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Elyiia wrote...

I updated the save editor, it's a lot more user friendly and it's given me the option to not have acquired James. Going to try again and see what happens.


How does that work? James is one of the 3 squaddies that are required, removing him would cause results that aren't supposed to happen, like how you can make Miranda be taken away by the seeker swarms despite the fact it's not possible to replicate in the game.

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How much can we trust a "forced" result from messing with IDs, though? I am still interested in the result, but it doesn't really prove anything if it's impossible to get the IDs set that way legitimately in-game.

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Our_Last_Scene wrote...

Elyiia wrote...

I updated the save editor, it's a lot more user friendly and it's given me the option to not have acquired James. Going to try again and see what happens.


How does that work? James is one of the 3 squaddies that are required, removing him would cause results that aren't supposed to happen, like how you can make Miranda be taken away by the seeker swarms despite the fact it's not possible to replicate in the game.


Well, all I know is EDI didn't walk out even with the odds stacked in favour of her walking out. It just doesn't seem to happen. If someone can prove me wrong I'll be happy but until then I am agreeing with you, she doesn't walk out.

I did it because I figure if it doesn't happen when EDI is the only squad member, it's not going to happen.

For the record, it seems to default to VS and Vega.

Modifié par Elyiia, 18 avril 2012 - 02:47 .


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Actually my only theory to why EDI and the Geth could survive is that the Catalyst only knows synthetic life as he knows it. the Reapers. the Reapers are like Geth platforms and vulnerable. good chance he does not know that in this cycle must AIs exist in servers and not in mobile units. What it really comes down to is how much shielding against space magic pulse do Geth data centers have. I would imagine the Normandy is well shielded since it has survived everything else.

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So apparently EDI's walking out is just a bug after all... if it did ever happen...
I can make a speedrun with everyone but Liara Vega and EDI dead (or can you kill Vega?) and NEVER talk with anyone but her, just to be sure, but I don't think it will help any/
plus I am really afraid of the patch
Thank you, Elyiia, for spending so much time on this

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You can't kill Vega. Without forcing it through a save editor you have to have Liara, Vega and EDI. Make sure you don't recruit Javik either cause his conversation bug definitely screws with the choice of who leaves the ship.

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Our_Last_Scene wrote...

Elyiia wrote...

I updated the save editor, it's a lot more user friendly and it's given me the option to not have acquired James. Going to try again and see what happens.


How does that work? James is one of the 3 squaddies that are required, removing him would cause results that aren't supposed to happen, like how you can make Miranda be taken away by the seeker swarms despite the fact it's not possible to replicate in the game.


What i enjoy better is having someone who died in ME1 walking off the damn ship or did you miss that little gem? Im not saying she survives, im saying there is a bug that says she does.

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Elyiia wrote...

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

Elyiia wrote...

I updated the save editor, it's a lot more user friendly and it's given me the option to not have acquired James. Going to try again and see what happens.


How does that work? James is one of the 3 squaddies that are required, removing him would cause results that aren't supposed to happen, like how you can make Miranda be taken away by the seeker swarms despite the fact it's not possible to replicate in the game.


Well, all I know is EDI didn't walk out even with the odds stacked in favour of her walking out. It just doesn't seem to happen. If someone can prove me wrong I'll be happy but until then I am agreeing with you, she doesn't walk out.

I did it because I figure if it doesn't happen when EDI is the only squad member, it's not going to happen.

For the record, it seems to default to VS and Vega.


Well at least you have done more than enough to help dispel this myth, thank you for that.

The hard part is getting this information out there as well as all the misinformation about her surviving has.

Modifié par Our_Last_Scene, 18 avril 2012 - 02:54 .


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Joker and your crew are callous jerks. None seem sad that you or anyone else is dead. :P Don't think it's point in proof that EDI is alive. She wanted too much commitment from him anyway. She was suffocating him!

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Quietness wrote...

What i enjoy better is having someone who died in ME1 walking off the damn ship or did you miss that little gem? Im not saying she survives, im saying there is a bug that says she does.


The problem with this is someone else could make the claim that it's not a bug, and is actually intentional. That would be a fine conversation to have, but first we'd need some proof of her actually walking off the Normandy before we can argue about whether or not it's intentional.

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What makes EDI any different from another machine? She doesn't have organic material does she? If she doesn't then the only thing that separates her from a Mech is that she has nice curves and has AI. AI is not synthetics. So if destroy destroys EDI, then it destroys any machine.

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I think we are meant to speculate.

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Anyone that used EDI has one of their most used squad mates (the presumed method for who steps off the Normandy) fancy replaying the ending, choosing destroy and filming it?

If the save game editor can change who your most used squad mates were I'll give it a shot.

But yeah the Bioware community manager confirmed that EDI surviving destroy is not a bug. She said it was because she has no Reaper tech, which makes no sense since the Catalyst said all synthetics, not only Reaper tech. But she also said the Catalyst is an unreliable source of information.


It seems to be, Joker + LI + random with me. I have had Javik and Liara step off as 3rd person, and neither of them get much game time with me.

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Master Che wrote...

What makes EDI any different from another machine? She doesn't have organic material does she? If she doesn't then the only thing that separates her from a Mech is that she has nice curves and has AI. AI is not synthetics. So if destroy destroys EDI, then it destroys any machine.


The difference is the Reaper code used to rebuild EDI after the Luna incident. Like the Reaper code we use to upgrade the Geth.

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can you edit you EMS via the save editor?

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Elyiia wrote...

Master Che wrote...

What makes EDI any different from another machine? She doesn't have organic material does she? If she doesn't then the only thing that separates her from a Mech is that she has nice curves and has AI. AI is not synthetics. So if destroy destroys EDI, then it destroys any machine.


The difference is the Reaper code used to rebuild EDI after the Luna incident. Like the Reaper code we use to upgrade the Geth.


Was the reaper code used in the Crucible project?

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Master Che wrote...

Elyiia wrote...

Master Che wrote...

What makes EDI any different from another machine? She doesn't have organic material does she? If she doesn't then the only thing that separates her from a Mech is that she has nice curves and has AI. AI is not synthetics. So if destroy destroys EDI, then it destroys any machine.


The difference is the Reaper code used to rebuild EDI after the Luna incident. Like the Reaper code we use to upgrade the Geth.


Was the reaper code used in the Crucible project?


If it was all it would do is destroy the Crucible along with the Citadel.

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Our_Last_Scene wrote...

Master Che wrote...

Elyiia wrote...

Master Che wrote...

What makes EDI any different from another machine? She doesn't have organic material does she? If she doesn't then the only thing that separates her from a Mech is that she has nice curves and has AI. AI is not synthetics. So if destroy destroys EDI, then it destroys any machine.


The difference is the Reaper code used to rebuild EDI after the Luna incident. Like the Reaper code we use to upgrade the Geth.


Was the reaper code used in the Crucible project?


If it was all it would do is destroy the Crucible along with the Citadel.


I looked up the wikia and I don't see where the Reaper code factored into the Crucible.  So I'm not sure that I see how EDI would be killed other than going off of star brats words which implied Shepard would die too...and he's breathing at the end if you get a high enough EMS.

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Gexora wrote...

can you edit you EMS via the save editor?


Yes you can, with the latest version it's rather easy to. Under ME3 and integers or something.

http://social.biowar...index/9776690/1

Here's the info thread.

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What happens to the Normandy? Maybe EDI's body dies but the ship/EDI?  I am not referring to the crash landing, btw.  I don't expect any answers to that until EC.

Modifié par AnsinJung, 18 avril 2012 - 03:42 .


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Master Che wrote...

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

Master Che wrote...

Elyiia wrote...

Master Che wrote...

What makes EDI any different from another machine? She doesn't have organic material does she? If she doesn't then the only thing that separates her from a Mech is that she has nice curves and has AI. AI is not synthetics. So if destroy destroys EDI, then it destroys any machine.


The difference is the Reaper code used to rebuild EDI after the Luna incident. Like the Reaper code we use to upgrade the Geth.


Was the reaper code used in the Crucible project?


If it was all it would do is destroy the Crucible along with the Citadel.


I looked up the wikia and I don't see where the Reaper code factored into the Crucible.  So I'm not sure that I see how EDI would be killed other than going off of star brats words which implied Shepard would die too...and he's breathing at the end if you get a high enough EMS.


EDI has Reaper code, Geth have Reaper code. The destroy option destroys Reaper technology (and presumably Reaper code too). If you destroy a chuck of code, the file usually becomes corrupt and not usable.
Shepard doesn't have any Reaper technology in him, so it makes sense that he would live.

The way it seems to work is low EMS it's very coarse so it destroys basically everything. At medium EMS is seems to destroy all synthetics and people like Shepard who are partly synthetic. At high EMS it's more refined and targets only Reaper technology which is why Shepard lives.

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Elyiia wrote...


EDI has Reaper code, Geth have Reaper code. The destroy option destroys Reaper technology (and presumably Reaper code too). If you destroy a chuck of code, the file usually becomes corrupt and not usable.
Shepard doesn't have any Reaper technology in him, so it makes sense that he would live.

The way it seems to work is low EMS it's very coarse so it destroys basically everything. At medium EMS is seems to destroy all synthetics and people like Shepard who are partly synthetic. At high EMS it's more refined and targets only Reaper technology which is why Shepard lives.


I see your point, but I have to go off of what's in the game. Per The Catalyst, destroy destroys all sythetic life.  It doesn't say it's only limited to only things that have Reaper code.  The Cataylst implies Shepard could die, too, since he is part synthetic.  Assuming the Catalyst is telling the truth (as it knows it), then that means the Crucible isn't selective with the kind of synthetic life it will destroy.

...Are we SURE he didn't have Reaper tech...? 

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It just doesn't make any sense. The Normandy is EDI's body in a way, yet it doesn't get obliterated as the reapers get obliterated from the 'destruction' wave.

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Shepard is partly synthetic, he's a cyborg. His body is riddled with cybernetics and still he can survive the Destroy ending, and ONLY the Destroy ending. Space kid lies and EDI lives. Don't agree? Tough luck, speculations and such. Good day.

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Inxentas wrote...

Shepard is partly synthetic, he's a cyborg. His body is riddled with cybernetics and still he can survive the Destroy ending, and ONLY the Destroy ending. Space kid lies and EDI lives. Don't agree? Tough luck, speculations and such. Good day.


I agree.  At the risk of using a logical fallacy, Star Brat is basically the Reaper-in-Chief.  He's got a vested interest.  I don't trust him.