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[CptData]

Shajar wrote...

Well Legion cant be saved so its like Virmire, but extended. Either you "kill" 1 or 2. I do peace option almost always, still i lose my friend there xD

I think it's more "either you kill Geth or Quarians" 
And yeah, when Legion dies it's always sad.

[Aggie Punbot]

Why did I leave Ashley behind? Three reasons:

1). Kaidan is a powerful and sane biotic with the L2 implants. He is a rare and very valuable commodity to the Alliance military and not replaceable.
2). I leave him with the bomb because he has the technical expertise to arm it properly with little to no risk of error. When I have to decide between saving the salarians (who had already suffered terrible casualties specifically so that the place would be blown to pieces) and protecting the bomb, I chose the bomb. Kaidan was at the bomb, hence, he is saved.
3). My Shepard was already madly in love with him. He's not going to be left behind, period.

Were it possible to save them both, I would in a heartbeat. But it's not.

[CptData]

TS2Aggie wrote...

Why did I leave Ashley behind? Three reasons:

1). Kaidan is a powerful and sane biotic with the L2 implants. He is a rare and very valuable commodity to the Alliance military and not replaceable.
2). I leave him with the bomb because he has the technical expertise to arm it properly with little to no risk of error. When I have to decide between saving the salarians (who had already suffered terrible casualties specifically so that the place would be blown to pieces) and protecting the bomb, I chose the bomb. Kaidan was at the bomb, hence, he is saved.
3). My Shepard was already madly in love with him. He's not going to be left behind, period.

Were it possible to save them both, I would in a heartbeat. But it's not.

Think it's obvious: if Ash is your LI, you'll leave Kaidan behind, if Kaidan is your LI, you'll sacrifice Ashley. I heard of ppl sacrificing their LI for the other one, either for "tragic RP" or 'cause the other one was more useful for them.

But yeah, it's that. I hate leaving Kaidan behind but -for now, even after the let down in ME3- I can't force myself to sacrifice Ashley. It's just that.

It's like you said: if I could save both, I would do.Next to Garrus + Ashley, Kaidan + Ashley was my most used squad in ME1.

[DeviousCastle]

I have to agree, Ash just felt real to me. Which is why she almost always survived Vrmire (that, and I considered Kaiden a whiney baby). It was made a bit more aggravating that in ME1, the relationships were a bit more forced, romance was spurred just by the act of talking to the character. Thankfully Bioware improved on this and not made it so forced or unwanted.

I like Ashleys new look, more like Sandra Bullock (trust me, grab a pic of her and compare, it's uncanny). I was highly disappointed in the limited interaction in ME3, compared to other crew members (Liara)... but at least it was more than my main LI, Miranda.

[Major Alenko]

I think my first ever playthrough of Mass Effect was everywhere, played a bit, left it for a month when I got stuck ect. Never warmed up to the characters and for that reason when I was confronted with the decision on Virmire I just judged how it should have been judged. Ashley is a soldier, expendable, Shepard and countless others have said that over the course of the 3 games, 'The mission is everything, soldiers are expendable' Ash is just a soldier, Kaidan on the other hand is a higher rank, has more experience, is a L2 biotic and they are rare. It's really a no brainer. But of course after playing ME1 a lot more, I liked Kaidan's character much more than Ashley's and I think I saved her once, but when I imported my save and saw Kaidan's picture flash up at the Normandy crash site, I couldn't take it and stopped playing But of course if there was a way to save them both, I would have.

[Aramintai]

TS2Aggie wrote...
2). I leave him with the bomb because he has the technical expertise to arm it properly with little to no risk of error. When I have to decide between saving the salarians (who had already suffered terrible casualties specifically so that the place would be blown to pieces) and protecting the bomb, I chose the bomb. Kaidan was at the bomb, hence, he is saved.

I agree about Kaidan's technical expertise, that's why I always choose him to arm the bomb.
However I do not agree about leaving salarians behind - all life is equally precious, at least in the mind of my Shepard, so he always chooses to save more lives, if possible. 
As for Kaidan and the bomb, well, it was said that once armed, the bomb will go off anyway, so...

But all in all, I think that Virmire situation resolution is all about how you roleplay your Shepard and justify his\\her actions, for me at least it is a very important aspect of playing RPGs.  If you can justify leaving behind a dozen lives for the sake of saving one, especially having such ulterior motives as romantic interest in Kaidan, it's your call. Also, some of those salarians, like captain Kirrahe had higher ranks than Kaidan.
I however, though about other consequences of that choice first. Not that I don't like Ashley, it's quite on the contrary 

Some guys here worded out what I like about Ashley better than I could, I'll just concur here that I too see her as most realistic and relatable character out of all squadmates. And she has great LI ark <3 

Modifié par Aramintai, 18 avril 2012 - 10:06 .

[Sal86]

I agree that is a very realistic character. She just happens to be a realistic representation of a character I wouldn't get along with irl. That, and the fact that an objective decision would lead me to leave her behind due to rank/special skills etc.

[breyant]

Most of my Shepards leave her behind on Virmire.. She just bothers me... with her constantly calling me "skipper" in ME1 I found annoying, random poetry, her speciesism, mistrust of Shepard, and the fact that she pretty much refuses to talk to me in ME3 unless I want to have sex with her.

Edit: Oh and my FemShep is crazy jealous that Ashley got to have a fun and wildly drunk night with James Vega and he won't even give her the time of day.

Modifié par breyant, 18 avril 2012 - 01:17 .

[CptData]

breyant wrote...

Most of my Shepards leave her behind on Virmire.. She just bothers me... with her constantly calling me "skipper" in ME1 I found annoying, random poetry, her speciesism, mistrust of Shepard, and the fact that she pretty much refuses to talk to me in ME3 unless I want to have sex with her.

Edit: Oh and my FemShep is crazy jealous that Ashley got to have a fun and wildly drunk night with James Vega and he won't even give her the time of day.

That is true - why's Vega no LI for fem!Shep?
And Ash works as "sister in arms" for fem!Shep in ME1 but not in ME3 - fail
As I said before, Ashley got a major let down in second half of ME3. Her character got damaged in a really visible way ...


BTW: I think "Skipper" is sexy

[Rosinante]

Ashley delivers the corniest lines in the game. It's as if that every word that comes out of her is either pretentious or insincere. Writing? VOA? Regardless. She's a boring character.

[xIREDEEMEDIx]

I actually hated Ashley the first time through ME1. I thought she was a jerk and prejudice, and never took game time to talk to her. But then the 2nd time through, I spent time in talking to her and from there she grew on me. I understood and could totally relate to why she is the way she is. So, I actually prefer her over Liara in most  cases now...

Modifié par xIREDEEMEDIx, 18 avril 2012 - 01:49 .

[CptData]

xIREDEEMEDIx wrote...

I actually hated Ashley the first time through ME1. I thought she was a jerk and prejudice, and never took game time to talk to her. But then the 2nd time through, I spent time in talking to her and from there she grew on me. I understood and could totally relate to why she is the way she is. So, I actually prefer her over Liara in most  cases now...

She has some redeeming scenes. Actually, I really like her changes from "distrustful toward everyone, especially aliens" to "more trusting and respect towards Wrex, Garrus, Tali and Liara".

Of course, her distrustful attitude returns in ME2 and is a prominent trait in ME3, but actually, it's really understandable. It gets annoying for those who don't really care of Ash 'though. Also understandable, sort of.

[RicHSAD]

Ashley is a boring character. She a is very realistic and human character, but unfortunately that just makes her boring in the Mass Effect universe. She's kind of like Vega, except that Vega's funny personality keeps me interested in what he has to say.

I honestly can't think of a single memorable scene with Ashley in all of the 3 games. All she does is whine and complain about things. Her most intereting scene in ME3 was her being drunk on the floor, which is really sad when you think about it. She is not someone I would enjoy hanging out with IRL.

Modifié par RicHSAD, 18 avril 2012 - 03:17 .

[DirtySHISN0]

Reasons for saving her on virmire:
- the coin landed on heads and i couldn't leave both.

Reasons for liking her:
- voice actor pretty good, drunk scene is cool.

Reasons for disliking her:
- human (petty, but its a rich universe. I could have more interesting alien LIs)
- xenophobe
- slow
- blind/gullable 
- felt like the game wanted me to like her (made more attractive, constantly bring up past with shepard)

Ashley isn't by any means the worst character, but i cant help but despise her.

Modifié par DirtySHISN0, 18 avril 2012 - 04:39 .

[goodventure]

I virmire'd Ashley because I didn't want to virmire Kaidan. Story-wise, it also made sense to me at the time that Ashley' death would redeem her family's honor. That, plus I was holding out hope for a s/s male romance with Kaidan in ME3 (which finally happened... yay!).

I actually really like both characters. I recently completed an ME1 playthrough... I left Ash at the bomb and Kaidan with the salarians, so when I decided to save Kaidan, the game showed Ash having her "last stand" at the bomb site as the Normandy flew away. My heart sank a little bit, because it's the first time I've actually seen this. :[

Usually I leave Kaidan at the bomb site, and then save him, so I always get the scene where Shepard carries the VS at the bomb site away, instead of showing the death of the person who was left behind.

I intend to make a Shepard who saves Ashley just to see how Ash is in ME3, plus to see the missing Ken and Gabby sequences... but this won't be for a while.

[BP93]

KingNothing125 wrote...

Ashley is unlike most video game women. She is not the shy, awkward bookwormish type (Tali, ME1 Liara). Nor is she the standard Michelle Rodriguez badass space marine (she's religious and reads classic poetry, of all things). And she's not a Mary-Sue (ME3 Liara).

She has flaws, personal demons. She's descended from one of humanity's greatest F-ups, her grandfather, who surrendered to the Turians during the First Contact War. Her backstory gives her a believable reason to be distrustful of aliens (not like that matters to a lot of the people here on the BSN), and a major chip on her shoulder... she's out to redeem her family's name.

In short, she seems like a real person, rather than a cliche video game character.

And she has pretty eyes

This post pretty much sums up my thoughts. Not a cliche' woman character, but unique and interesting.

[Dannycni]

I love Ash cause her relationship with Shepard feels the most emotional and real. It feels to me like if this had been a film or a game where you didn't choose your relationships instead they were just put on you then Ash would have been the one you would of had the relationship with so her story and her relationship with Shepard is my favourite.

The whole way through, visiting her in hospital, talking with her at the cafe on the citadel, going to the memorial service with her, the scene before the final mission, her final conversation as you say goodbye to everyone are all so touching and personally they really get to me so it'll always be Ash for me

[Stalker]

I romanced her in ME1, but I dumped her after Horizon in ME2... I moved on to Miranda, someone who trusts Shepard.

Modifié par Mr Massakka, 18 avril 2012 - 06:10 .

[Apathy1989]

CptData wrote...

Hmm. Why do I love her?
- she's pretty much my RL type of woman
- her character comes with several traits I love in real women as well
- she's an interesting human LI
- Ash is also one of the most authentic characters in the first game
- she changes - her distrustful attitude vanishes and she respects aliens at the end of ME1
- straight forward and good friend / sister in arms potential
- overall my fave - Garrus is the next fave but I also enjoy Kaidan, Mordin and Miranda a lot.

What I don't like
- writer's let down in ME2 (too short appearance, not well written dialogue on both ends)
- writer's let down in second half of ME3

Quick'n dirty. I could also type down a long one ... ^^

Pretty much. I liked her in ME1, and always had her survive in hopes of seeing more of her in ME3. 

Alas I was let down. After you leave Mars she is annoying and bland uptil you hit the cerberus base.

[Hellfire257]

To keep things simple:

1) She's one of the few characters that dares challenge Shepard when there is a conflict.
2) Headstrong professional soldier who doesn't gloss her words.
3) Brunette.
4) Sensible and doesn't let emotions or political correctness affect her judgement.
5) Isn't perfect - she's more real because of this. The relationship isn't sunshine and bunnies.

[ADLegend21]

Shajar wrote...

Ok, so here it comes. I try to be polite in sake of Ashley

Why i like her as character in ME?

- Very realistic, has her opinons and family and all. 

Why Ashley die on Virmine?
- During my very first game play, she shot Wrex, my friend died. So did Ashley!
- Racist
- God fanatic, not that i hate them, but this was too bright
- I did not like her "attitude"

Why Ashley die when Shepard shot her
- She hardly respects Shepard at all even if you were "friend with her" - unlike Wrex, Grunt, Garrus, Tali or Cortez
- She hates Cerberus
- She did not realize that her Spectre status was given only because Udina knew she was "loser/failure". to Blind her with Honor she dont have
- 
It felt very cool to get option to shoot her 

Why did Ashley survive and got spot in squad ME3?
- There is a bug that you cant hear Ken, Gabby and Tali quotes without having her as friend

Why did Ashley did not get spot in squad ME3?
- I made a mistake and left her alive
- I need war asset

LadyofRivendell wrote...

I'm forced to leave her on Virmire every playthrough because I haven't yet found a way to throw Tali at the bomb instead.

 

Aarghh, i did not heard this , LALALALLALLALLALLA 

right os it's ashley's fault becuase you didn't put enough points into charm or intimidate, and it's her fault because you chose not to speak to her and she didn't back down like the hero worshiping dextro's.

I second LadyofRivendell they should have given us the option to leave Tali, the real racist, with the bomb that destroys saren's Geth, she would have been a hero to the quarians to go out like that.

[CptData]

AD: was it really necessary to put fuel to the fire? -.-

Meh, I -really- try to cease fire against any other character / fandom since we're pretty much in the same boat with lack of content / closure for most romances.

You know: "stand together, stand strong". I really like that line.

[Portia Cousland]

Most of my games are as FShep so I only have one where I sacrificed Kaidan. The game that does have Ash was so a bunch of badass women could take on the reapers

I had one Sheploo that romanced Ash but ended up with Tali - mostly because of how Ash was handled in ME3, I really couldn't stand her. Her attitude just grated on me, so Shep broke up with her in the hospital. I really had not intended that to happen before I started playing.

In ME1, I liked her - warts and all. ME2 - well I could understand her reactions and mistrust even though that left a sour taste in my mouth. ME3 I just couldn't take her. Kaidan irritated me as well in ME3 even though I adored him in ME1. I personally didn't like how they handled the VS in ME3, I think they tried too hard to manufacture conflict and it just didn't work for me.

[CptData]

Portia Cousland wrote...

Most of my games are as FShep so I only have one where I sacrificed Kaidan. The game that does have Ash was so a bunch of badass women could take on the reapers

I had one Sheploo that romanced Ash but ended up with Tali - mostly because of how Ash was handled in ME3, I really couldn't stand her. Her attitude just grated on me, so Shep broke up with her in the hospital. I really had not intended that to happen before I started playing.

In ME1, I liked her - warts and all. ME2 - well I could understand her reactions and mistrust even though that left a sour taste in my mouth. ME3 I just couldn't take her. Kaidan irritated me as well in ME3 even though I adored him in ME1. I personally didn't like how they handled the VS in ME3, I think they tried too hard to manufacture conflict and it just didn't work for me.

Actually, I liked the conflict, although it kinda grew old towards the end.
What irks me more is the lack of content once the VS is back on the Normandy. Seriously ... why that?

[Portia Cousland]

CptData wrote...

Actually, I liked the conflict, although it kinda grew old towards the end.
What irks me more is the lack of content once the VS is back on the Normandy. Seriously ... why that?

I agree with you on the VS return to the Normandy. OMG I was so pissed. They sidelined them for most of the game only to have very little interaction until the romance scene. I was so looking forward to catching up with Kaidan/Ash only to have them removed after the FIRST mission. I really couldn't believe it.