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[Clayless]

Laurencio wrote...

At the very start of the game?

"Communication Officer Trayner has been very helpful in running and maintaining the Normandy's system commander, I would like her to stay"
*something about trayner thinking she's a VI, how joker fooled her and how her being an AI was obvious*
"I'm sorry for telling you that you had a very.... nice voice.. *blush*"

I think she uses something even more obvious than that, like "sexy" or "hot", can't remember.

[Iriguss]

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

zambingo wrote...

No you can't.

You have the statement of a villain trying to dissuade the hero from destroying him.

There are no cinematics that show Geth or EDI's destruction in the Destroy ending regardless of EMS.

There are cinematics of various sweeping destruction if your EMS is low, but those moments of devastation don't happen if your EMS is high.

You're in the wrong thread. This thread is for people who said that EDI steps out of the Normandy in the "destroy all synthetic life" ending.

She doesn't, she's dead.

(Really hoping this doesn't come off as rude as it really isn't intended to be)

Okay, so you're saying this thread is for people who claim Edi lives right to prove their claim, correct? That you don't need to prove your point as you're not making the claim you're challenging it correct? I can follow that until you realize you've made 2 claims in the OP and in the thread title...

EDI CAN'T survive the Destroy ending

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

I've come to the realisation that she can't actually survive it
No don't believe the rumours, she can't survive

Right there, now someone challenges your claims that the ending can exist and you should prove it never happens and add this with the fact you made a thread making a definitive statement as its title which you are taking as fact. You have provided no evidence your statement is true so why should your opposition bother trying to prove you wrong?
This isn’t a metaphysical debate like “Is God real” this is a line of code. It’s a variable that CAN be verified, and if it’s false it needs to be proven false before you start making statements based on it. If not then expect people to ask you to prove your proof before they take it as sacrosanct. If you’re not willing to verify your proof in that instance than your argument isn’t worth debating with as you’re taking your own assumptions as fact.

If the thread was titled "provide proof Edi lives in the destruction ending" or "of those that claim Edi lives prove it " then I wouldn’t mind this at all, but fact is the Title is Cleary an unverified STATEMENT of which you won’t prove as true. You’re making the claim it isn’t true so expect people to ask YOU to provide proof not them.
In all fairness I haven’t seen proof of Edi living either, but I’ll take the unofficial interview with Pat that he actually responded to on twitter as some evidence that; yes, yes this can happen in some instances. Otherwise why would he answer that question with anything but “she can’t.” Still would love to see the video putting an end to this debate once and for all.

Tl;dr:     If you’re going to make a thread named “EDI CAN'T survive the Destroy ending” then be able to provide HARD evidence that statement is true.

[DJBare]

If I am right in my thinking, then it's a bug, only a with a femshep will you see EDI exiting the Normandy after destroy, it may well be tied up in the relationship between femshep and Traynor just as Gabby and Daniels relationship is tied up with Ashley romance.

[txmn1016]

DJBare wrote...

If I am right in my thinking, then it's a bug, only a with a femshep will you see EDI exiting the Normandy after destroy, it may well be tied up in the relationship between femshep and Traynor just as Gabby and Daniels relationship is tied up with Ashley romance.

I'm pretty sure you're right that it's just a bug.  It seems like everyone who has encountered it though has mentioned taking EDI with them in the final push though.  I'm not sure why that would make a difference, but I'm going to try it out on my current playthrough and see.

[RiouHotaru]

SolidisusSnake1 wrote...

hunterdan1992 wrote...

They are backtracking on that one. Apparently EDI has one heck of a surge protector

Yeah and apparently the Citadel didnt explode...

Actually, they didn't say the Citadel didn't explode, what they said is that the Citadel isn't completely ruined.  In fact, it's possible for people to still be alive on it.  If I recall if Weekes interview.  Even in the event of something like the ending, there are safety precautions in place.

[txmn1016]

RiouHotaru wrote...

SolidisusSnake1 wrote...

hunterdan1992 wrote...

They are backtracking on that one. Apparently EDI has one heck of a surge protector

Yeah and apparently the Citadel didnt explode...

Actually, they didn't say the Citadel didn't explode, what they said is that the Citadel isn't completely ruined.  In fact, it's possible for people to still be alive on it.  If I recall if Weekes interview.  Even in the event of something like the ending, there are safety precautions in place.

You know, I really don't get how it would be ok.  I'm not trying to have a go or anything, but wouldn't some of the Citadel wreckage fall into the earth's atmosphere?  In which case, what would save the people trapped?  I don't know.  I'm just not sure how that situation wouldn't result in most people dying.

[Reikilea]

I hope she wont survive. I mean why would I like her to survive. One big boring cliche of a character storyline. Had a problem not to shoot her platform myself. Actually, I did try actually.

I am definitely willing to sacrifice EDI for the sake of humanity and all alien species. In my world she should have stayed inside the ship.

And its logical for EDI to be destroyed with the Reapers. Edi is enhanced with reaper tech. So when you destroy the reapers, you destroy everything that is reaper upgraded. Geth too. There is a logic in that. Same with Normandy magical beam (the ship had reaper core, remember?).

[txmn1016]

Reikilea wrote...

I hope she wont survive. I mean why would I like her to survive. One big boring cliche of a character storyline. Had a problem not to shoot her platform myself. Actually, I did try actually.

I am definitely willing to sacrifice EDI for the sake of humanity and all alien species. In my world she should have stayed inside the ship.

And its logical for EDI to be destroyed with the Reapers. Edi is enhanced with reaper tech. So when you destroy the reapers, you destroy everything that is reaper upgraded. Geth too. There is a logic in that. Same with Normandy magical beam (the ship had reaper core, remember?).

Do you mean the IFF? 

[RiouHotaru]

txmn1016 wrote...

You know, I really don't get how it would be ok.  I'm not trying to have a go or anything, but wouldn't some of the Citadel wreckage fall into the earth's atmosphere?  In which case, what would save the people trapped?  I don't know.  I'm just not sure how that situation wouldn't result in most people dying.

For starters, it's obviously not in danger of falling into atmosphere.  If it was that low, the Citadel would've been dragged into the atmosphere long beforehand.  The visual representation doesn't tell us the distance the Citadel is from Earth.

Also, there are the ships still in Orbit.  Or ships on the ground.

[Pandora]

Ya I pretty sure she's a smoldering piece of adamantium or the left over of my motherboard. I wished you and Joker made a game show on Earth.

[Reikilea]

txmn1016 wrote...

Reikilea wrote...

I hope she wont survive. I mean why would I like her to survive. One big boring cliche of a character storyline. Had a problem not to shoot her platform myself. Actually, I did try actually.

I am definitely willing to sacrifice EDI for the sake of humanity and all alien species. In my world she should have stayed inside the ship.

And its logical for EDI to be destroyed with the Reapers. Edi is enhanced with reaper tech. So when you destroy the reapers, you destroy everything that is reaper upgraded. Geth too. There is a logic in that. Same with Normandy magical beam (the ship had reaper core, remember?).

Do you mean the IFF? 

I think at the beginning of ME2 someone mentioned that Normandy was reconstructed using reaper tech. A also IFF now you mention that. Same for EDI, because EDI is technically the ship. And also reaper technology was used in creation. I think Patrick Weekes confirmed it in interview - that EDI has something from reapers inside.

So bye bye EDI. I miss your blue form.

[Clayless]

Iriguss wrote...

Right there, now someone challenges your claims that the ending can exist and you should prove it never happens and add this with the fact you made a thread making a definitive statement as its title which you are taking as fact. You have provided no evidence your statement is true so why should your opposition bother trying to prove you wrong?
This isn’t a metaphysical debate like “Is God real” this is a line of code. It’s a variable that CAN be verified, and if it’s false it needs to be proven false before you start making statements based on it. If not then expect people to ask you to prove your proof before they take it as sacrosanct. If you’re not willing to verify your proof in that instance than your argument isn’t worth debating with as you’re taking your own assumptions as fact.

If the thread was titled "provide proof Edi lives in the destruction ending" or "of those that claim Edi lives prove it " then I wouldn’t mind this at all, but fact is the Title is Cleary an unverified STATEMENT of which you won’t prove as true. You’re making the claim it isn’t true so expect people to ask YOU to provide proof not them.
In all fairness I haven’t seen proof of Edi living either, but I’ll take the unofficial interview with Pat that he actually responded to on twitter as some evidence that; yes, yes this can happen in some instances. Otherwise why would he answer that question with anything but “she can’t.” Still would love to see the video putting an end to this debate once and for all.

Tl;dr:     If you’re going to make a thread named “EDI CAN'T survive the Destroy ending” then be able to provide HARD evidence that statement is true.

Indeed it can be verified. I can present you with a lot of proof of her not surviving, I can link you to tons of destroy ending videos and she wont walk out the Normandy like claimed.

Now, you could say this doesn't prove she dies and she might walk out but lack of proof of her not surviving is not proof of her surviving. Until you can show actual evidence of her surviving the "destroy all synthetic life" ending, she dies.

As for the interview, if you read the first 5(?) pages you'll see that Patrick never said anything on the subject, apart from the developers argued about whether or not she should survive and then he proceeds to say what argument he made (she should die) then crucially the end of that sentence is left out. It's reasonable to assume the rest of the sentence was him proceeding to say the arguments of the people that wanted her to survive made, then eventually all of them settling on her not surviving, therefore she dies in the destroy all synthetic life ending.

That's an assumption, but it's an assumption that at least has evidence to back it up, unlike the assumption that that sentence ended with them agreeing she should survive the destroy all synthetic life ending, which has no evidence to back it up, not even Patricks half-quote from that thread.

[Elyiia]

EDI cannot live, unless someone can prove otherwise. I've stacked the odds in her favour with our 7k EMS and she didn't live once out of 10 trials.

[Shallyah]

EDI survives the same way as the data on the hard drive of any computer in the Galaxy. It's not like the Red explossion formats all the data across the Universe, it only destroys synthetic lifeforms. EDI is software. If anything, Destroy would disable Eva's body which EDI is using. Doesn't stop anyone from creating another body for her afterwards, even possibly a replica, if that's what she wished.

It's an ephimeral survival anyway. In all endings EDI will end up dying when the stranded Normandy runs out of power. So those who like to feel better about choosing Control because it would save EDI - too bad.

Modifié par Shallyah, 21 avril 2012 - 12:21 .

[Fenrisfil]

It'd be nice to think that the Starchild was just talking bull to try and put you off choosing the destroy option. But that would only make Bioware look sillier as it would essentially eliminate the "choices" at the end.

[Elyiia]

Shallyah wrote...

EDI survives the same way as the data on the hard drive of any computer in the Galaxy. It's not like the Red explossion formats all the data across the Universe, it only destroys synthetic lifeforms. EDI is software. If anything, Destroy would disable Eva's body which EDI is using. Doesn't stop anyone from creating another body for her afterwards, even possibly a replica, if that's what she wished.

It's an ephimeral survival anyway. In all endings EDI will end up dying when the stranded Normandy runs out of power. So those who like to feel better about choosing Control because it would save EDI - too bad.

EDI's mobile platform and her "base" platform would have been destroyed. With nowhere to go, EDI would have died.

[Iriguss]

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

Iriguss wrote...
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Indeed it can be verified. I can present you with a lot of proof of her not surviving, I can link you to tons of destroy ending videos and she wont walk out the Normandy like claimed.

Now, you could say this doesn't prove she dies and she might walk out but lack of proof of her not surviving is not proof of her surviving. Until you can show actual evidence of her surviving the "destroy all synthetic life" ending, she dies.

As for the interview, if you read the first 5(?) pages you'll see that Patrick never said anything on the subject, apart from the developers argued about whether or not she should survive and then he proceeds to say what argument he made (she should die) then crucially the end of that sentence is left out. It's reasonable to assume the rest of the sentence was him proceeding to say the arguments of the people that wanted her to survive made, then eventually all of them settling on her not surviving, therefore she dies in the destroy all synthetic life ending.

That's an assumption, but it's an assumption that at least has evidence to back it up, unlike the assumption that that sentence ended with them agreeing she should survive the destroy all synthetic life ending, which has no evidence to back it up, not even Patricks half-quote from that thread.

See here's the thing, you missed my
whole point here. YOU made the statement of this thread in the
very first post, thus people asking you to prove YOUR statement
and that should be a completely valid request.  Going into "well
circumstantial proof doesn't prove it right" isn't really
proving it wrong either as you did point out, thank you for not being
block-headed, however, this is not an unknowable answer where simply
finding some supporting videos will fly as satisfactory. If you want
to prove this wrong once and for all find the variable and the code
which excludes Edi 100% of the time from the destroy ending otherwise
your argument is about as valid as the other in the end.

Again,
videos of her not coming out doesn't prove your point in any way only
the cold hard code will. (esp. considering anyone could easily doctor
a video of Edi living with no damn trouble so it still wouldn't prove
anything. Hell I edit videos for a living its just replacing the last
scene with one from the control ending) If you're going to make a
statement like that please, all I think your argument needs is the
code that states NO this can't happen and be done with it. Until
that is produced neither side can really verify its claim so the
argument is going to go in circles.

I should state that
the only reason I believe it to be the case is an off hand
interview with a writer. In all honesty though, until I see it please
believe I take the whole thing with a grain of salt as well. That's
why I'd like someone to see the code (not impossible; just out of my
technical know how). So please don't take me as someone standing up
as someone literally rallying behind the Edi lives without
questioning it at all



Again, it would also seem that this
could literally be just a fricken bug that some people have had...
because you know this game is perfect otherwise with no bugs anywhere
else... (looking at you invisible Rannoch rock)



tl;dr : I'm just asking for proof one
way or the other and if you really believe it isn't true go find the
code and variables that prove it instead of asking other people to do
the work for you. (again not meant to be rude but text doesn't really
convey my delivery)

[Mev186]

Starkid says: "You can destroy all synthetic life if you want.." 

In other words: 

[Clayless]

Iriguss wrote...

-Poem style writing snip-

No, as lack of proof of her surviving is not proof of her surviving.

She dies, this is 100% certain. If you disagree, prove it, don't tell me to prove your claim. You know the proof I'll present (tons of videos) and if you don't think it's enough then prove me wrong.

Modifié par Our_Last_Scene, 21 avril 2012 - 11:25 .

[wolfstanus]

GLR-0053 wrote...

I thought Star Child already mentioned that "All synthetic life including the Geth." So there you have it and EDI is technically Synthetic so yeah can't have an omelet without breaking a few eggs.

Star child lied... I lived.

[esideras]

She survives, I'd get you proof but I'm not touching that PoS ever again.

[KingNothing125]

esideras wrote...

She survives, I'd get you proof but I'm not touching that PoS ever again.

Hey look, it's every "EDI can survive" comment ever.

Step 1: Claim she can survive
Step 2: Offer no proof of claim

[BlackAlpha]

wolfstanus wrote...

GLR-0053 wrote...

I thought Star Child already mentioned that "All synthetic life including the Geth." So there you have it and EDI is technically Synthetic so yeah can't have an omelet without breaking a few eggs.

Star child lied... I lived.

During the second, and especially during the third game, we are told multiple times that Shepard has a normal human brain. So, Shepard isn't really synthetic. He's not like the Geth or EDI. He's more like a human cyborg. Think Adam Jensen from Deus Ex.

As for the topic. I've looked through many videos on Youtube, but I haven't been able to find a video of EDI leaving the Normandy during the red ending, even with an insanely high EMS.

I heard quite a few people say she can survive, but usually they state their source is hearsay. The few people who do claim to have seen it themselves cannot offer any proof. Not even a simple screenshot.

So I don't think EDI can survive the red ending. 

Modifié par BlackAlpha, 22 avril 2012 - 12:14 .

[CavScout]

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

[BlackAlpha]

CavScout wrote...

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

Well, right now we can only go by what we are told ingame. And ingame we are told all synthetic lifeforms will die during the red ending. So that's why everybody thinks EDI cannot survive.

But if we assume that EDI can survive, then the Geth can survive, and possibly the Reapers as well.

Modifié par BlackAlpha, 22 avril 2012 - 12:12 .