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[BiancoAngelo7]

LOL

90%?

Just....*sigh*


Really Bioware?......le sigh.

[Necroscope]

Yet it is still not enough for BW to admit that something went wrong.

[clarkusdarkus]

and yet still they were shocked at PAX? man they couldnt be any further out of touch, they took a sci-fi masterpiece with a hardcore following and royally messed it up completely that i dont see any way back for them and us unfortunatley.

[mumwaldee369]

The question is, will we get a new ending before EA goes under?

finance.yahoo.com/echarts

[Ziggeh]

mumwaldee369 wrote...

The question is, will we get a new ending before EA goes under?

finance.yahoo.com/echarts

Erm. That chart has an awful lot of down trends on it. Some are more severe than the current one, which itself only just nullifies a recent upturn.

None of them led to the end of the company.

[mumwaldee369]

Ziggeh wrote...

mumwaldee369 wrote...

The question is, will we get a new ending before EA goes under?

finance.yahoo.com/echarts

Erm. That chart has an awful lot of down trends on it. Some are more severe than the current one, which itself only just nullifies a recent upturn.

None of them led to the end of the company.

Hey grab that chair would you and put it over here.  I'll tell the band to keep playiing jaunty tunes.

*anything that loses nearly 40% of its value in 6 months is in danger of going away.

Modifié par mumwaldee369, 18 avril 2012 - 11:00 .

[M0keys]

Ziggeh wrote...

mumwaldee369 wrote...

The question is, will we get a new ending before EA goes under?

finance.yahoo.com/echarts

Erm. That chart has an awful lot of down trends on it. Some are more severe than the current one, which itself only just nullifies a recent upturn.

None of them led to the end of the company.

EA's stocks haven't been this low since the year 2000. I don't think it's smart to dismiss it, and I certainly don't think EA or its stockholders are.

[ninjaman001]

M0keys wrote...

Ziggeh wrote...

mumwaldee369 wrote...

The question is, will we get a new ending before EA goes under?

finance.yahoo.com/echarts

Erm. That chart has an awful lot of down trends on it. Some are more severe than the current one, which itself only just nullifies a recent upturn.

None of them led to the end of the company.

EA's stocks haven't been this low since the year 2000. I don't think it's smart to dismiss it, and I certainly don't think EA or its stockholders are.

I hope this is a case where a company changes their greasy practices based on diminishing returns, either that or disappear and stop sucking the life out of the industry.

[Ziggeh]

M0keys wrote...

EA's stocks haven't been this low since the year 2000. I don't think it's smart to dismiss it, and I certainly don't think EA or its stockholders are.

Perhaps I'm reading that wrong, but that says it was lower in january 2011. And I'm not saying it's dismissable, that would be a bizarrely absolutist statement. I'm saying that expecting it to go to zero because it's been going down for a bit is lunacy. Stocks go up and stocks go down because that's what stocks do.

[translationninja]

Torrible wrote...

 Damn, this thread moves fast. Anyway I did a small experiment. I logged in to an account that has no games registered and I was able to vote in this poll: 
 http://social.biowar...06/polls/28989/ 

Proves that no ownership of the game (and by extension any knowledge of the ending) is needed to order to vote. The forums couldn't detect that I have essentially voted twice.

What exactly are you trying to prove? That there is AN ARMY of satisfied ME3 customers? Where are they? Simply put:

a) yes, the burden of disproving samples for bias is indeed on the one questioning the sample size and method, not the other way around.

All you are doing is questiong polls based on personal disbelief, not any type of scientifc method.

the "skewed by bias" factor you suggest seems to be massive, however, if that was indeed the case, then there would be a "counter initiative AT LEAST as big as that of the people who want the ending changed. Because this silent, hidden, invisible majority you seem to suggest may not come out to announce their satisfaction with the product, however, on the interwebz, as soon as people get lumped in somewhere they don't feel they belong to they get VERY vocal.

So, if any of your assertions had any base, where are those protesting "no I loved it!" ?

All I see is the same 9 or 10 people all over the interwebz pretending that this silent invisible army of ending proponents just can't be assed to say bleep SOMEWHERE.

I'm sorry to say, but your arguing like someone that is in denial and just doesn't want to accept the truth.

[Ziggeh]

translationninja wrote...
a) yes, the burden of disproving samples for bias is indeed on the one questioning the sample size and method, not the other way around.

What? Good lord no. That would be like saying the burden of proof on scientific discovery is
on the ones questioning a paper. Bias is something that's assumed and you have to prove it's been eradicated before your data is of value.

[translationninja]

Ziggeh wrote...

translationninja wrote...
a) yes, the burden of disproving samples for bias is indeed on the one questioning the sample size and method, not the other way around.

What? Good lord no. That would be like saying the burden of proof on scientific discovery is
on the ones questioning a paper. Bias is something that's assumed and you have to prove it's been eradicated before your data is of value.

Uhm, ya, kinda expressed myself a bit flimsy there. You do of course state how you have accounted for bias in the introduction, but after that it's up to the one questioning that method to prove why he deems your accounting for bias insufficent.

[Ziggeh]

translationninja wrote...
Uhm, ya, kinda expressed myself a bit flimsy there. You do of course state how you have accounted for bias in the introduction, but after that it's up to the one questioning that method to prove why he deems your accounting for bias insufficent.

Yeah, that's fair to say. Personally I think the standard should be massive amounts of detail, but that's mainly because I've had to literally ring people up to ask how the questions were worded.

[Kunari801]

TonViper wrote...

GiarcYekrub wrote...

I like the ending so do my friends that play it, only seen people on the internet hate it. i suspect half of those just watched it on youtube out of context. also i havent seen a consistent complaint about it just alot of individuals with there own ending

I, on the other hand hasn't found a single player in real life who liked it: I didn't like it, my brother didn't like it, and the guys who work at the gamestop where I bought it don't like it either.

I know over a dozen people who are Mass Effect fans, we've talked about ME for years, hell, they were the guys who got ME to play Mass Effect (I got into ME just before ME2 launched).    NONE of them like the ending!  We're all early 20's to early 40's. 

The most positive comment was, "It was disapointing" 

Compare that to the consenus of ME2, "OMG that was !@#$@!-ing awesome!"  was pretty much the concensus. 

Modifié par Kunari801, 18 avril 2012 - 11:43 .

[translationninja]

Ziggeh wrote...

translationninja wrote...
Uhm, ya, kinda expressed myself a bit flimsy there. You do of course state how you have accounted for bias in the introduction, but after that it's up to the one questioning that method to prove why he deems your accounting for bias insufficent.

Yeah, that's fair to say. Personally I think the standard should be massive amounts of detail, but that's mainly because I've had to literally ring people up to ask how the questions were worded.

Despite hating the endings fervently I'm still open to be proven wrong in terms of what the general perception is. I just reject the notion of blanket statements like "all numbers must be wrong because it's the interwebz.

Hence, my being a bit snippish in that post.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

So interesting. The article says that when the endings were screened to people who had played the games up through or at least ME2 the day before release, 90% said the endings sucked. And to think we players who screamed were the vocal minority.

[Ziggeh]

translationninja wrote...

Despite hating the endings fervently I'm still open to be proven wrong in terms of what the general perception is. I just reject the notion of blanket statements like "all numbers must be wrong because it's the interwebz.

Hence, my being a bit snippish in that post.

Ah, well, that's unfortunately the nature of the polls themselves, rather than being specifically an internet thing. You get many of the same problems with polls conducted by stopping people in the street.  What the chap with two accounts proved definitely is a potential issue, but there are many more.

[The Spamming Troll]

if its not obvious right now what direction bioware is going with its gamers(downward spiral) then time will tell.

im not worried about biowares future. they arent making another game like ME1, so whats my reason......for being here........

[mumwaldee369]

The Spamming Troll wrote...

if its not obvious right now what direction bioware is going with its gamers(downward spiral) then time will tell.

im not worried about biowares future. they arent making another game like ME1, so whats my reason......for being here........

To witness the trainwreck obv.

[Kunari801]

The Spamming Troll wrote...

... they arent making another game like ME1, so whats my reason......for being here........

I know many are bitter of the ending, but I hope they do make more games like Mass Effect, I even hope they make more in the ME universe.  

Save the ending, ME3 was totally a 5-star game.   It improved on mechanics ME2 which impoved on ME1.   I did miss the hacking of lock-boxes from ME2. 

[Storm258]

Funnily, I really can think of why this is actually good for the industry. At least if that's what this article is supposed to say, I admit I didn't read all of it as it's quite late.

But still ... with this ending controvery and discussion more people might get interested in Mass Effect or even in gaming in general. It is obvious if there's such a loud outcry about an ending of a video game, the game itself must be really really good, otherwise such a huge disappointment wouldn't be possible.

And I actually experienced it myself. After I completed ME 3 I was, as many others, pretty down and felt depressed, frustrated, simply sad. So my girlfriend ask why I was in such a bad mood. So I told her all about Mass Effect, how much I grew to care about the characters, how awesome the story is, how realistic the universe feels and everything, and how much of a huge disappointment the ending was.
First, I was afraid she would think of this as being quite, you know, freaky, weird, or just scary that her boyfriend would have such strong negative feelings about something as a video game.
But as I spoke to her for more than an hour, she understood more and more why I cared so much about ME, it's universe and it's characters, and in the end she said: "Hey wow, for a game to let you experience such strong feelings and attachment to it's characters and universe, I actually now want to play it myself!" And I've got to mention her that my girlfriend usually never plays any kind of video game or is interested in them, and still suddenly she was actually tolerant and interested in the medium and ME in particular.

Amazing what such thing as a video game ending can do ... but I still told hor not to play any of the games before I've seen the EC DLC myself ...

Modifié par Storm258, 19 avril 2012 - 12:07 .

[Akeotwawki]

Vormaerin wrote...

Akeotwawki wrote...

Well, finally, an end to the lie that a vocal 'minority' are unhappy with the ending(s).

If any significant number of people were actually arguing that point, you might have one of your own.

Very
few, if any, people think that only a vocal minority is unhappy with
the endings.   What was being rejected was the idea that an huge
majority *hated* the ending.   And, especially, the idea that any self
selecting, poorly structured polls were proof of anything about the
numbers of anything.

Even more ludicrous is the idea that because
a lot of people don't like the current endings, that means they support
some particular vision of how the ending should be changed.  Or even
support the idea that it should be changed at all.

Forumites,
being especially active fans, tend to get into a zone where they think
that the majority of the playerbase thinks or acts like they do.  For
most games, less than 5% of the player base ever visits the forums.  
Most don't mess with custom characters and most don't replay the game
even if the ending is good.

NWN is a perfect example...  the vast
majority of NWN players never downloaded any online content, yet nearly
every active person on the forums did. And most played on multiplayer
servers.   IIRC, for Dragon Age: Origins, the datamining showed that the
majority of gamers played a human male fighter and that was it.   And
so on.

Sorry, but a lot of people disliking the ending doesn't say anything at all about whether or how it should be changed.

Wow.
Unless I'm totally misunderstanding you, you assumed a lot from that one statement!
I was refering to Bioware, IGN, etc., who were being very dismissive, implying that only a handful of players were actually unhappy with the endings but that they were very vocal about it. I never said anything about whether or not a majority of people wanted to change it, etc. That's all.

Modifié par Akeotwawki, 19 avril 2012 - 06:11 .

[RocketManSR2]

mumwaldee369 wrote...

The Spamming Troll wrote...

if its not obvious right now what direction bioware is going with its gamers(downward spiral) then time will tell.

im not worried about biowares future. they arent making another game like ME1, so whats my reason......for being here........

To witness the trainwreck obv.

No matter what BioWare does, the two locomotives are speeding towards each other as I type.

[Akeotwawki]

Vigil_N7 wrote...

If on-line polls were of any relevance, Ron Paul would be the front-runner to become the next president of the United States of America.

All that on-line poll shows is obviously, that 90% of the people who voted disliked it. However, first of that could be 90% out of 100, 90% out of 1000, etc. It doesn't give a true representation of the entire player base.

Secondly, people are always going to be more vocal about something they disliked, that's just the way things work. Most people who enjoyed the game probably have moved on or have re-played it, not spending their time on BSN.

Mass Effect 3 sold over two million copies, you really think 1.8 million people were dissatisfied with the ending?

But of course, people once again frantically latch onto any "evidence" they can to "prove" their point.

You should read the article, it was well done. It wasn't referencing a forum poll. It was Bioware's own internal poll. Having beta tested a game (once) I know for a fact that they poll testers for their feedback about various issues. They use known volunteers and hired professionals to test games and provide feedback. I(BTW, these testers sign confidentiality agreements) I'm certain they polled their testers and apparently 90% said the endings sucked.
That's pretty damning.


It's an even bigger surprise that - given BW knew they had a potentially big problem on their hands, they seemed to ignore it. Why didn't they get their PR department geared up to handle it? Coming out a month later with "I meant to do that" and  "artisitc integrity' defense was a major fumble. I'm hoping someone got called onto the carpet for it, though we'll probably never know.

Modifié par Akeotwawki, 19 avril 2012 - 06:24 .

[Torrible]

translationninja wrote...

Torrible wrote...

 Damn, this thread moves fast. Anyway I did a small experiment. I logged in to an account that has no games registered and I was able to vote in this poll: 
 http://social.biowar...06/polls/28989/ 

Proves that no ownership of the game (and by extension any knowledge of the ending) is needed to order to vote. The forums couldn't detect that I have essentially voted twice.

What exactly are you trying to prove? That there is AN ARMY of satisfied ME3 customers? Where are they? Simply put:

a) yes, the burden of disproving samples for bias is indeed on the one questioning the sample size and method, not the other way around.

All you are doing is questiong polls based on personal disbelief, not any type of scientifc method.

the "skewed by bias" factor you suggest seems to be massive, however, if that was indeed the case, then there would be a "counter initiative AT LEAST as big as that of the people who want the ending changed. Because this silent, hidden, invisible majority you seem to suggest may not come out to announce their satisfaction with the product, however, on the interwebz, as soon as people get lumped in somewhere they don't feel they belong to they get VERY vocal.

So, if any of your assertions had any base, where are those protesting "no I loved it!" ?

All I see is the same 9 or 10 people all over the interwebz pretending that this silent invisible army of ending proponents just can't be assed to say bleep SOMEWHERE.

I'm sorry to say, but your arguing like someone that is in denial and just doesn't want to accept the truth.

I'm not making any assertions that there is 'AN ARMY of satisfied ME3 customers'. Way to jump to conclusions. If you had followed the thread, I was countering people (albeit only a couple) who claimed that the poll is accurate because you needed the game to vote.