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[txmn1016]

Gexora wrote...

enormousmoonboots wrote...

I think there's a priority listing; I've heard of people who never used Javik having him walk out. I'd guess the best odds of getting her to appear are not having Javik, killing/leaving behind the Virmire Survivor, and not having a romance. Eliminate variables for best results.

There is a bug with Javik which basically sets his relationship flag at highest possible value as soon as you tell him hello

I've recruited Javik and not had him walk out.  But I think it had to do with the fact that I didn't recruit him until after the Citadel coup.

Edit: Still talked to him at virtually every opportunity too.  I had Kaidan (LI) and Garrus walk out.

Modifié par txmn1016, 19 avril 2012 - 08:59 .

[zambingo]

Alent wrote...

zambingo wrote...

I am always amazed at how hard people work to be miserable.

This is simple:

Side A says, "EDI CAN SURVIVE! and possibly other things by extension."
Side B says, "Prove it!"
Side A says, "We can't."
Side B says, "WIN!"
Side A says, "Prove it."
Side B says, "We can't."

The only valid conclusion is that with a high EMS there are possibilities.

You don't really understand the concept of a debate do you?  If side A presents a claim, it is side A's responsibility to back that claim up with facts, not the other side.  If side A said the the Moon was made out of cheese it doesn't become side B's job to find Moon rocks and documented eye witness accounts on the composition of the Moon.

I understand debate just fine.

[TJX2045]

zambingo wrote...

Alent wrote...

zambingo wrote...

I am always amazed at how hard people work to be miserable.

This is simple:

Side A says, "EDI CAN SURVIVE! and possibly other things by extension."
Side B says, "Prove it!"
Side A says, "We can't."
Side B says, "WIN!"
Side A says, "Prove it."
Side B says, "We can't."

The only valid conclusion is that with a high EMS there are possibilities.

You don't really understand the concept of a debate do you?  If side A presents a claim, it is side A's responsibility to back that claim up with facts, not the other side.  If side A said the the Moon was made out of cheese it doesn't become side B's job to find Moon rocks and documented eye witness accounts on the composition of the Moon.

I understand debate just fine.

I agree with zambingo for the simple fact that since we have no other scenes outside of that, you have to assume that Starchild IS NOT LYING TO YOU.  I mean really, why would the creator of the Reapers who is also at the mercy of the Crucible just let you destroy them without lying and saying some of the other people you care about will die too?

That's like saying, "Hey, look, you broke into my house.  Now you can kill me if you want."

Would you say that?

You'd probably bargain or make up stuff so you wouldn't die.

But anyways, lots of speculation for all! 

[Clayless]

TJX2045 wrote...
But anyways, lots of speculation for all! 

Technically lots of facts for all is this thread. You can believe EDI survives if you want, but there's no proof of her survivng like people claimed, so she dies in the destroy ending.

Speculation isn't what we're here for.

[Mbednar]

The real answer is that Bioware writers are probably sitting in meetings having this same conversation. Until the extended cut is released, nothing is certain.

Bioware can say, "Oh yeah the Catalyst was lying. LOL"

or they can say,

"There has to be some amount of sacrifice in the Destroy ending, otherwise there is no point in choosing the others."

Odds are they will go with whatever THEY BELIEVE will please the most amount of people. I think the best choice would be to have both but have EMS determine whether certain things live or die.

[Alent]

zambingo wrote...

Alent wrote...

zambingo wrote...

I am always amazed at how hard people work to be miserable.

This is simple:

Side A says, "EDI CAN SURVIVE! and possibly other things by extension."
Side B says, "Prove it!"
Side A says, "We can't."
Side B says, "WIN!"
Side A says, "Prove it."
Side B says, "We can't."

The only valid conclusion is that with a high EMS there are possibilities.

You don't really understand the concept of a debate do you?  If side A presents a claim, it is side A's responsibility to back that claim up with facts, not the other side.  If side A said the the Moon was made out of cheese it doesn't become side B's job to find Moon rocks and documented eye witness accounts on the composition of the Moon.

I understand debate just fine.

I may have come off as a little confrontational in my post, my apologies.  I simply meant to point out that the burden of proof is on the party making the claim, not on the skeptic.  If the party making a claim cannot provide proof, then the skeptical party has no choice but to continue on as if the claim is false.  I hope I did not offend you with the harsh tone, I apologize if I did.

[zambingo]

No problems, Alent.

I totally get what you and Our Last is saying, I totally get that in a debate etc. etc. Plus also Our Last and many of you on "Side B" aren't necessarily bagging on the "I Can Survive!"[/sings] idea, just that you want to know if it actually is possible.

However what I was saying is it's looking increasingly likely that neither side can prove themselves correct. Therefore it is illogical to insist that since it can't or hasn't be proven that it isn't possible. The only logical conclusion is that there are possibilities. EDI might die, EDI might survive, We (as a consensus) don't know for sure.

The only things we do know are: Starchild tells Shepard synthetics will die and implies Shepard would as well. With high EMS it is shown at the end that the sythny-borgy implant having Shepard is alive.

The Breathe Scene is more than just, "HEY SHEP LIVES?!" It's symbolic of Hope. Of possibilities.

Modifié par zambingo, 20 avril 2012 - 04:22 .

[zambingo]

Mbednar wrote...

The real answer is that Bioware writers are probably sitting in meetings having this same conversation. Until the extended cut is released, nothing is certain.

Bioware can say, "Oh yeah the Catalyst was lying. LOL"

or they can say,

"There has to be some amount of sacrifice in the Destroy ending, otherwise there is no point in choosing the others."

Odds are they will go with whatever THEY BELIEVE will please the most amount of people. I think the best choice would be to have both but have EMS determine whether certain things live or die.

Well said.

Also, re: bolded text, I believe that is what is in the game right now.

[Clayless]

zambingo wrote...

However what I was saying is it's looking increasingly likely that neither side can prove themselves correct. Therefore it is illogical to insist that since it can't or hasn't be proven that it isn't possible. The only logical conclusion is that there are possibilities. EDI might die, EDI might survive, We (as a consensus) don't know for sure.

Actually no, she dies 100% of the time.

[zambingo]

I'm starting to believe you are a troll, Our Last.

There is no proof to support your claim or the opposite. The only logical conclusion is both are possibilities. To continue to insist otherwise is asinine.

Now I get you, that you want proof. That's great. But to insist the opposite when you can't prove that is teh dumb. Same said for the other side.

[BiO]

I believe the squadmates you took with you on the final mission appear out of the Normandy in the ending. So if you bring EDI and your EMS is high enough...

[Clayless]

zambingo wrote...

I'm starting to believe you are a troll, Our Last.

There is no proof to support your claim or the opposite. The only logical conclusion is both are possibilities. To continue to insist otherwise is asinine.

Now I get you, that you want proof. That's great. But to insist the opposite when you can't prove that is teh dumb. Same said for the other side.

I can give you a lot of proof of her not surviving.

[zambingo]

No you can't.

You have the statement of a villain trying to dissuade the hero from destroying him.

There are no cinematics that show Geth or EDI's destruction in the Destroy ending regardless of EMS.

There are cinematics of various sweeping destruction if your EMS is low, but those moments of devastation don't happen if your EMS is high.

[Clayless]

zambingo wrote...

No you can't.

You have the statement of a villain trying to dissuade the hero from destroying him.

There are no cinematics that show Geth or EDI's destruction in the Destroy ending regardless of EMS.

There are cinematics of various sweeping destruction if your EMS is low, but those moments of devastation don't happen if your EMS is high.

You're in the wrong thread. This thread is for people who said that EDI steps out of the Normandy in the "destroy all synthetic life" ending.

She doesn't, she's dead.

[zambingo]

Alright, I get it. You're just a troll. Only a troll would continue in such a way.

[Kairi Hawke]

just finished 5th playthrough of mass effect 3 and in two of them edi survived destroy ending and so you know all five times i did destroy. Unless its a bug or something she did survive atleast for me. the other three times different squad members came out of the normandy, only one i didnt see was vega. i dont really care if you want to call me a liar but she survived for me and like i said might be a bug anyway im done with mass effect 3 for now, 5 times is enough and now onto the witcher 2.

[txmn1016]

Kairi Hawke wrote...

just finished 5th playthrough of mass effect 3 and in two of them edi survived destroy ending and so you know all five times i did destroy. Unless its a bug or something she did survive atleast for me. the other three times different squad members came out of the normandy, only one i didnt see was vega. i dont really care if you want to call me a liar but she survived for me and like i said might be a bug anyway im done with mass effect 3 for now, 5 times is enough and now onto the witcher 2.

Can I ask if you did anything in particular to encourage this? Did you take her on the final push? Talk exclusively to her?  I'm going to try and make this happen on my current playthrough so any feedback would help

[Clayless]

Kairi Hawke wrote...

just finished 5th playthrough of mass effect 3 and in two of them edi survived destroy ending and so you know all five times i did destroy. Unless its a bug or something she did survive atleast for me. the other three times different squad members came out of the normandy, only one i didnt see was vega. i dont really care if you want to call me a liar but she survived for me and like i said might be a bug anyway im done with mass effect 3 for now, 5 times is enough and now onto the witcher 2.

Do you have any proof?

[txmn1016]

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

Kairi Hawke wrote...

just finished 5th playthrough of mass effect 3 and in two of them edi survived destroy ending and so you know all five times i did destroy. Unless its a bug or something she did survive atleast for me. the other three times different squad members came out of the normandy, only one i didnt see was vega. i dont really care if you want to call me a liar but she survived for me and like i said might be a bug anyway im done with mass effect 3 for now, 5 times is enough and now onto the witcher 2.

Do you have any proof?

If I get this to happen I will be happy to record it with my camera and post it

[Clayless]

txmn1016 wrote...

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

Kairi Hawke wrote...

just finished 5th playthrough of mass effect 3 and in two of them edi survived destroy ending and so you know all five times i did destroy. Unless its a bug or something she did survive atleast for me. the other three times different squad members came out of the normandy, only one i didnt see was vega. i dont really care if you want to call me a liar but she survived for me and like i said might be a bug anyway im done with mass effect 3 for now, 5 times is enough and now onto the witcher 2.

Do you have any proof?

If I get this to happen I will be happy to record it with my camera and post it

Thank you. Do you mind recording from when Shepard picks the destroy ending?

If you get it to work then I'll update the thread and give you full credit.

[txmn1016]

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

txmn1016 wrote...

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

Kairi Hawke wrote...

just finished 5th playthrough of mass effect 3 and in two of them edi survived destroy ending and so you know all five times i did destroy. Unless its a bug or something she did survive atleast for me. the other three times different squad members came out of the normandy, only one i didnt see was vega. i dont really care if you want to call me a liar but she survived for me and like i said might be a bug anyway im done with mass effect 3 for now, 5 times is enough and now onto the witcher 2.

Do you have any proof?

If I get this to happen I will be happy to record it with my camera and post it

Thank you. Do you mind recording from when Shepard picks the destroy ending?

If you get it to work then I'll update the thread and give you full credit.

Yeah sure.  If I get it to work, it will probably be better than someone who recorded it with their PC because it would be near impossible to doctor it in any way.  But I'm still hoping that these people who are claiming it happened to them will tell me what kind of decisions they made that would encourage such an outcome.  

[Clayless]

txmn1016 wrote...

Yeah sure.  If I get it to work, it will probably be better than someone who recorded it with their PC because it would be near impossible to doctor it in any way.  But I'm still hoping that these people who are claiming it happened to them will tell me what kind of decisions they made that would encourage such an outcome.  

They're always suspiciously sparse on the details.

If you can't get it to work then that means EDI survives you're just doing it wrong apparently.

[txmn1016]

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

txmn1016 wrote...

Yeah sure.  If I get it to work, it will probably be better than someone who recorded it with their PC because it would be near impossible to doctor it in any way.  But I'm still hoping that these people who are claiming it happened to them will tell me what kind of decisions they made that would encourage such an outcome.  

They're always suspiciously sparse on the details.

If you can't get it to work then that means EDI survives you're just doing it wrong apparently.

Well, it's hard to say that it can never happen when it seems like even some of the devs are unsure about it (seriously eff twitter--it's ruining gaming with all the different opinions of devs out in the open).  Makes me think that if it can happen, it was probably a design oversight that they're now using to uh..I don't know...make people feel better about the crap endings I guess.  Give people a tiny bit of hope to cling to--even if it was completely by accident.  But I guess it could almost make sense since Shepard is partly synthetic and can live in the end.   That is admittedly though, a very weak argument as to why she would survive.

[Clayless]

txmn1016 wrote...

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

txmn1016 wrote...

Yeah sure.  If I get it to work, it will probably be better than someone who recorded it with their PC because it would be near impossible to doctor it in any way.  But I'm still hoping that these people who are claiming it happened to them will tell me what kind of decisions they made that would encourage such an outcome.  

They're always suspiciously sparse on the details.

If you can't get it to work then that means EDI survives you're just doing it wrong apparently.

Well, it's hard to say that it can never happen when it seems like even some of the devs are unsure about it (seriously eff twitter--it's ruining gaming with all the different opinions of devs out in the open).  Makes me think that if it can happen, it was probably a design oversight that they're now using to uh..I don't know...make people feel better about the crap endings I guess.  Give people a tiny bit of hope to cling to--even if it was completely by accident.  But I guess it could almost make sense since Shepard is partly synthetic and can live in the end.   That is admittedly though, a very weak argument as to why she would survive.

The only twitter comment people can drag up is the Merizan one, but it's just her theorising she admits. By the looks of it you'd be hard pressed to think she's even played the game.

[Kairi Hawke]

nope didnt record it and like i said im not playing it for awhile im taking a well deserved break and for the times when edi survived the first time i took her everytime on missions and talked with her at every oppertunity and the second time same with the talking part but took on less missions but for both times took her on final push and if it helps i had dlc from ashes installed and have always done it when i played. might help might not but i played full paragon.