epler wrote...

I have a bottle of work scotch. Many of them, I imagine, do not.

More seriously, though - we can post without worrying about committing to anything, or inadvertently saying things we aren't supposed to about the ME series. I know slightly more about their plans than the people here, but only slightly - otherwise, I have my head in Dragon Age all day.

And, of course, I am a sucker for the community. I weathered the post-DA2 forum storm, living through Mangiraffedog. My skin is appropriately thick.

You guys really are great from a PR standpoint even if you are just here as fans for the reason that you dont have to commit. Do you think that if there was an ME team member here there would be serious issues of them giving out information they shouldnt, and or say something that could be used against bioware?

I also am guessing due to the nature of the ending they probably dont want to "tell people what to think" too.

I think if they were really careful about what they said they could discuss things with the fans without saying something they shouldnt. Then again its hard when theres fans ready to tear apart your every word right?

Btw ty for joining us Epler

Modifié par Isichar, 17 avril 2012 - 11:07 .

[Turtlicious]

Astrogenesis wrote...

Probably the same reason my Nan's grave has see more activity than Casey or Mac's Twitter feeds.

I'm really sorry about that...

A man has needs.

[RainyDayLover]

You just have to ask nicely sometimes.

Modifié par RainyDayLover, 17 avril 2012 - 11:07 .

[Isichar]

RainyDayLover wrote...

You just have to ask nicely sometimes.

Sylvf is my favorite ME writer, or at least tied with Weekes

[John Epler]

Isichar wrote...

John Epler wrote...

I have a bottle of work scotch. Many of them, I imagine, do not.

More seriously, though - we can post without worrying about committing to anything, or inadvertently saying things we aren't supposed to about the ME series. I know slightly more about their plans than the people here, but only slightly - otherwise, I have my head in Dragon Age all day.

And, of course, I am a sucker for the community. I weathered the post-DA2 forum storm, living through Mangiraffedog. My skin is appropriately thick.

You guys really are great from a PR standpoint even if you are just here as fans for the reason that you dont have to commit. Do you think that if there was an ME team member here there would be serious issues of them giving out information they shouldnt, and or say something that could be used against bioware?

I think if they were really careful about what they said they could discuss things with the fans without saying something they shouldnt. Then again its hard when theres fans ready to tear apart your every word right?

Btw ty for joining us Epler

It can be very, very difficult to post when you're talking about a game or series you're involved in. I've been 'quoted' before in ways that took my words entirely out of context, requiring me to hop in later and clarify that 'no, that's not what I meant at all'. It's a little easier when you've been doing it for a while, of course - most of the people who're still on the DA forums know when I'm speaking as a BioWare employee, and when I'm just tossing around ideas as someone who's interested in design philosophies.

In the case of these forums, of course, people can still take my words out of context, but I make it very clear that I'm not involved with the Mass Effect franchise, and I try to avoid stating anything that could be taken as confirmation or denial of anything ME related. It's still a bit of a balancing act, but I've been doing this for about a year now - and it is something that gets easier over time.

[Eain]

John Epler wrote...

I have a bottle of work scotch. Many of them, I imagine, do not.

More seriously, though - we can post without worrying about committing to anything, or inadvertently saying things we aren't supposed to about the ME series. I know slightly more about their plans than the people here, but only slightly - otherwise, I have my head in Dragon Age all day.

And, of course, I am a sucker for the community. I weathered the post-DA2 forum storm, living through Mangiraffedog. My skin is appropriately thick.

John, just curious. What does all this forum mayhem mean to you? Dedicated fans, or misplaced sense of entitlement? I know that there's really no right answer to this so I understand if you don't wanna say. It's just that lately I've been beginning to suspect that there's a real loss of respect on both sides of the Mass Effect fence. I think that some people in particular on the ME team are really just fed up with the whole situation and had been expecting a far more positive fan response than the one they received. People seem to have turned pretty bitter.

Modifié par Eain, 17 avril 2012 - 11:11 .

[Isichar]

John Epler wrote...

Isichar wrote...

John Epler wrote...

I have a bottle of work scotch. Many of them, I imagine, do not.

More seriously, though - we can post without worrying about committing to anything, or inadvertently saying things we aren't supposed to about the ME series. I know slightly more about their plans than the people here, but only slightly - otherwise, I have my head in Dragon Age all day.

And, of course, I am a sucker for the community. I weathered the post-DA2 forum storm, living through Mangiraffedog. My skin is appropriately thick.

You guys really are great from a PR standpoint even if you are just here as fans for the reason that you dont have to commit. Do you think that if there was an ME team member here there would be serious issues of them giving out information they shouldnt, and or say something that could be used against bioware?

I think if they were really careful about what they said they could discuss things with the fans without saying something they shouldnt. Then again its hard when theres fans ready to tear apart your every word right?

Btw ty for joining us Epler

It can be very, very difficult to post when you're talking about a game or series you're involved in. I've been 'quoted' before in ways that took my words entirely out of context, requiring me to hop in later and clarify that 'no, that's not what I meant at all'. It's a little easier when you've been doing it for a while, of course - most of the people who're still on the DA forums know when I'm speaking as a BioWare employee, and when I'm just tossing around ideas as someone who's interested in design philosophies.

In the case of these forums, of course, people can still take my words out of context, but I make it very clear that I'm not involved with the Mass Effect franchise, and I try to avoid stating anything that could be taken as confirmation or denial of anything ME related. It's still a bit of a balancing act, but I've been doing this for about a year now - and it is something that gets easier over time.

I have seen you guys, and any bioware source misquoted quite a bit so I understand that. Alot of people will ignore context for content unfortunately.

Still just you taking the time to talk with us matters to alot of fans even if the vocal minority does not always display that.

Even when you or Allan post as fans it still goes a long way to show that someone from bioware cares/listens.

Modifié par Isichar, 17 avril 2012 - 11:15 .

[sistersafetypin]

wantedman dan wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Because the the DA mods are listening to our feedback and passing it onto the DA3 team perhaps?

"Note to self: actually deliver on promises..."

That would be amazing. But then, I thought the ME time was doing that during the DA2 backlash

[Isichar]

sistersafetypin wrote...

wantedman dan wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Because the the DA mods are listening to our feedback and passing it onto the DA3 team perhaps?

"Note to self: actually deliver on promises..."

That would be amazing. But then, I thought the ME time was doing that during the DA2 backlash

The ME writers could learn alot more from actually talking with us compared to simply hearing the statistics and main points we make from a filtered source though, couldnt they?

[John Epler]

Eain wrote...

John Epler wrote...

I have a bottle of work scotch. Many of them, I imagine, do not.

More seriously, though - we can post without worrying about committing to anything, or inadvertently saying things we aren't supposed to about the ME series. I know slightly more about their plans than the people here, but only slightly - otherwise, I have my head in Dragon Age all day.

And, of course, I am a sucker for the community. I weathered the post-DA2 forum storm, living through Mangiraffedog. My skin is appropriately thick.

John, just curious. What does all this forum mayhem mean to you? Dedicated fans, or misplaced sense of entitlement? I know that there's really no right answer to this so I understand if you don't wanna say. It's just that lately I've been beginning to suspect that there's a real loss of respect on both sides of the Mass Effect fence. I think that some people in particular on the ME team are really just fed up with the whole situation and had been expecting a far more positive fan response than the one they received. People seem to have turned pretty bitter.

I think the general sentiment is still borne out of a dedicated fanbase. I've maintained, since the game shipped, that the majority of people who are looking for a different ending are civil and respectful, and speak because they care passionately about the product as a whole (as well as, in many cases, the company behind it). There are still numerous people on these forums who are able to articulate their sentiment regarding the ending in a rational and civil fashion, and I thank them for that - not to mention that I imagine it helps your case.

That being said, there's a vocal minority who started with vitriol and bile and continues down that path. That's their prerogative, certainly, but it's neither conducive to a forum environment where people are able to have discussions, nor does it help their cause. And, again, full credit to the community - I've seen many 'anti enders' taking them to task on their behaviour. And, to be fair - there are those who've taken this whole situation as an invitation to engage in flaming the 'anti-ending' crowd, because they feel they're immune to prosecution by the moderating staff. Which, if I'm not getting PMs, ends up being something of a self-fulfilling prophecy.

I think, by and large, there's a little bit of lawlessness in the forums right now, and that's as a result of emotions running high on both sides of the fence (neither the pro-ending nor the anti-ending group has a lock on insults and vitriol). I'm hoping that clarifying that issues are most quickly resolved when reported directly to a Moderator will help. Beyond that, we'll see.

[natalZ]

LOST OF SPECULATIONS

[Maria Caliban]

John Epler wrote...

Mangiraffedog.

Thanks for the flashbacks John. I'll just leave this here.

[Isichar]

John Epler wrote...

Eain wrote...

John Epler wrote...

I have a bottle of work scotch. Many of them, I imagine, do not.

More seriously, though - we can post without worrying about committing to anything, or inadvertently saying things we aren't supposed to about the ME series. I know slightly more about their plans than the people here, but only slightly - otherwise, I have my head in Dragon Age all day.

And, of course, I am a sucker for the community. I weathered the post-DA2 forum storm, living through Mangiraffedog. My skin is appropriately thick.

John, just curious. What does all this forum mayhem mean to you? Dedicated fans, or misplaced sense of entitlement? I know that there's really no right answer to this so I understand if you don't wanna say. It's just that lately I've been beginning to suspect that there's a real loss of respect on both sides of the Mass Effect fence. I think that some people in particular on the ME team are really just fed up with the whole situation and had been expecting a far more positive fan response than the one they received. People seem to have turned pretty bitter.

I think the general sentiment is still borne out of a dedicated fanbase. I've maintained, since the game shipped, that the majority of people who are looking for a different ending are civil and respectful, and speak because they care passionately about the product as a whole (as well as, in many cases, the company behind it). There are still numerous people on these forums who are able to articulate their sentiment regarding the ending in a rational and civil fashion, and I thank them for that - not to mention that I imagine it helps your case.

That being said, there's a vocal minority who started with vitriol and bile and continues down that path. That's their prerogative, certainly, but it's neither conducive to a forum environment where people are able to have discussions, nor does it help their cause. And, again, full credit to the community - I've seen many 'anti enders' taking them to task on their behaviour. And, to be fair - there are those who've taken this whole situation as an invitation to engage in flaming the 'anti-ending' crowd, because they feel they're immune to prosecution by the moderating staff. Which, if I'm not getting PMs, ends up being something of a self-fulfilling prophecy.

I think, by and large, there's a little bit of lawlessness in the forums right now, and that's as a result of emotions running high on both sides of the fence (neither the pro-ending nor the anti-ending group has a lock on insults and vitriol). I'm hoping that clarifying that issues are most quickly resolved when reported directly to a Moderator will help. Beyond that, we'll see.

Well it was a very emotional series, an emotional response is kind of to be expected. It may sound silly saying this and im sure alot of bioware employees dont agree right now but the response is not ALL BAD. In some ways the passion shown from the fans just goes to show what an amazing series ME was. I mean why would someone be here raging if they didnt care right? (even if they are misguided)

There just needs to be a bit more direction as to how we direct our emotions and frustration, and alot of good can come out of it for both sides when this is done properly. Personally I miss the charity as it was a good way for those who were upset to vent frustration in a productive way, sadly it was not seen that way by everyone.

Modifié par Isichar, 17 avril 2012 - 11:30 .

[John Epler]

Maria Caliban wrote...

John Epler wrote...

Mangiraffedog.

Thanks for the flashbacks John. I'll just leave this here.

You are literally the worst person on these forums right now.

[Vintage_Shepard]

I can understand the frustration, but I view it as a good thing that someone from Bioware is responding at all.

Because in the end, aren't we all just fans?



Yep, that was corny.

[Isichar]

Vintage_Shepard wrote...

I can understand the frustration, but I view it as a good thing that someone from Bioware is responding at all.

Because in the end, aren't we all just fans?



Yep, that was corny.

It makes a difference, to some of us at least.
Id like to expand on that more if possible because the fact that having bioware employees here talking with us does actually matter to some people.

[RaenImrahl]

Maria Caliban wrote...

John Epler wrote...

Mangiraffedog.

Thanks for the flashbacks John. I'll just leave this here.

Agghhh!  My eyes....  I had hoped to never see that pic again. 

[Isichar]

RaenImrahl wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

John Epler wrote...

Mangiraffedog.

Thanks for the flashbacks John. I'll just leave this here.

Agghhh!  My eyes....  I had hoped to never see that pic again. 

I now feel like i missed out on some quality trolling on the DA2 forums

[Maria Caliban]

Isichar wrote...

Why are there DA mods in here answering questions rather then people from the ME...

Because the Dragon Age developers have always been more willing to engage with fans than the Mass Effect developers.

This probably began because the Dragon Age forums were open for years prior to the game shipping. It was a small group and the posters were mostly people who'd been on the BioWare forums for years. It was casual enough that developers didn't have to feel like they were always on the defensive.

When the ME forums opened up, it wasn't a pleasant place to be, so the developers never got into the habit of chatting with people.

John Epler wrote...

You are literally the worst person on these forums right now.

That's going in my signature.

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 17 avril 2012 - 11:40 .

[JamesFaith]

Maria Caliban wrote...

John Epler wrote...

Mangiraffedog.

Thanks for the flashbacks John. I'll just leave this here.

CENSORED

OMG, Maria, do you really want blind only mods speaking with us with picture of this abomination? Even templars fear this creature.