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[KingKhan03]

 

Dridengx wrote...

Akeotwawki wrote...

Well, finally, an end to the lie that a vocal 'minority' are unhappy with the ending(s).

How many people were in this poll again? how many users are registered on BSN? How many people purchased ME3? majority you say? lulz you can't put an end to anything without proof, proof you simply do not have

Just like how you claim that the people who dislike the ending are a minority where is your proof? oh that's right you also have no proof. "lulz"

Modifié par KingKhan03, 18 avril 2012 - 12:07 .

[lillitheris]

Dridengx wrote...

Akeotwawki wrote...

Well, finally, an end to the lie that a vocal 'minority' are unhappy with the ending(s).

How many people were in this poll again? how many users are registered on BSN? How many people purchased ME3? majority you say? lulz you can't put an end to anything without proof, proof you simply do not have

If it's BioWare's internal prescreen* poll, you can assume it's fairly representative.


* I'm not sure why the article uses ‘leaked’.

Modifié par lillitheris, 18 avril 2012 - 12:09 .

[Ziggeh]

lillitheris wrote...
If it's BioWare's internal prescreen* poll, you can assume it's fairly representative.

Experience has taught me to never trust a poll without seeing it's methodology. It's mention on a third part blog without sourcing leaves me doubly dubious.

[sth88]

Good article

[Element Zero]

GiarcYekrub wrote...

I like the ending so do my friends that play it, only seen people on the internet hate it. i suspect half of those just watched it on youtube out of context. also i havent seen a consistent complaint about it just alot of individuals with there own ending

I have yet to meet anyone who doesn't absolutely hate it. I work in a major electronics store, and I hear this game's ending mocked at least once per day, six weeks after its release.

There are six employees I'd describe as dedicated fans of the series and studio. These fans are the most disappointed. People laughed at the level of anger the game caused, and then swore off ever trying it, when the anger endured the passage of weeks.

[xsdob]

Akeotwawki wrote...

xsdob wrote...

So from the fringe element here saying that the endings suck you take it as being the entire fandom saying the endings suck? That's just stupid.

You have a point that the 'entire fandom' isn't saying it sucks. However calling us a 'fringe element' has pretty much been disproved, What do you call the people Bioware polled - of which 90% said the ending blows?

You, me, the moderators, everyone who comes here is but a tiny part of the fandom. I'm talking about how all the thousands of people here do not compare to the hundreds of thousands not here.

They may not like the ending, but nothing suggest that they hate it enough to want it changed.

[sherman9800]

I can safely say, random people of all fan levels that I've met so far have been disappointed with the ending, my swtor guild included.

My gf played it first and I specifically told her not to tell me the ending. Only to finish on my own and go wtf... what ending did you pick?! She would never visit any forums unless she was totally furious but she wasnt totally happy with the ending either.

If you know anything about business you know that if there are people unhappy with your product, there are a lot more that are either too apathetic to say anything or have better things to do. But they wont tell their friends to buy it like they would if they were blown away.

[DangerousPuddy]

Yeah, the people that post here are just dedicated fans. I was a dedicated fan all the way back to ME1 but never bothered to make an account and post.

BSN just represents the majority as a minority. People at work, school, in other games via XBL all say the same thing. Plus other sites all over the net agree, youtube.

It's pretty damning evidence that this was a huge let down.

[PsyrenY]

The real question is - how many of those 90% will be satisfied with clarification DLC?

[chcknwng]

Ziggeh wrote...

lillitheris wrote...
If it's BioWare's internal prescreen* poll, you can assume it's fairly representative.

Experience has taught me to never trust a poll without seeing it's methodology. It's mention on a third part blog without sourcing leaves me doubly dubious.

Word.

If the poll really existed and it was a well designed one I would believe it. Otherwise statistical methodology says we are just the minority. If you disagree, I suggest you apply to Stanford/UWisc/UWash/Purdue department of statistics and spend the next 5 years there dissaproving this assertion rather than venting on BSN.

[Bill Casey]

Optimystic_X wrote...

The real question is - how many of those 90% will be satisfied with clarification DLC?

It depends on what it is, honestly...
It could be anything...

Almost everyone praises the conclusion to the genophage plotline, The Quarian/Geth saga is fairly well received. Many other sections of the game are considered perfectly fine, and still others suffer from only minor nitpicking...
People also seem to be generally positive about the exchange between Shepard, Anderson and The Illusive Man at the end...

Besides the ending, the things people tend to dislike are Kai Leng and Diana Allers. One, you get to kick off your ship, and the other you get to stab with a sword punch. I won't say which is which...

[AntonioA9011]

Well, I'm part of the 2% that say that the entire game was flawed and needs revision, but that's just me. Hopefully, someday there will be a Mass Effect 3.5. The whole goddamn game just failed to live up to my expectations. And yes the ending sucks and I'm kind of accepting the IT now.

[Frybread76]

Optimystic_X wrote...

The real question is - how many of those 90% will be satisfied with clarification DLC?

I think there are many people who will not be happy until Casper the Star Child is written out of the script, but that won't happen from what I've gleaned from BioWare/EA's statements.

[Frybread76]

AntonioA9011 wrote...

Well, I'm part of the 2% that say that the entire game was flawed and needs revision, but that's just me. Hopefully, someday there will be a Mass Effect 3.5. The whole goddamn game just failed to live up to my expectations. And yes the ending sucks and I'm kind of accepting the IT now.

You're not alone.  I also think ME3 is mediocre and has many problems including the terrible journal, lackluster side quests, awkward animations, complete dissing of the ME2 LI's and squad mates, etc.

[Banelash]

Dridengx wrote...

Akeotwawki wrote...

Well, finally, an end to the lie that a vocal 'minority' are unhappy with the ending(s).

How many people were in this poll again? how many users are registered on BSN? How many people purchased ME3? majority you say? lulz you can't put an end to anything without proof, proof you simply do not have

Its Dridengx the ignorant little troll again! A post with facts won't be the same without the ignorant little troll..

[Bellarmine360]

[omphaloskepsis]

wngmv wrote...

Ziggeh wrote...

lillitheris wrote...
If it's BioWare's internal prescreen* poll, you can assume it's fairly representative.

Experience has taught me to never trust a poll without seeing it's methodology. It's mention on a third part blog without sourcing leaves me doubly dubious.

Word.

If the poll really existed and it was a well designed one I would believe it. Otherwise statistical methodology says we are just the minority. If you disagree, I suggest you apply to Stanford/UWisc/UWash/Purdue department of statistics and spend the next 5 years there dissaproving this assertion rather than venting on BSN.

If the methodology is bad, than stats don't say we're the minority--they say nothing at all.  A  representative sample of 2000 people is more than enough to extrapolate to the entire population (though getting a representative sample isn't trivial).

Than again, marketing says that loyal customers, especially the upper-tier ones, are far more valuable than regular customers.  IIRC, by an order of magnitude or more.  Marketing also says that only 4% of unhappy customers complain.  So losing a large percent of their most loyal fans is a catastrophe.

All of this is speculation, though, and will continue to be until DA3 and probably the next BW game after that.  In about 3 - 5 years we'll have a pretty good idea about the severity of the damage.

[AntonioA9011]

Frybread76 wrote...

AntonioA9011 wrote...

Well, I'm part of the 2% that say that the entire game was flawed and needs revision, but that's just me. Hopefully, someday there will be a Mass Effect 3.5. The whole goddamn game just failed to live up to my expectations. And yes the ending sucks and I'm kind of accepting the IT now.

You're not alone.  I also think ME3 is mediocre and has many problems including the terrible journal, lackluster side quests, awkward animations, complete dissing of the ME2 LI's and squad mates, etc.

Great minds think alike.

Hey, man, when you say akward animations, do you mean the abundant times in the game where a character is speaking to an NPC and the NPC disappears totally and it looks like the character is speaking to a ghost? That spooked me! Not because it looks like the character is pulling some Haley Joel Osmet vibe, but because of how rushed it made the overall game look. I've never, not once, seen that on any other Mass Effect title except ME3.

Don't even get me started on ME3's complete dismissing of any character that wasn't on ME1. I will honestly tell you I think ME3 is a piece of ****.

Modifié par AntonioA9011, 18 avril 2012 - 03:50 .

[Sohlito]

Bellarmine360 wrote...

[Banelash]

do they have a fourth option?

[Richard 060]

Banelash wrote...

do they have a fourth option?

Only if we get one as well! 

[Veloric Wu]

Bellarmine360 wrote...

This made my day!

[Frybread76]

AntonioA9011 wrote...

Frybread76 wrote...

AntonioA9011 wrote...

Well, I'm part of the 2% that say that the entire game was flawed and needs revision, but that's just me. Hopefully, someday there will be a Mass Effect 3.5. The whole goddamn game just failed to live up to my expectations. And yes the ending sucks and I'm kind of accepting the IT now.

You're not alone.  I also think ME3 is mediocre and has many problems including the terrible journal, lackluster side quests, awkward animations, complete dissing of the ME2 LI's and squad mates, etc.

Great minds think alike.

Hey, man, when you say akward animations, do you mean the abundant times in the game where a character is speaking to an NPC and the NPC disappears totally and it looks like the character is speaking to a ghost? That spooked me! Not because it looks like the character is pulling some Haley Joel Osmet vibe, but because of how rushed it made the overall game look. I've never, not once, seen that on any other Mass Effect title except ME3.

Don't even get me started on ME3's complete dismissing of any character that wasn't on ME1. I will honestly tell you I think ME3 is a piece of ****.

Yes, there are time when Shepard would be talking to say, Liara, but he would have his head turned around almost 180 degrees staring at Glyph.  There also are parts of the beginning when you are talking to Anderson when Shepard's animations just look stiff or something.

[soulprovider]

wasteland.........

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[NickelToe]

Its pretty obvious by now that this ending forced out by Casey and Mac is not sitting well with folks. I understand the fear some loyal fans have about Bioware's continued drop in quality also. If too many people are dissatisfied and DLC plus future releases don't hit expectations, do not doubt EA will take harsh action and some of the more loyal fans will lose the developer they have a lot of emotional stake in. That is the market though, the developer with the desirable product mixed with good business strategy in getting their product known wins. Bioware has the rep, sure its dimished, but quality and buy on preorder sales will drop most likely due to the hit in their reputation. Even with EA they were considered that developer that took care of their customer, this whole Casey and Mac ending has shown that it was lip service to some extent meaning that some will see them for the Company they are, caring when it costs nothing and only taking a stand when the alternative is more cost.

That being said, Bioware at the top level is fearful to give in, fans deciding on their product is a "no no" to most Corporate Management. Corporate management has a lot of checks and balances to justify large salaries for non-producing employees, fans being a another check is too much for most management to handle.

Hopefully they see that their rep does not have the power anymore to cause fans to overlook simplistic game design, constant downgrading of game play options game to game and lower standards.

ME1 was ambitious and had issues I heard on the console. I dont play shooters on the console so I would not know. I got it when it came out for the PC and loved almost all of it. The exploration of the planets especially.

ME2 was a reduction in functional gameplay. No exploration unless you consider 2d space travel clicking exploration (which ME1 had too.) Reduced options for player classes, 4 spec points per ability. Gear of War style cover is required now. Story line was decent. I would have like to remain a loyal Marine the second I received command of the Normandy but it was a good and calculative risk making Shep work for Cerberus to fight the Reapers and for the most part made sense to protect colonists that are human specific.

ME3 - From journal to Hub areas to explore this game removed almost all semblance with ME1. This game is a total shooter. They looked at dollar bills in Multiplayer microtransaction. You want to know where you money went to be able to complete a proper ending, it went into developing their Microtransaction system. The shooter aspect of point/click was more refined and classes got a little more depth but that does not make up for skimping on every other aspect of the game. I know Ranoch was great, ending killed it. Curing the Genophage (or not) was great, ending killed it. Once the ending basically made every other part of the story not matter, then the other problems with the game from the journal to price gouging through Multiplayer became glaring eyesores.

That is the part of this fiasco that I do not think they understand. The rest of the games problems are no longer being overlooked due to the horrid ending that totally steps away from the rest of the journey. Hopefully someone with enough power there catches on to this.