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#151
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Hartmann262 wrote...

Elecbender wrote...

Hartmann262 wrote...

The right items got buffed, but they are totally meaningless buffs. Automatic weapons need like a 100 percent damage buff to be worthwhile, right now it's just ridiculous how 1 biotic explosion does as much damage as like 600 rounds from a Revenant X.


A biotic explosion does over 42000 DMG?

Then that means 3 Revenant shots will do more than a Carnifex shot.  And it shoots 10 times a second.

But I'm sure you know all about balance.


Enough to realize that when you pick an automatic weapon as a non biotic class you are effectively dead weight in gold?

Obviously I exagarated the numbers, but BW doesn't seem to get it. The Revenant received like 3 buffs now and it's still utter trash even when having it at level X.

It needs a serious buff, not these silly +10% dmg tweaks that make jack all difference. Same with all the other weapons. Come on people, the buffs for the phaeston and the GPR are utterly pathetic and make no difference
whatseover for the core issues that these weapons have.




Yeah...the GPR and Phaeston still do an impressive 5 damage/shot against armor on gold.  I mean, I guess the point is "assault rifles aren't meant for armor," but that's still pretty soft.

#152
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Looks like they finally heard our ****ing. XD

#153
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To those concerning the Decoy nerf: Just came back from a FBW/G/G match, with me as the SE. From my observation, it held about 4-5 at a time, the rest were shooting at me. Thankfully there was a Gengineer at my side that had a healing turret that took some of the heat off us and kept us alive. The defensive justicar helped a lot as well.

I'm thinking these farms would now require more defensive builds.

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Red Intensity wrote...

To those concerning the Decoy nerf: Just came back from a FBW/G/G match, with me as the SE. From my observation, it held about 4-5 at a time, the rest were shooting at me. Thankfully there was a Gengineer at my side that had a healing turret that took some of the heat off us and kept us alive. The defensive justicar helped a lot as well.

I'm thinking these farms would now require more defensive builds.


or 2 SEs.

#155
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Saber and paladin buffed, i'm happy.

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Hartmann262 wrote...

the buffs for the phaeston and the GPR are utterly pathetic and make no difference whatseover for the core issues that these weapons have.


This is pretty true.

A 10% buff on a weapon that does less than 50 damage per shot isn't going to do a lot against Armor that reduces damage by 50 per shot. The automatic ARs pretty much need to be buffed on the order of 50-100% or they may as well not exist on Gold.

The Avenger Assault Rifle does 48 damage per shot, at 500RPM.

The Predator Heavy Pistol does 73 damage per shot, at 500RPM.

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Nothing more really needs to be said.

#157
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I like the paladin and Saber buff, allthough I think the decreasing the capacity on the paladin was unneeded.  I could one shot headshot unshielded phantoms on gold with a rail amp 3 and damage mod on the paladin now on my drell adept which was nice, not sure if it would work without the amp though.

The other buffs are too minor to make any real difference.

Modifié par A Wild Snorlax, 18 avril 2012 - 12:47 .


#158
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Bravo! Bravo! *golf clap* Thank you Bioware for making my day!

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Decoy nerf is long overdue. Hornet buff was completely unnecessary, but I'm actually ok with it. Every other class of weapons has a god gun, about time that smgs had one too.

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Why the hell was the Paladin mag size nerfed? This pisses me off. I like it when games stick to lore. By lore the Paladin has a 4 shot mag. Put it back.

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TexasToast712 wrote...

Why the hell was the Paladin mag size nerfed? This pisses me off. I like it when games stick to lore. By lore the Paladin has a 4 shot mag. Put it back.


you really will come up with any reason to protest nerfs to handcannons, won't you? Lore? Really?

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Blissey1 wrote...

TexasToast712 wrote...

Why the hell was the Paladin mag size nerfed? This pisses me off. I like it when games stick to lore. By lore the Paladin has a 4 shot mag. Put it back.


you really will come up with any reason to protest nerfs to handcannons, won't you? Lore? Really?

It doesn't make any sense for them to nerf it's mag size. Even if it breaks lore. I don't even have the Paladin and I find this nerf stupid.

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Sigh...too bad I still see no reason to use anything that isn't the Predator, Geth Plasma Shotgun, or the Black Widow. Someone should tell the army that Pistols are far superior to assault rifles

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TexasToast712 wrote...

It doesn't make any sense for them to nerf it's mag size. Even if it breaks lore. I don't even have the Paladin and I find this nerf stupid.


they're just bringing it more in line with the other weapons it most closely resembles-the Valiant and the Black Widow. Combined with the damage buff, it is now truly the 3 shot sniper it has always wanted to be!

Modifié par Blissey1, 18 avril 2012 - 01:21 .


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Do Ultralight materials work for all SMGs now?

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Blissey1 wrote...

TexasToast712 wrote...

It doesn't make any sense for them to nerf it's mag size. Even if it breaks lore. I don't even have the Paladin and I find this nerf stupid.


they're just bringing it more in line with the other weapons it most closely resembles-the Valiant and the Black Widow. Combined with the damage buff, it is now truly the 3 shot sniper it has always wanted to be!

LOL no. It is supposed to be king of the hand cannons. Now it is a Valiant in disguise.

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born2beagator wrote...

Do Ultralight materials work for all SMGs now?


That last patch for the Xbox fixed the issue. ps3 and pc i dont know.

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TexasToast712 wrote...

Blissey1 wrote...

TexasToast712 wrote...

It doesn't make any sense for them to nerf it's mag size. Even if it breaks lore. I don't even have the Paladin and I find this nerf stupid.


they're just bringing it more in line with the other weapons it most closely resembles-the Valiant and the Black Widow. Combined with the damage buff, it is now truly the 3 shot sniper it has always wanted to be!

LOL no. It is supposed to be king of the hand cannons. Now it is a Valiant in disguise.


It's ok, pistols aren't the only weapons types that secretly want to be sniper rifles. I mean, just look at the Grall and the Saber!

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Just woke up and saw the changes, nice, nice indeed. Decoy/turret/drone changes was kind of a let down, but it will be manageable.

TexasToast712 wrote...

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LOL no. It is supposed to be king of the hand cannons. Now it is a Valiant in disguise.


Which is still a pistol

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TexasToast712 wrote...

Blissey1 wrote...

TexasToast712 wrote...

Why the hell was the Paladin mag size nerfed? This pisses me off. I like it when games stick to lore. By lore the Paladin has a 4 shot mag. Put it back.


you really will come up with any reason to protest nerfs to handcannons, won't you? Lore? Really?

It doesn't make any sense for them to nerf it's mag size. Even if it breaks lore. I don't even have the Paladin and I find this nerf stupid.


This is coming form the "Bioware knows best" guy.  How ironic...

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#172
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Atheosis wrote...

TexasToast712 wrote...

Blissey1 wrote...

TexasToast712 wrote...

Why the hell was the Paladin mag size nerfed? This pisses me off. I like it when games stick to lore. By lore the Paladin has a 4 shot mag. Put it back.


you really will come up with any reason to protest nerfs to handcannons, won't you? Lore? Really?

It doesn't make any sense for them to nerf it's mag size. Even if it breaks lore. I don't even have the Paladin and I find this nerf stupid.


This is coming form the "Bioware knows best" guy.  How ironic...

There are days when developers seem to have their derp helmets on. In regards to the Paladin changes, today was one of them. I don't think it needed ANY changes. It's DPS is already crazy enough and its weight and spare ammo never bothered me. 

How shocking it must be for you to realize I actually do care about weapon balance and not just about the game revolving around pistols. (Although that would be freaking awesome if true. :lol:)

Modifié par TexasToast712, 18 avril 2012 - 05:10 .


#173
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Phaeston and Geth stuff is still pretty underwhelming in terms of damage versus gold.

Modifié par Xaijin, 18 avril 2012 - 05:34 .


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billy the squid wrote...

Nice buffs to the Geth weapons, I may consider using these on my Geth character now.


They were already awesome on Geth characters. Rifle is epic with distruptor ammo, AP/ammo mods, hunter mode, and overload spam. And I was using a pure powers increased geth, no weapon buffs at all.

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Assault Rifles don't need a major damage buff, armor just needs to be tweaked. Knocking off 50 points of damage for a weapon class where most guns don't actually hit for 50 points of damage is stupid.