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[Ice Cold J]

[Elyiia]

Master Che wrote...

Elyiia wrote...


EDI has Reaper code, Geth have Reaper code. The destroy option destroys Reaper technology (and presumably Reaper code too). If you destroy a chuck of code, the file usually becomes corrupt and not usable.
Shepard doesn't have any Reaper technology in him, so it makes sense that he would live.

The way it seems to work is low EMS it's very coarse so it destroys basically everything. At medium EMS is seems to destroy all synthetics and people like Shepard who are partly synthetic. At high EMS it's more refined and targets only Reaper technology which is why Shepard lives.

I see your point, but I have to go off of what's in the game. Per The Catalyst, destroy destroys all sythetic life.  It doesn't say it's only limited to only things that have Reaper code.  The Cataylst implies Shepard could die, too, since he is part synthetic.  Assuming the Catalyst is telling the truth (as it knows it), then that means the Crucible isn't selective with the kind of synthetic life it will destroy.

...Are we SURE he didn't have Reaper tech...? 

Yes we're sure Shepard doesn't have any Reaper technology. Assumingly Star-Jar tells Shepard that he will die if he chooses destroy because it's the "worst" option. He does die in destroy unless you have high EMS anyway, which supports my theory.

[TJX2045]

Ice Cold J wrote...

+1 Internets.
All we have is lots of speculation.  Or of not you at least have your "proof" that EDI can't survive Destroy.  I see Starbrat as a liar so I believe that he's lying.  To be honest, since there are no cutscenes showing the synthetics either being alive or dead, all we have is speculation.

And considering all the work Miranda did to bring Shepard back, I'm pretty sure with all of that synthetic tech in his body he would have been a vegetable, or dead.  So that also gives me more reason to believe that the synthetics could have also lived.

And if the EC explains that Shepard actually does end up being a vegetable from that "easter egg" ending I got, I'm gonna...

Modifié par TJX2045, 19 avril 2012 - 04:06 .

[Cobra's_back]

Elyiia wrote...

Master Che wrote...

Elyiia wrote...


EDI has Reaper code, Geth have Reaper code. The destroy option destroys Reaper technology (and presumably Reaper code too). If you destroy a chuck of code, the file usually becomes corrupt and not usable.
Shepard doesn't have any Reaper technology in him, so it makes sense that he would live.

The way it seems to work is low EMS it's very coarse so it destroys basically everything. At medium EMS is seems to destroy all synthetics and people like Shepard who are partly synthetic. At high EMS it's more refined and targets only Reaper technology which is why Shepard lives.

I see your point, but I have to go off of what's in the game. Per The Catalyst, destroy destroys all sythetic life.  It doesn't say it's only limited to only things that have Reaper code.  The Cataylst implies Shepard could die, too, since he is part synthetic.  Assuming the Catalyst is telling the truth (as it knows it), then that means the Crucible isn't selective with the kind of synthetic life it will destroy.

...Are we SURE he didn't have Reaper tech...? 

Yes we're sure Shepard doesn't have any Reaper technology. Assumingly Star-Jar tells Shepard that he will die if he chooses destroy because it's the "worst" option. He does die in destroy unless you have high EMS anyway, which supports my theory.

I played MP and Shepard didn't die. EMS was 5000.

[Elyiia]

ghostbusters101 wrote...

Elyiia wrote...

Master Che wrote...

Elyiia wrote...


EDI has Reaper code, Geth have Reaper code. The destroy option destroys Reaper technology (and presumably Reaper code too). If you destroy a chuck of code, the file usually becomes corrupt and not usable.
Shepard doesn't have any Reaper technology in him, so it makes sense that he would live.

The way it seems to work is low EMS it's very coarse so it destroys basically everything. At medium EMS is seems to destroy all synthetics and people like Shepard who are partly synthetic. At high EMS it's more refined and targets only Reaper technology which is why Shepard lives.

I see your point, but I have to go off of what's in the game. Per The Catalyst, destroy destroys all sythetic life.  It doesn't say it's only limited to only things that have Reaper code.  The Cataylst implies Shepard could die, too, since he is part synthetic.  Assuming the Catalyst is telling the truth (as it knows it), then that means the Crucible isn't selective with the kind of synthetic life it will destroy.

...Are we SURE he didn't have Reaper tech...? 

Yes we're sure Shepard doesn't have any Reaper technology. Assumingly Star-Jar tells Shepard that he will die if he chooses destroy because it's the "worst" option. He does die in destroy unless you have high EMS anyway, which supports my theory.

I played MP and Shepard didn't die. EMS was 5000.

I had an EMS of 6,100 or so when I was testing to see if I could make EDI appear. I was saying that with EMS the destroy beam is so refined it only targets Reaper technology, not simply synthetics which is why we can see the breath scene with high EMS.

[Cobra's_back]

Elyiia wrote...

ghostbusters101 wrote...

Elyiia wrote...

Master Che wrote...

Elyiia wrote...


EDI has Reaper code, Geth have Reaper code. The destroy option destroys Reaper technology (and presumably Reaper code too). If you destroy a chuck of code, the file usually becomes corrupt and not usable.
Shepard doesn't have any Reaper technology in him, so it makes sense that he would live.

The way it seems to work is low EMS it's very coarse so it destroys basically everything. At medium EMS is seems to destroy all synthetics and people like Shepard who are partly synthetic. At high EMS it's more refined and targets only Reaper technology which is why Shepard lives.

I see your point, but I have to go off of what's in the game. Per The Catalyst, destroy destroys all sythetic life.  It doesn't say it's only limited to only things that have Reaper code.  The Cataylst implies Shepard could die, too, since he is part synthetic.  Assuming the Catalyst is telling the truth (as it knows it), then that means the Crucible isn't selective with the kind of synthetic life it will destroy.

...Are we SURE he didn't have Reaper tech...? 

Yes we're sure Shepard doesn't have any Reaper technology. Assumingly Star-Jar tells Shepard that he will die if he chooses destroy because it's the "worst" option. He does die in destroy unless you have high EMS anyway, which supports my theory.

I played MP and Shepard didn't die. EMS was 5000.

I had an EMS of 6,100 or so when I was testing to see if I could make EDI appear. I was saying that with EMS the destroy beam is so refined it only targets Reaper technology, not simply synthetics which is why we can see the breath scene with high EMS.

Did you see EDI? I had the DLC so I always see Javik.

[Elyiia]

No I didn't. I stacked the odds in favour of EDI coming out to the point where I made her the only squadmember left which isn't even possible without a save editor. EDI didn't appear but I did have the person who died on Virmire pop up :3

[Cobra's_back]

Elyiia wrote...

No I didn't. I stacked the odds in favour of EDI coming out to the point where I made her the only squadmember left which isn't even possible without a save editor. EDI didn't appear but I did have the person who died on Virmire pop up :3

Wow, that is really interesting. Thanks so much.

[Clayless]

ghostbusters101 wrote...

Elyiia wrote...

No I didn't. I stacked the odds in favour of EDI coming out to the point where I made her the only squadmember left which isn't even possible without a save editor. EDI didn't appear but I did have the person who died on Virmire pop up :3

Wow, that is really interesting. Thanks so much.

Yeah it's what this thread was about, dispelling that myth that EDI survives the destroy ending.

[Gexora]

My little bit in - made a speedrun with random Shepard, EDI Liara Vega only surviving squaddies, edited the war assets.
NEVER talked to anyone but EDI.
After destroy Liara and Vega were the ones who came out. So I guess it's prety much confirmed now that EDI surviving is at most random and rare bug and nothing else

[Clayless]

Gexora wrote...

My little bit in - made a speedrun with random Shepard, EDI Liara Vega only surviving squaddies, edited the war assets.
NEVER talked to anyone but EDI.
After destroy Liara and Vega were the ones who came out. So I guess it's prety much confirmed now that EDI surviving is at most random and rare bug and nothing else

I don't even think it's a glitch, I just don't think it's possible in the first place.

[Verit]

Our_Last_Scene wrote...
I don't even think it's a glitch, I just don't think it's possible in the first place.

I'm going through another playthrough just to try and verify this (using only LI and EDI as squadmates whenever possible), but if it really wasn't possible for EDI to survive then why would Bioware confirm it's not a glitch but working as intended? Unless they really have no clue either and don't want to admit it's a bug (would make sense after all their talk about how the ending matched their artistic vision).

[zambingo]

Starchild is a liar.

Shep can survive, EDI can survive. It's plausible to speculate much more can survive at that point too.

[NM_Che56]

Elyiia wrote...

Master Che wrote...

Elyiia wrote...


EDI has Reaper code, Geth have Reaper code. The destroy option destroys Reaper technology (and presumably Reaper code too). If you destroy a chuck of code, the file usually becomes corrupt and not usable.
Shepard doesn't have any Reaper technology in him, so it makes sense that he would live.

The way it seems to work is low EMS it's very coarse so it destroys basically everything. At medium EMS is seems to destroy all synthetics and people like Shepard who are partly synthetic. At high EMS it's more refined and targets only Reaper technology which is why Shepard lives.

I see your point, but I have to go off of what's in the game. Per The Catalyst, destroy destroys all sythetic life.  It doesn't say it's only limited to only things that have Reaper code.  The Cataylst implies Shepard could die, too, since he is part synthetic.  Assuming the Catalyst is telling the truth (as it knows it), then that means the Crucible isn't selective with the kind of synthetic life it will destroy.

...Are we SURE he didn't have Reaper tech...? 

Yes we're sure Shepard doesn't have any Reaper technology. Assumingly Star-Jar tells Shepard that he will die if he chooses destroy because it's the "worst" option. He does die in destroy unless you have high EMS anyway, which supports my theory.

How are you sure that the Lazarus Project didn't use Reaper tech?

Modifié par Master Che, 19 avril 2012 - 05:12 .

[NM_Che56]

Elyiia wrote...

No I didn't. I stacked the odds in favour of EDI coming out to the point where I made her the only squadmember left which isn't even possible without a save editor. EDI didn't appear but I did have the person who died on Virmire pop up :3

Wait. You used a save editor to manipulate that variable or you did it (pardon the pun) "organically"?

[Orthodox Infidel]

Elyiia wrote...

No I didn't. I stacked the odds in favour of EDI coming out to the point where I made her the only squadmember left which isn't even possible without a save editor. EDI didn't appear but I did have the person who died on Virmire pop up :3

Doing it that way can break the game logic in any number of ways, especially considering that the only squadmates who have plot-deaths are the VS and Tali. And Garrus can be dead if you import with him dead.

The definitive test of what the OP wants to test for would require an actual playthrough that I outlined earlier. Or a statement from Bioware where they describe the "who pops out of the ship" algorithm in detail.

[tanuki]

Elyiia can you actually check control ending too with the same parameters as you set for destroy, i.e. in favor of EDI? I am curious of that one. She suppose to come out for sure in control, right?

[Clayless]

-Draikin- wrote...

Our_Last_Scene wrote...
I don't even think it's a glitch, I just don't think it's possible in the first place.

I'm going through another playthrough just to try and verify this (using only LI and EDI as squadmates whenever possible), but if it really wasn't possible for EDI to survive then why would Bioware confirm it's not a glitch but working as intended? Unless they really have no clue either and don't want to admit it's a bug (would make sense after all their talk about how the ending matched their artistic vision).

Actually a lot of people claimed Bioware said that in this thread already but it turns out that's also hearsay.

[The Protheans]

EDI should be shot, starchild is an excessive liar.
I almost wanted Joker to push her off the cliff in the Destroy Ending

Modifié par The Protheans, 19 avril 2012 - 05:30 .

[Gexora]

guys, are you missing my pist? Like you, Orthodox Infidel. I have done the vanilla playthrough which had all odds in EDI's favor and she didn't come out. I can try destroy if it makes you feel better

[jbadm04]

2 playthrougs ...
1: always used garrus and edi as they both became available, never used Javik.
Persons leaving Normandy: Control - Joker, EDI, LI; Synthesis - Joker, EDI, LI; Destroy - Joker, LI, Javik

2: always used garrus since he became available and Liara, never used Javik, EDI only at Cronos Station
Persons leaving Normandy: Control - Joker, EDI, Li; Synthesis - Joker, EDI, Li; Destroy - Joker, Li, Javik

So does EDI survive the destroy ending? Possible, it is stated a lot of times EDI is based on reaper tech, not made with reaper tech. But I still never see her leaving the Normandy, so until I see a video, Im not going to believe it and it remains "lots of speculations".

[Tony208]

Remember that talk with EDI during Priority: Earth? Or the one with Legion?

Yeah I can't see myself choosing destroy after that.

[Clayless]

jbadm04 wrote...

2 playthrougs ...
1: always used garrus and edi as they both became available, never used Javik.
Persons leaving Normandy: Control - Joker, EDI, LI; Synthesis - Joker, EDI, LI; Destroy - Joker, LI, Javik

2: always used garrus since he became available and Liara, never used Javik, EDI only at Cronos Station
Persons leaving Normandy: Control - Joker, EDI, Li; Synthesis - Joker, EDI, Li; Destroy - Joker, Li, Javik

So does EDI survive the destroy ending? Possible, it is stated a lot of times EDI is based on reaper tech, not made with reaper tech. But I still never see her leaving the Normandy, so until I see a video, Im not going to believe it and it remains "lots of speculations".

By the looks of it this was a rumour stirred up by some people who were upset with the endings, EDI can't survive destroy as we've all discovered.

[Omega Torsk]

So far, I've only ever picked destroy and I have yet to see EDI. I can only assume she died with the Geth.

All I see is Joker standing next to my LI (seriously, bro. Ash is not for you. Stay away or so help me, I'll have my Shepard find whatever plot hole the Normandy got sucked in to and break your legs).

[Brian.V3]

The reason why this rumor is said to be is due to Shepard "living" at the end.

Catalyst clearly stated that Shepard would potentially die since they are partly synthetic.

As for word from BioWare when this was brought up. I believed the tweet or whatever it was pointed out how can we believe everything the catalyst says and take it at face value.

Given how there is no sign of a deactivated Geth or EDI scene. There is nothing but speculation...

But no there is no destroy ending that shows EDI walking out of the Normandy (But are we to presume only two squad mates and Joker lived?)